What is wrong with our stewards?

[axel smeets]

I don't see a problem with this really.

A national database would weed out the idiots.

Did your parents get a ticket or were they refused?

No, they bought tickets. The point about weeding out the idiots is fair enough. However, do you really trust the people working at football clubs with your name and address? I personally seethe with the thought that someone who works at Hillsborough or anywhere else, might be able to see my home address. How can we know that these people are trustworthy?

 

[Linz]

It all goes down to sheffield united contracting security out to premier.

This would be Premier Security and Events Ltd - parent company Sheffield United football club...

 

[puppet]

Hahaha... just having a read of the FA's Stadium Safety Good Practice guide. This bit is hilarious:



WHUT?!

Are you allowed to called Anelka a jew-hating nazi instead then?

I'm surprised super_pig hasn't reprised the tale of our non-entry against Barnsley over a can of coke.

 

[Damski]

That board that looked like it had a load of boxes on it? We couldn't figure out what that was either.

Reminds me of a great quote. When they brought that on, a bloke behind said "Eh up, tuck shop's coming on nah!"

 

[lawlessdan]

It all goes down to sheffield united contracting security out to premier. IF the security worked direct for Sheffield united they would have to be more careful if a claim goes against them but at the moment sheffield united would just pass it the book onto premier. That's why most security in retail, events or commercial is contracted these days. What should happen is they give the contract to a more reputable company I.e. Showsec or g4s. Then the big wig in these company's would hate a bad word against them. Another is stewards don't have to have ANY conflict management training so a lot of them panic in situations and go in all guns blazing.

I can tell you for a fact that Showsec have a few stewards working at Bramall Lane these days as Premier have been sub contracting work out to other companies.. But they are only that, stewards. So unlike at Man City where they do the away end with stewards and door license. By the sounds of it the big issue is the response teams who are responsible for the ejections. I would be interested to know the clubs official line on ejections as every company has a set way of dealing with ejections and the correct protocol it use.

 

[Junior Soduko]

I haven't heard it in a while, but what on earth does the "all stewards to phase 5" announcement mean? It always amuses me that they all seem to be flapping around like blue arse flies to get where ever they need to be.

 

[lawlessdan]

I haven't heard it in a while, but what on earth does the "all stewards to phase 5" announcement mean? It always amuses me that they all seem to be flapping around like blue arse flies to get where ever they need to be.

Essentially means that they are preparing for an evacuation

 

[Selly]

No, they bought tickets. The point about weeding out the idiots is fair enough. However, do you really trust the people working at football clubs with your name and address? I personally seethe with the thought that someone who works at Hillsborough or anywhere else, might be able to see my home address. How can we know that these people are trustworthy?

You can't. Which is sort of the point of the Data Protection Act.

However I have no idea if the Act applies to details shared with Police Databases...

 

[axel smeets]

You can't. Which is sort of the point of the Data Protection Act.

However I have no idea if the Act applies to details shared with Police Databases...

What does the Data Protection Act actually entail then?

 

[Linz]

What does the Data Protection Act actually entail then?

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/29/contents

You're welcome.

 

[axel smeets]

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/29/contents

You're welcome.

Many thanks Linz.

 

[Linz]

Many thanks Linz.

The basic premise is that anyone who stores information about you is required to keep that information secure, they are only allowed to use it for the reason they say at the outset and they shouldn't share the information with third parties without your consent (like sharing our database with other clubs or forgetting to bcc emails).

It also gives members of the public the right to request what information is held about them from public bodies... CCTV for instance. And the DPA compels bodies to comply with a set time limit (40 days I think) or face sanction.

It has been a while since I read it through though.

 

[ZoneManWilf]

I haven't heard it in a while, but what on earth does the "all stewards to phase 5" announcement mean? It always amuses me that they all seem to be flapping around like blue arse flies to get where ever they need to be.

I still wonder whether Mr Meadows ever made it to Bramall Control...

 

[Sothall_Blade]

I still wonder whether Mr Meadows ever made it to Bramall Control...

I often wondered if by coincidence there ever was a real Mr Meadows at those matches (surely it's not that uncommon a surname?).

I picture some old bloke struggling out of his seat and shuffling slowly down to the front.
Just as he's about to make himself known he hears the announcement that his presence is "No longer required..." so he shrugs and makes the long, weary journey back again...

 

[vorpal blade]

Where do I start?

3 years ago steward at the turnstiles asks me 'what's in the bag', I stupidly say 'semtex', cue me being led off to see the head of security at Utd. I stopped arguing with him because he was quite old and I didn't want to induce his cardiac arrest. Speaking of arrest, he radioed the police at the corner of John Street and Bramall Lane to frisk me. Policeman read the situation as trivial and didn't bother.
Yep I was stoopid (I had lost £30 odd quid on the deal) but the very next time I went through the turnstiles between South Stand and Kop with the same bag over a year later, a different steward said to me, 'what have you got in the bag, a bomb?' sauce for the goose NOT sauce for the gander then.

