Doyle...

[Bulletnut]

You are far too kind to him..he is a rather snide dirty player and not that good either..today was utter stupidity,lack of professionalism...captain????

But why are you so excited about it? You sound like you're frothing at the mouth for Gods sake. A rash moment by a not very good player is just that. FFS, he didn't go on a killing spree, it really isn't that big a deal and as stated above, it may work to our benefit in the long term...

 

[Slugger]

I'm not backing him I'm pointing out this witch hunt would have been very different had someone else being the perpetrator.

I find it all a bit embarrassing when our fans react in this way against one of our own players.

Correct. I for one would have felt differently if for instance one of the younger players got caught up in the occasion and did what Doyle did (still annoyed with them but not to the same extent).

He's the captain ffs. He's a seasoned professional with an international cap. To say he should know better is an understatement. It remains to be seen if he does the right thing and shows the character to publicly apologise to the fans and his team mates.

 

[LSF]

blessing in disguise. played better without out him.. what a shock
i'm waiting to hear LJF's excuses

LSF I think you mean, no doubt LJF thinks Doyle's awreight.
I'll get the first obvious out of the way, Doyle was a total arsehole in his stupid behaviour today and his immature action probably cost us a place on the 5th round outright. Happy with that? I couldn't say owt else could I as it was plainly obvious he behaved daft.
The second obvious is the witch hunt, with all the usual suspects enjoying Doyle's misdemeanour better than the brilliant fighting display and dawn of Clough's new model army. It fucks me off how people just love the public flogging of an individual when they transgress, pathetic....
Quite why we don't nail Doyle to the cross on Bramall Lane and for good measure let Porter play the role of Barabbas on the cross next door. I'm sure the mob would love that!

 

[CarlingBlade]

Correct. I for one would have felt differently if for instance one of the younger players got caught up in the occasion and did what Doyle did (still annoyed with them but not to the same extent).

He's the captain ffs. He's a seasoned professional with an international cap. To say he should know better is an understatement. It remains to be seen if he does the right thing and shows the character to publicly apologise to the fans and his team mates.

I'm sure he's already apologised to his team mates and I'm sure he knows he's let himself and the fans down, hey ho, players get sent off.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

I'm sure he's already apologised to his team mates and I'm sure he knows he's let himself and the fans down, hey ho, players get sent off.

The journalist Alan Biggs, who has no axe to grind re: Doyle, tweeted that Doyle said to media that he didn't kick out and that he didn't deserve the red card. That doesn't sound like a player willing to accept responsibility and apologise. Seems like he told that to Clough too, given Clough's 'we know some premier league players will tend to exaggerate certain challenges' comment when asked about the incident (which he was yet to see when he said that).

 

[Bulletnut]

LSF I think you mean, no doubt LJF thinks Doyle's awreight.
I'll get the first obvious out of the way, Doyle was a total arsehole in his stupid behaviour today and his immature action probably cost us a place on the 5th round outright. Happy with that? I couldn't say owt else could I as it was plainly obvious he behaved daft.
The second obvious is the witch hunt, with all the usual suspects enjoying Doyle's misdemeanour better than the brilliant fighting display and dawn of Clough's new model army. It fucks me off how people just love the public flogging of an individual when they transgress, pathetic....
Quite why we don't nail Doyle to the cross on Bramall Lane and for good measure let Porter play the role of Barabbas on the cross next door. I'm sure the mob would love that!

Now I'm far from a Clapper, and certainly not the eternal Happy Chappy. I moan and groan as much as anybody but I agree wholeheartedly with the above. Hard working performance today against a squad of Premier League players and a big well done to the Blades. The fact that we're on page 5 of a witch hunt already is a poor reflection of who and what we are. We're Blades, we do things the hard way, we had a man sent off and still didn't cave in so rather than spend all your collective energy on slagging one bloke off why not talk about the positives? There were plenty out there FFS.

 

[CarlingBlade]

The journalist Alan Biggs, who has no axe to grind re: Doyle, tweeted that Doyle said to media that he didn't kick out and that he didn't deserve the red card. That doesn't sound like a player willing to accept responsibility and apologise. Seems like he told that to Clough too, given Clough's 'we know some premier league players will tend to exaggerate certain challenges' comment when asked about the incident (which he was yet to see when he said that).

