Where’s your plan A & B Wilder?

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Pathetic hull tho 3 nowt time to go chris I'm absolutely struggling with mental health and I tho8ght blades would put a smile on mi face
 

Never rely on Sheffield United for that because they always let you down.

CW is a frustrating manager because In the key games we resort to defensive tactics and every time it costs us.

That said I think he will be the manager till at least the summer.
 
BiggerBladeThanThou said:
No identity, no style of play, no idea on how to beat these as a plan A and zero changes apart from chucking the cavalry on and hoping for the best.

What was our game plan tonight?? Just hope we were better individuals?? Fucking shite.
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He doesn't have a plan b just like he didn't have a plan b the last time he was here.

We are so predictable and it is so frustrating to watch.
 
Got stuck on the snake driving back on the steepest part when it started snowing out of nowhere. Really great evening all round
 
I really have no idea how to put into words my reflection of what I watched… it wasn’t a 0-3 game but at the same time I don’t feel hard done by in all honesty. I need to sleep on it, but after being so stretched as a squad, we finally spend a fair bit of dough and we get completely humiliated? Don’t really know what to say.

I never thought we’d be where we are. And all credit goes to Wilder for turning the club around again. Maybe it is a tad too far for what the players are capable of. Let’s just see.
 
brownblade said:
Considering how we were last season, plus the summer clearout, I think it's pretty miraculous how well we're doing overall. Look at Luton for how this season could have gone.

So complaining that we're not a great attacking side/don't have exciting attacking style, feels greedy and pretty unrealistic.
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The main change is that the opposition has much less quality. I actually don't believe much has changed. Our 'style of football' is still very similar and in my opinion it's bad. We still have limited quality on the ball, lots of sideways passing, most of our possession is across our back line, aimless long balls and clearances, easily turn over possession, inaccurate passing, hurried play, creatively weak, a lack of technical ability, a lack of dynamic movements and play. We have had random games where we have looked much better but I would say about 80% of our games have most of these ingredients.

Against some of the more possession based teams in this league we look poor. When/if we go up it will be a carbon copy of last time because the style of football is non-existent. you need both results and style of play to cut it in the prem. We are organised and do a job on teams but that doesn't work when you play against teams of much higher quality as you can't break through them and you can't keep them out. It will be another painful season unless we change things.

Every week we hear an almost identical viewpoint from opposing fans that we look like a poor team and that they can't believe we are 2nd/top. It is consistently mentioned and there is truth and reason to it. If we don't establish something better soon then there is no way we stand a chance of trying to implement if we go up playing against much better teams.

Style of play and footballing culture is what defines the elite teams at the top of English and world football.
 
It is baffling what we are trying to do. As others have said it’s been like it all season in honesty and given how poor a lot of sides are in this league, we’ve got away with it.

It’s the total opposite of when we went up in 2019 when we had a clear, exciting game plan. We rarely seem to get balls in and around the box and seem fixated on scoring this perfect goal, whatever that may be.

The most frustrating thing that we do regularly, is get in the final third and rather than gamble on a forward ball at that point, pass it back, and back again, to Cooper, who hits it long towards a now settled opposition defence, where we then invariably lose the ball. Why not take the punt when you have them on the back foot?

We have of course had bad injuries and have done brilliantly well to somehow get some results. But, even with players coming back I’m not yet convinced about our longer term prospects under this current version of Wilder ball, which is dull.
 
Slim Man said:
Odd isn't it?

Play for set pieces with a pretty small team, who never score from set pieces.

Startling lack of creativity and players comfortable on the ball.

What do we do in training?
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Start a new thread of you complaining. See if can go for a record.
 
I woke up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat, that performance gave me awful flashbacks to last season. Was I still having the a reoccurring nightmare about the Arsenal or Newcastle games I wonder? I had to check my phone immediately to put my mind at rest…Arrrrgh!!! It was HULL FUCKING CITY….Throws phone at wall.
 