I was at Wembley to see Man. City humiliate Stoke in the Cup final a couple of years ago they prolong the celebrations before the winners get the cup to try and filter the losing fans out of the way first. A teenage Stoke fan in the stand below me had a big flag, decided he'd like to see Manchester get the trophy and he started a conga. The stewards gave the lad a beating, not serious medically but far too strong, I filmed it and posted on a Stoke forum. It came to nought.

They hate congas, I saw them chuck out a kid at Lord's for starting one when rain stopped play!

Crystal Palace steward started frisking me in the queue with out introducing himself or asking my permission so, affronted, I frisked him back, he pinched my ticket and ripped it up (they don't like it up 'em) but again I was saved by the Cops who let me in through an exit gate.

Like bouncers, stewards are emboldened by having council approval, I think private police forces should not be tolerated in a democracy.

Some of them are licenced* thugs.


*added later after reading the post below, je m'excuse of course not all stewards are violent.

 

[CamelBlade]

A few years ago I stewarded at Bramall Lane.
The 'response teams' orange jackets are seen as the big guns of stewarding at BDTBL. A few of them really enjoy the physical side of it and psyche each other up before a big game. They are sent for to chuck people out.
I was in it purely for the money and to get in the game for free and the odd chance to help people. The vast majority of the stewards then were students or people wanting a bit of extra pocket money. Most would run away if anything violent happened. I made up my mind that the money wasn't worth it and you see so little of the game. I also did not fancy getting injured for the £25 you made.
One steward (one of the more interested in the scrapping) told me that he threw a fan out for bad language and the fan offered to meet him after the shift. They met up in town and had a full on scrap. I am just not that type of person so quit.
Phase 5 btw is when there is a possible serious incident and the stewards have to all stand up and face the crowd in a more visible way.

 

[Selly]

The basic premise is that anyone who stores information about you is required to keep that information secure, they are only allowed to use it for the reason they say at the outset and they shouldn't share the information with third parties without your consent (like sharing our database with other clubs or forgetting to bcc emails).

It also gives members of the public the right to request what information is held about them from public bodies... CCTV for instance. And the DPA compels bodies to comply with a set time limit (40 days I think) or face sanction.

It has been a while since I read it through though.

The data you store also has to be accurate, and you have to be able to display, if asked, a reasonable need to site the data.

For example, if you wanted to store the nationality of your customers, you couldn't simply default everyone to British. Having gathered the data, you would also need to show a reasonable need to store it.

 

[axel smeets]

Is it right then that rival clubs such as SWFC have staff who will be able to see our home addresses? The potential for abuse is shocking.

 

[Selly]

Is it right then that rival clubs such as SWFC have staff who will be able to see our home addresses? The potential for abuse is shocking.

I think the issue is the sharing of the data by SUFC. Did anyone give them permission to do this??? There may be an exception for this central police database.

Once they gave the data, as long as there are appropriate controls (stop laughing at the back) around access to it, I would have thought that they would have no issues demonstrating a need in having the data in order to prevent the "wrong teams" fans sitting in the wrong area.

 

[mattbianco1]

So are we all agreed that our stewards need to calm down?

The bouncers that do the door at Forum on Division Street are worst of the lot - the missus was bolloxed one night in there, she'd been to the bog and came back and sat down at a table where I was stood with my mate from work. Next thing this bouncer comes over and says to her "you out!"

Obviously, I have no idea what's gone off so I ask him why and get the following response "I'm talking to her not you". I explained that she was with me and I wanted to know what he was throwing her out for. He repeated "I'm talking to her not you, now move".

I said "i'll move when you tell me what you're throwing her out for". He then shoved me out the way and literally ragged her out of the chair with his arms round her like the Heimlich manoeuvre. At this point I'm fuming and trying to get him to let her go and he kind of threw her into the other bouncers in the door way. I grabbed his arm and he turned round and threw a punch at me. Luckily he missed.

She can't remember what she did, she'll have probably fell over blotto'd or sumat but I just don't understand why he couldn't just explain what he wanted her out for.

 

[axel smeets]

So are we all agreed that our stewards need to calm down?

The bouncers that do the door at Forum on Division Street are worst of the lot - the missus was bolloxed one night in there, she'd been to the bog and came back and sat down at a table where I was stood with my mate from work. Next thing this bouncer comes over and says to her "you out!"

Obviously, I have no idea what's gone off so I ask him why and get the following response "I'm talking to her not you". I explained that she was with me and I wanted to know what he was throwing her out for. He repeated "I'm talking to her not you, now move".