I was at the match but like most in the ground missed the incident, I haven't seen any replays yet but Doyle knows what he did or didn't do. If he's telling the manager lies then he'll rightly face the wrath of the manager.

 

[Houso]

If this were the only thread in the board after the performance I could understand. There are shitloads of other posts elsewhere full of praise and optimism.

The fact of the matter is that doyle's idiocy was the turning point today and the difference between a win and a draw.

I don't want him booed and I don't need him to be publicly castigated by the boss. I want him to be judged by the same standards as other players.

You play poorly consistently - you lose your place.
You get sent off for petulance - you have to work doubly hard to get back in.
You show no responsibility in your role as captain over and over and over a-fucking-gain - you lose the armband it should be an honour to wear.

 

[stannyblade]

I was at the match but like most in the ground missed the incident, I haven't seen any replays yet but Doyle knows what he did or didn't do. If he's telling the manager lies then he'll rightly face the wrath of the manager.

If Doyle was innocent then he took his punishment far too easy. Never argued which isn't like him. He knew what he had done. As for a witch hunt a lot on here have been saying for ages that he isn't good enough.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Now I'm not Doyles biggest fan but his witchhunt is a bi riiculous, both here and Blades mad are totally slating the fella.

He's been wound up and reacted, simple as, he has been given a straight red (for the firt time in his career I understand), likening him to Brandys behaviour (that of a petulant child) earlier in he season couldn't be further from the mark and a situation which deserves a different punishment. Some are even calling for Clough to dish out a similar punishment and calling the manager to account if Doyle (gets away with it).

A couple of points;

1. Please don't call clough's ability as a manager into question, it's simply an embarrassment to the club and those who appointed Clough.

2. Doyle has quite a distinguted career and deserves to be treated as an experienced pro rather than an up and coming nobody with a attitude problem.

If it is a witch hunt, it's roots go back some way.

Like yourself, I judge a player on his week by week performance. Forgive my memory, but since Doyle was appointed captain of United he's been at best ok to ordinary in the level of performance he's turned in. For this sort of average to happen of course there have been a few games where he's risen above his own ordinary standards. Most importantly, he's captained this side on a downward curve, so no signs of an upswing in United's fortunes with Doyle at the helm, just a steady decline and each home game thousands of fans paying out their hard earned cash to watch this decline. Don't misunderstand, I'm not blaming Doyle for this single-handedly, but we're not stupid as fans, and I can't see the influence this man is meant to impart that is supposed to lift this side more regularly than it has done.

What was witnessed today was a man, who's meant to act more responsibly than anyone else, act like a thug and, due to his dismissal, weaken the side through his actions. Again, don't get me wrong, having someone who bites in a side can be no bad thing, but Doyle didn't bite, he behaved as if the red mist had descended, and in front of the cameras and thousands of people who couldn't excuse his behaviour. Doyle's not smart enough to know when and where to retaliate, so we all saw a man whose actions deprived us at a time when we most needed him.

One thing I do agree with you, to point a finger at Clough would be the height of foolishness. Whatever punishment Clough hands down to Doyle it will be done with consideration and without a knee-jerk reaction. Isn't that what Clough is paid to do? UTB

 

[LSF]

If it is a witch hunt, it's roots go back some way.

Like yourself, I judge a player on his week by week performance. Forgive my memory, but since Doyle was appointed captain of United he's been at best ok to ordinary in the level of performance he's turned in. For this sort of average to happen of course there have been a few games where he's risen above his own ordinary standards. Most importantly, he's captained this side on a downward curve, so no signs of an upswing in United's fortunes with Doyle at the helm, just a steady decline and each home game thousands of fans paying out their hard earned cash to see watch this decline. Don't misunderstand, I'm not blaming Doyle for this single-handedly, but we're not stupid as fans, and I can't see the influence this man is meant to impart that is supposed to lift this side more regularly than it has done.

