Brewsters New Contract?

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Hopefully 1 year deal with an option of extending if plays over a numbers of games
Exactly that, you let Brewster go and we’ve got to try and replace him because he is part of our squad. And as we’ve found with Cannon that replacement can sometimes be expensive
 

Even if you think Brewster is doing ok now, there is surely no doubt he is not a PL quality player.

An extension is stupid. An extension if we go up is even more stupid.

We managed to wean ourselves off McBurnie. Time to do the same with Brewster at the end of the season.
 
Bit surprised the club hasn't got an option on him for next year, unless it was used last summer and I wasn't aware. For what it's worth I'm not surprised, I always go back to a hecky interview before his promotion season, talking about Brewster and McBurnie, where he said something along the lines of that because of the transfer spend this club can't afford for them to fail. Different manager and owners now but the sentiment is the same and alongside his age they I imagine the management think they can get him going. I have always wanted him to do well, but I just don't see it at the minute. Ultimately he is a centre forward who doesn't score and both parties should be moving on.
 
The part where I contradict myself & slightly agree on the fresh start for the player is that some United fans are so stuck in their view that he’s shit they’ll never change that opinion & love slagging him off at every opportunity
There aren't really that many of them, and most people ignore them anyway, as you would with the irritating loud mouthed fucker in the pub.
 
People were arguing the toss about giving Mcburnie a new deal last summer but seem perfectly happy to give Brewster another year or two despite Brewster having as bad an injury record (possibly worse) and contributing a lot less than McBurnie.

The mind boggles
 
I try to look at it objectively. Has he delivered over the course of his current contract? No he hasn't (for various reasons, discussed at length). But that's done now, no one can change that, it's in the past. Is he currently one of our better performing forward players? Yes I think he is. Therefore there's an opportunity to sign a player that is currently performing well at the standard required. I see no reason why we wouldn't look at it. Those saying 'he's shit, he cost us £X and hasn't scored X goals' are in cutting nose off to spite face territory. The main question mark for me would be fitness, but the more games he has without pulling up the more it suggests his body is up to the demands of the game.
I can agree with some of your reasoning, and he does have a great attitude, which is important.
If there is better to come, offer him a 1 year contract on performance related pay.

If COH want to use it as a face saving gesture for Wilder, one year is plenty to show what he can do when fit. If his agent thinks he is worth more than that, let him do a deal with a lower league club.

Despite his improved contribution, if the club gets promoted, Brewster would probably struggle in the EPL. Until the end of the season, he is still an SUFC asset.
 
Bit surprised the club hasn't got an option on him for next year, unless it was used last summer and I wasn't aware. For what it's worth I'm not surprised, I always go back to a hecky interview before his promotion season, talking about Brewster and McBurnie, where he said something along the lines of that because of the transfer spend this club can't afford for them to fail. Different manager and owners now but the sentiment is the same and alongside his age they I imagine the management think they can get him going. I have always wanted him to do well, but I just don't see it at the minute. Ultimately he is a centre forward who doesn't score and both parties should be moving on.

We should realign our thinking, and take the view that the squad cost X amount of money and so the squad needs to come good (its not the end of the world if a cheap player is the one banging them in, as long as someone is... eg Sharp only cost half a million), rather than making it all about playing the high value players no matter how shit they are, jeopardising our season.
 
Even if you think Brewster is doing ok now, there is surely no doubt he is not a PL quality player.

An extension is stupid. An extension if we go up is even more stupid.

We managed to wean ourselves off McBurnie. Time to do the same with Brewster at the end of the season.



Mcburnie would have been our best striker this season and has an almost identical Goals to game ratio as Tom Cannon whilst offering far more in link up play

One we could have signed for 30k a week the other cost 10 mill and 40k

Just saying
 
I'm pretty certain one of the reasons for poor atmosphere at the lane is having to see this abject £20 million+ failure on our team sheet year after year. Its not exactly invigorating. Lets close this sorry chapter and move on.
Really the atmosphere is Brewsters fault now? I get both sides of the argument. I hope he does well for us for the rest of this season. I think potentially there is a number 10 in there but keeping him with his injury record is a huge risk. I respect commenters such as Deadbat whose opinion I don't always agree with, but are generally considered, wanting us to move on but comments like this one. I'd keep him just to piss you off. Equally stupid I know but you may as well blame him for covid and brexit while you're at it.
 
Wilder needs to let go, and admit his mistake.Brewster was a bad buy and terrible mistake at 20 odd million.
Both club and player will be better off without each other.
Not sure we can say it was a mistake. Before joining RB was seen as one of the countries top young talents. He won the U-17 World Cup Golden Boot, impressed at Liverpool, got 11 in 22 at Swansea. The FA and England U21s rated him highly, Brighton and Palace were both sniffing. No doubt, since joining us his luck has has been utter dog shit. Having said that, I don't think anyone, given his apparent pedigree, would have thought at the time, that he was a risk. It's just not worked out.