I said "i'll move when you tell me what you're throwing her out for". He then shoved me out the way and literally ragged her out of the chair with his arms round her like the Heimlich manoeuvre. At this point I'm fuming and trying to get him to let her go and he kind of threw her into the other bouncers in the door way. I grabbed his arm and he turned round and threw a punch at me. Luckily he missed.

She can't remember what she did, she'll have probably fell over blotto'd or sumat but I just don't understand why he couldn't just explain what he wanted her out for.

Minimum wage monkeys. Most bouncers in my view have childhood issues. Perhaps sexual abuse by parents or other family members. Its the only possible explanation for conduct like that. Its power that they did not have as youngsters.

 

[vorpal blade]

Aye and (a lot of) the rest of them deal drugs.

A Rovers fan who is a friend of mine won't go back to Bramall Lane after seeing a man kicked out for complaining after a woman had spilt Coca-Cola on him. He said something, she started effing and blinding (its Doncaster remember thats how idiots show off here) so the steward made the classic false assumptions and man-handled him out. I mean he wouldn't have looked half as hard kicking a woman out would he?

Judge and Jury but no brains. Some one's day ruined and no chance of refund on a wasted ticket. Welcome to bdtbl.

 

[JohnDenver]

The bouncers that do the door at Forum on Division Street are worst of the lot

The only bar I've ever been thrown out of. I'm not a troublesome drunk, but a bouncer caught me chundering in the bogs and clearly didn't believe in the concept of a tactical one.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

The only bar I've ever been thrown out of. I'm not a troublesome drunk, but a bouncer caught me chundering in the bogs and clearly didn't believe in the concept of a tactical one.

Re: The concept of a tactical chunder;


This is not something i've had to do since i was 20. Not sure whether this is because i can drink more or less nowadays...

 

[sheffielder]

The only bar I've ever been thrown out of. I'm not a troublesome drunk, but a bouncer caught me chundering in the bogs and clearly didn't believe in the concept of a tactical one.

I used to have that problem with the first line too

 

[shefflad84]

Just saying, as a steward. You do not realise what we have to deal with, being assaulted, and what abuse we have to take. You only see the ejections and not what happens prior, plus the warnings that are given in most cases before ejection.

I like to think all stewards are professional and do not cross the boundaries. It may look a bit messier than it is sometimes to other supporters.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Just watched footage of Bradford goals on sky, and the stewards seem rather lenient to me. One chav kicks a stool used by stewards before disappearing back into the crowd. In my view the scumbags from other teams get away with way too much.

 

[Linz]

Just saying, as a steward. You do not realise what we have to deal with, being assaulted, and what abuse we have to take. You only see the ejections and not what happens prior, plus the warnings that are given in most cases before ejection.

I like to think all stewards are professional and do not cross the boundaries. It may look a bit messier than it is sometimes to other supporters.

Welcome to the forum.

What about turning a blind eye to catering staff being attacked and threatened then? Did that just look "a bit messier" to the members of staff involved?

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Why are they so eager for a scuffle? Yesterday we got a throw in that Bradford thought was theirs and one bloke walked out the front of the gangway. He saw all the stewards running to him so held his hands up and got back in the stand only to be ragged out by about 4 or 5 stewards. Surely some common sense should come into it. He didn't go on the pitch, he didn't approach anybody or put anybody in danger and realised immediately he was in the wrong so went back in.

When they scored the 2nd, one bloke on the front row was squashed over the railing and eventually fell over the railing, he got thrown out (along with about 8 others). It really is disgraceful.

Nathan Doyle (Bradford sub) was warming up and exchanged some words with some people down the front of the south stand. One of our fans got onto the walkway to mouth off at him and the steward calmed him down and told him to go back to his seat. The steward then went up to all the Bradford bench and had a go at them to calm the player down. If that was an away fan he wouldn't have been allowed back to his seat regardless of what went off with the player.

I really think these "bullies" need to think about throwing people out unnecessarily. I mean come on, these people are celebrating their teams goal. If they encroach the pitch then that's fair game, kick the shit out of them.

I think it is ridiculously embarrassing and I bet we get complaints all the time.

See the sky footage of bradford`s second goal. The stewards were just urging the fans to go back into the crowdf, and one little boy needed a female to get hold of him as the clever little boy decided he would gallivant about , ignoring the steward`s instruction to go back. These toerags are breaking the rules and need throwing out. I really do not get this pleading the case for aggressive delinquents from our opponents.

 

[mattbianco1]

Just saying, as a steward. You do not realise what we have to deal with, being assaulted, and what abuse we have to take. You only see the ejections and not what happens prior, plus the warnings that are given in most cases before ejection.

Yeah none of us see the big group of stewards huddled under the Forsyth Building in the corner then as soon as a goal goes in - steam in and rag people out. Clearly provoked