What was witnessed today was a man, who's meant to act more responsibly than anyone else, act like a thug and, due to his dismissal, weaken the side through his actions. Again, don't get me wrong, having someone who bites in a side can be no bad thing, but Doyle didn't bite, he behaved as if the red mist had descended, and in front of the cameras and thousands of people who couldn't excuse his behaviour. Doyle's not smart enough to know when and where to retaliate, so we all saw a man whose actions deprived us at a time when we most needed him.

One thing I do agree with you, to point a finger at Clough would be the height of foolishness. Whatever punishment Clough hands down to Doyle it will be done with consideration and without a knee-jerk reaction. Isn't that what Clough is paid to do? UTB

Fair points. I'll wager Doyle feels Clough's wrath, is fined, serves his suspension and will be back in the team as captain when next available.
If otherwise, then Clough really will be putting his marker down in the sand. We aren't yet in a position to throw aside our most experienced midfielder. Once we are safe (if ever), maybe then Clough will show his hand regards Doyle,

 

[themaninblack]

I'm with Carling, Bulletnut & LSF on this. Doyle is our player, our captain and five pages reactionary frothing at the mouth on our forum is utter nonsense. He fucked up and he got sent off. It's football, that's what happens.

Glad to hear the new signings looked good, sounds like we are set for some onward and upward at last!

 

[itsinyerblood]

Fair points. I'll wager Doyle feels Clough's wrath, is fined, serves his suspension and will be back in the team as captain when next available.
If otherwise, then Clough really will be putting his marker down in the sand. We aren't yet in a position to throw aside our most experienced midfielder. Once we are safe (if ever), maybe then Clough will show his hand regards Doyle,

Like I said mate, I like to give praise when it's deserved, but I'm not convinced by Doyle, both as someone who is capable of making a difference and as someone who has the attributes a captain needs. It's far too easy to summarise a player by one mistake, and whatever else Doyle may lack, it's not as if he has a reputation for thuggish behaviour. This is why Clough gets paid a decent wage, to make the tough decisions. And if Doyle has, as reported above, given a version of events that is wildly inaccurate, then Clough will know and act accordingly. For what it's worth I'm looking forward to a newly configured midfield. Clough has shown decent tactical nous up until now, and the prospect of a midfield including young Stefan excites me. UTB

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

2. Doyle has quite a distinguted career and deserves to be treated as an experienced pro rather than an up and coming nobody with a attitude problem.

'king right his career has been disinguted!

What ever that means!



Let us down badly today though IMO.

We'd be through now but for his petulance. At least it means someone else has a chance to win his shirt - and who will be captain now? Harry?

 

[Captain]

Hopefully Micky Adams will take him to Port Vale before the "window" closes!He was the bloody manager who lumbered us with Doyle, a leader my arse.Its been downhill for a few seasons now,time for fresh blood not players living on past unwarranted reputations.

 

[breeny]

It shouldn't happen,especially idiotic being the captain.

I thought he'd turned a bit of a corner but that display today let the players and fans down. Not after a witch hunt but an apology would go a long way.

 

[LSF]

The journalist Alan Biggs, who has no axe to grind re: Doyle, tweeted that Doyle said to media that he didn't kick out and that he didn't deserve the red card. That doesn't sound like a player willing to accept responsibility and apologise. Seems like he told that to Clough too, given Clough's 'we know some premier league players will tend to exaggerate certain challenges' comment when asked about the incident (which he was yet to see when he said that).

Not how it reads on the BBC website, just the opposite I'd say.

 

[crucialkneeligaman]

Unless TV finds something extra that was not a legitimate sending off.

Karagounis over-reacted and got him the red card. Bad refereeing.

Whether he over-reacted or not, Doyle should never have given him the opportunity. Players will always over-react if they can get the opposition down to playing with one man light.

 

[CarlingBlade]

Just seen the sending off incident, contact was minimal to say the least, hardly what some have described as a stamp.

 

[JohnDenver]

It's football, that's what happens.

It does indeed. But it (meaning indiscipline and poor performances) can only happen so many times before you earn some flack.

Doyle has been decent under Clough, but he deserves his punishment for today's nonsense.

 

[shorehamview]

.....reactionary frothing at the mouth on our forum is utter nonsense.....