FWIW, I don't think a new deal is a bad idea BUT it HAS to be on revised terms. His Injury record HAS to be a factor in any new deal. If he was looking for a move, any new club would consider his injuries in any package they offer and we should do the same. I desperately want him to come good, but I want the club to be sensible.

Just to add, I recon we, as a fan base, need one of those Men in Black memory wangers. Make us all forget the £18M ;) rising to £23M so we can give him a fair crack.....

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Mcburnie would have been our best striker this season and has an almost identical Goals to game ratio as Tom Cannon whilst offering far more in link up play

One we could have signed for 30k a week the other cost 10 mill and 40k

Just saying
meanwhile, in the actual world rather than in hypothetical land, McBurnie is currently hard at work in his second season out of 4 in which he doesn’t score in the league.
 

He's managed to put together a run where he hasn't pulled up since his last bout out. He came to us with a record of 2 previous major injuries and the key question is how long will it be before he breaks down again? He's yet to complete a full 90 minutes at full steam since he came back imo. He still looks short of the pace he showed when he first came. The manager recently said he's not fit enough to start 2 games in a week. Its one for the medical teams but hopefully its not the same people who assessed him when he first signed. A thorough risk assessment on the potential for reoccurring injury has to be done before any consideration can be given to a new contract.

Its a risk/reward dilemma for the new owners. A player who will still be only 25 at the end of his contract, born on April fools day by the way :D, who could be a saleable asset if we offer new terms. Balance that against the loss the club has incurred on our record signing and the number of days and games missed. 634 days out and 99 games thats 2 full seasons out of his 5 year contract!

Add in he lost 523 days with Liverpool and 48 games over 4 years not forgetting a bad injury whilst a youngster at Chelsea and the odds on him having an injury free career going forward do not look promising.

He's a popular player no doubt but that alone doesn't warrant a new contract. The club have made a considerable loss on his value as a consequence of his injuries and it would make sense to wait until the end of the season whilst assessing how his body copes, especially his hamstrings, with the demands of playing full tilt 2 games a week.
No matter how much the media like to rabbit on , there is just no business sense in committing to either Brewster or Robinson until we know which league we'll be in next season.

Let them prove their worth - they can't complain about having an uncertain future , that's football , that's why the wages are daft , that's why they have agents.
Their fate depends on ours , so they'll just have to wait.
Just no idea why CW is pushing to keep them.

I can't imagine the new owners are daft enough to dish them a new contract at this stage , unless CW is saying right now that they are PL quality.
And if he's saying that , well , I doubt his judgement and so should the owners.
 
I agree with the Robinson statement, but Wilder will keep him a bit longer as he’s a ‘Wilder type’ and not necessarily a good footballer.

I do like Robbo, but his skill set is quite limited.
This is where CW fails on recruitment & retention.
He values "likeability" over cold hard assessment.
If the new owners keep Brewster or Robinson , we will know that CW has them well under his thumb.
He's already started his campaign to keep them.
FFS owners , don't listen - make your own judgement.
Don't forget , the jury's only just retired to its room , on your £10m striker.
Don't let CW put you over a barrel - seize at least some control if you want a successful club.
 
I like Brewster but for me we shouldn't be doing anything until either closer too, or the end of the season.

He has generally been a more positive impact on games and decent this season. But has also missed a few too many chances for me that would perhaps have changed the narrative a bit. I can think of at least 3 where a T.Campbell would likely have scored.

But it's not just that, I want to be more confident that yes, he has turned the corner with performances and also his injury setbacks.

I do think that without the injuries we would have seen a better player. I mean this is the first season we've had him since his first season with him that he's been available for more matches than not.
 
This is where CW fails on recruitment & retention.
He values "likeability" over cold hard assessment.
If the new owners keep Brewster or Robinson , we will know that CW has them well under his thumb.
He's already started his campaign to keep them.
FFS owners , don't listen - make your own judgement.
Don't forget , the jury's only just retired to its room , on your £10m striker.
Don't let CW put you over a barrel - seize at least some control if you want a successful club.
I don't think Wilder has them over a barrel.
These 2 AI recruits point to that too.

It sounds very much like the decisions on players is across a team. Board, Exec (Bettis), Management and Scouting staff.
I don't think it's been the manager holding more of the cards for about 5 years.
 
If brewster had come from our academy rather than a big transfer fee I would suspect some of our fans would give him a lot more leeway than he gets now.

At the moment, I enjoy watching brewster and campbell more than any of our other strikers. At least brewster makes things happen.
If Brewster had come from our academy he would have been released 2 or 3 years ago due to injuries and poor form.
 
I can agree with some of your reasoning, and he does have a great attitude, which is important.
If there is better to come, offer him a 1 year contract on performance related pay.

If COH want to use it as a face saving gesture for Wilder, one year is plenty to show what he can do when fit. If his agent thinks he is worth more than that, let him do a deal with a lower league club.

Despite his improved contribution, if the club gets promoted, Brewster would probably struggle in the EPL. Until the end of the season, he is still an SUFC asset.
Fair enough re PL quality, however if we're going down that route I'd say Hamer, Cooper and Arblaster (if he comes back from injury as he was before), and potentially Peck and Souza are the only ones that wouldn't struggle in the PL. And that's in an established PL side, I suspect they'd probably struggle too playing in a team not up to it.
 
We should forget about it until the summer. If he can actually stay fit through another 15 games that will be a bonus and we will get some benefit from that.

In the Summer - he’ll be out of contract and if he’s fit I suspect he’ll try to get a fresh start and put this nightmare for him (& us) behind him.
His agent can hawk him around in the summer and some club which doesn't do its due diligence on multiple absences through major injuries , coupled with lack of goals when fit , might have him.

But we have to forget he's a nice lad, act without sentiment and analyse the bald facts.
He's an injury prone failure.

Is that the sort of player we want to have on a contract ?
 
The amount we paid to Liverpool is irrelevant.

The only issues are whether he is a useful member of the squad and, if so, whether he accepts what we offer.

Wilder obviously thinks he'll come good. And at the end of the day it's his job that'll be on the line.
 
We're not very good at cutting people loose at the right time. Most of Wilder's old guard were here a season or two too long.

If we have any ambition whatsoever, both Robinson and Brewster should be let go at the end of the season, neither have proven that they have what it takes at the top level and are questionable at Championship level, certainly for ourselves with eyes on the top of the league rather than the bottom.
 
I don't think Wilder has them over a barrel.
These 2 AI recruits point to that too.

It sounds very much like the decisions on players is across a team. Board, Exec (Bettis), Management and Scouting staff.
I don't think it's been the manager holding more of the cards for about 5 years.
The 2 AI recruits point to nowt.
No obligation on CW to play em or do owt wi em - he can just shrug his shoulders and say "silly Yankee owner project".

CW is the one who's
failed to replace Souttar until a panic loan at the end of the window of a CB who's not played for ages
got Clarke who was had on toast by a LW on Saturday
BBD who looks unfit
Hamza who doesn't pass forward
Cannon who's done little to suggest he fits our (turgid) playing style.

If you don't think CW holds the cards , listen to the Prince's interview.

Ask yourself if you see us evolving into a Brighton , Bournemouth or Brentford under CW.

Brewster & Robinson are not progression.

We need wait and see which league we're in and then be very careful about recruitment.

If they want to look around for another club , so be it - we are not yet in a position to decide on retention.

The club must look out for itself.
 
Really the atmosphere is Brewsters fault now? I get both sides of the argument. I hope he does well for us for the rest of this season. I think potentially there is a number 10 in there but keeping him with his injury record is a huge risk. I respect commenters such as Deadbat whose opinion I don't always agree with, but are generally considered, wanting us to move on but comments like this one. I'd keep him just to piss you off. Equally stupid I know but you may as well blame him for covid and brexit while you're at it.

Weird since he doest play at Brexit's stadium or Covid's stadium. He plays shit at our stadium on big money , where by PURE COINCiDENCE the atmosphere is shit.
 
The 2 AI recruits point to nowt.
No obligation on CW to play em or do owt wi em - he can just shrug his shoulders and say "silly Yankee owner project".

CW is the one who's
failed to replace Souttar until a panic loan at the end of the window of a CB who's not played for ages
got Clarke who was had on toast by a LW on Saturday
BBD who looks unfit
Hamza who doesn't pass forward
Cannon who's done little to suggest he fits our (turgid) playing style.

If you don't think CW holds the cards , listen to the Prince's interview.

Ask yourself if you see us evolving into a Brighton , Bournemouth or Brentford under CW.

Brewster & Robinson are not progression.

We need wait and see which league we're in and then be very careful about recruitment.

If they want to look around for another club , so be it - we are not yet in a position to decide on retention.

The club must look out for itself.
That's not what he said though regards the AI. Yes he can hold his hands up, but it also shows that he hasn't got the transfer policy over a barrel too then. Can't have it both ways.

Which interview are you referring to regards the Prince? Because if your referring to the one after Wilder left in 2021 then things have changed since then.

The Prince weighted conversations on recruitment either in or out of his favour depending on it's success from what I could tell.

By the same measure on those signings above does Wilder get credit for bringing in the below then too?
  • Cooper, best perm keeper we've had for years by looks of it.
  • Callum O'Hare
  • Souttar (Before injury)
  • T.Campbell
  • Rak Sakyi
  • Burrows
I'm also not writing off any of the new signings after 1,2,3 matches. And we know that BBD can play well for us. Took a bit for O'Hare to come good. We can't afford that for all of the new-uns but you get my point.
 

Chris Wilder

, "We are talking to [his agents]. I'd love him to stay. I'm a big fan. I don't go along with what people say. Because he's now having a run of games, he's part of a front group that I'm delighted to have". "I'd love him to get that deal sorted out. Hopefully we can come to some agreement. Sheffield United have not seen the best of Rhian, through no fault of his. He came with big expectations and still needs to prove that player he was then that he can still do it now", going on to say his price tag was nowhere near the 23m that was in the press.
He’s absolutely insane to even contemplate giving him another deal.
 

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