I'm a long way from frothing at the mouth about Doyle, but as a captain he's as much use as tits on a fish. And as a holding midfielder he is less effective than an octopus shagging a bicycle.

Other than that he's simply not good enough.

 

[crucialkneeligaman]

I'm sure he's already apologised to his team mates and I'm sure he knows he's let himself and the fans down, hey ho, players get sent off.

Yes players get sent off and when it is for a mistimed tackle etc I can live with that, what I cannot be doing with is players getting sent off for the type of thing Doyle did today. At 1-0 up, I was confident we could have held out, we were playing impressively, then Doyle gets a rush of blood and we end up facing a backs to the wall performance and now more than likely an exit from the cup.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

five pages reaction

Think if you look in the forum history I bet it's nearer 100 pages combined.

He's not being roasted for todays misdemeanour, today is the tip of the iceberg.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

tits on a fish.

They ain't half got the lips to hang to 'em though

 

[dublin 10 blade]

Betting? I doubt Doyle has yet to master bartering. Heard his contract was based on a fresh weekly delivery of carrots, spuds, and whatever else is in season

Oh I typical anti- Irish statements thick micks must live on potatoes and Guinness , Tsk tsk , surprised at you IIYB ,
Thought you were one of the cultured posters
He was a total plonker by the way .

 

[itsinyerblood]

Oh I typical anti- Irish statements thick micks must live on potatoes and Guinness , Tsk tsk , surprised at you IIYB ,
Thought you were one of the cultured posters
He was a total plonker by the way .

Sorry mate, couldn't resist it. In my defence I come from a long line of Irish, but that's probably not a defence so you'll have to figure out a suitable punishment when we meet. Suggestion, punishment 1 - a night out with Doyler, punishment 2 - two nights out with Doyler

Yep, thought he was mental to do that under the gaze of the cameras, you just know that whatever happens it'll be captured. UTB

 

[dublin 10 blade]

Sorry mate, couldn't resist it. In my defence I come from a long line of Irish, but that's probably not a defence so you'll have to figure out a suitable punishment when we meet. Suggestion, punishment 1 - a night out with Doyler, punishment 2 - two nights out with Doyler

Yep, thought he was mental to do that under the gaze of the cameras, you just know that whatever happens it'll be captured. UTB

I was ribbing ya buddie , know there was no malice intended just pulling your leg mate thought the Might have tipped you off though .
Might make our midfield supply more effective now Doyle- Porter could be out for a while .
Thought Defence was good once Hill went inside as well .

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Not how it reads on the BBC website, just the opposite I'd say.

Clough: "The red card changed the game. I haven't seen it, but I just asked Michael if he touched him.

"He said yes, there was contact, but he didn't think there was sufficient contact for a sending-off."

The above's from the BBC story online. Doyle didn't think he should have been sent off for a clear red card - which bit have I missed?

 

[Junior Soduko]

Doyle acted like a complete pudding. Fine him two weeks wages. Make him earn his way back into the side.

 

[itsinyerblood]

I was ribbing ya buddie , know there was no malice intended just pulling your leg mate thought the Might have tipped you off though .
Might make our midfield supply more effective now Doyle- Porter could be out for a while .
Thought Defence was good once Hill went inside as well .

Crossed wires, saw the humour in what you said.

I just wish we could have Shaun Miller back to his old self. He's got just the pace needed for a quick thinking player like Scougall. For now, I think Paynter will be a reasonable foil if we can find someone sharp enough to compliment his ability to hold a ball or play a one-two or.....well you know what I mean fella. Couldn't get to the game today, too much crap going on with my leg, but the two new lads, Brayford and Scougall sounded just like the type of boost the Blades need. Harris sounded good too, but in a more understated way, but that'll do for me, a steady-Eddie who plays consistently well. Bottom line, we were unlucky by all accounts, which begs the fucking question, why can't we play like this consistently?

Will be watching the highlights later tonight, so perhaps we'll see more of what Doyle is meant to have done. I posted above about this, far more my usual reasonable self and sure Nigel will deal with Doyle appropriately.

Nice to hear from you mate, as ever UTB