I keep seeing posters wanting to sign a creative CM to replace Atblaster but I really don't think creativity is the problem.

We are playing 4 attacking players every game.

In Hamer we have one of the best in the division. Creates and scores.

O'Hare isn't far behind either, with both usually involved in our goals.

Then you have Rak-Saki and Brooks, both playing in a role which is less about creating chances and more about cutting inside and having shots. They've been most creative then they've actually driven to the byline and put a ball in with their weaker foot.

In Burrows we have the best LB in the league. He puts some great balls in, both in open play or deadball situations, but often has no one on the end of them.

Our strikers have only created 2 goals between all of them, which isn't good enough. None are the creative type and BBD and Canon are also very selfish strikers. I don't think that balance is tight but we've been playing one up top most of the season and they've often been isolated.

What we need is ball-winning CMs who control midfield, protect the defence, break up play and then give the ball to one of our creative players.

We need to move the ball quickly. Be more direct. Counter quickly. But we play in a way which slows things down. Takes an extra touch. Comes back inside. Allowing defences to regroup and then having a much more difficult task of breaking them down. We need to be braver. We need forwards to have better movement. Better anticipation.

What we need is a much better balance.

We've been at our best when the midfield have turned over play and then passed it quickly to Hamer or O'Hare to start an attack.
 
Not reading much on here how well Hull moved the ball about in midfield . They were a million miles from the dog shit we played at the KC . A dip on our form through injury was inevitable. Leeds will fall apart as they aways do . Better to have an issue now than at the business end of the season . Keep the faith everyone
 
The difference last night? Midfield. In short, Hull City's midfield worked really effectively and played well, pressed us, passed well, supported their front lads and gave their back line protection. Whereas United didn't really have one, due to players missing for various reasons and CW not learning from the lucky escape at Swansea and repeating the same mistake (Burrows). The team was disjointed and a bit of a hotch potch.
Mistakes were made, but circumstances on the night didn't help.

We play that game today with everyone in the squad fit and available and I guarantee that we would see a completely different result. But, it's gone now. The trick is to get players fit, up to speed in training this week, and for CW to learn from last night (I.e. Burrows is not a midfielder and should not play there again). I'd have played Blacker there last night and not chucked in BBD or Cannon, but then I dont see the players every day like CW does and Im sure he knows more about football than I do.

Take it on the chin, and move on quickly. Need to come out fighting and take it out of Derby next Saturday.
 
Danetheblade said:
Wilders never had a plan B to be fair. Very lethargic to make changes, panicked and threw the kitchen sink at it towards the end.
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He changed the game on Tuesday and we won. It’s very easy to say all these things when we lose and take the tactical changes for granted when we win.

I’m not completely disagreeing with you, I think last night needed a change of formation based on the players we had available. I’m not sure starting with BBD & Cannon was right either, but when we’re sat top of the league (technically) it probably shows Wilder knows what he’s doing & gets it right more often than not.
 
true99blade said:
I really have no idea how to put into words my reflection of what I watched… it wasn’t a 0-3 game but at the same time I don’t feel hard done by in all honesty. I need to sleep on it, but after being so stretched as a squad, we finally spend a fair bit of dough and we get completely humiliated? Don’t really know what to say.

I never thought we’d be where we are. And all credit goes to Wilder for turning the club around again. Maybe it is a tad too far for what the players are capable of. Let’s just see.
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Only thing I’d disagree with you on is it was a 0-3 performance, we earned it. It’s been coming last few games being outplayed in midfield and relying on backward play to a damaged defence not attacking play to try and win games not nick them.

Love Wilders pashun and he’s a Blade through and through, so much like the rest of us it hurts. And Wilder has done what he does best, rebuilt on a shoe string and ground out results in a very average league (apart from top 4). But when we’ve played a decent side we’re just a above average team. Results against top teams support this. Leeds, Burnaly and Sunderland are fast forward attacking teams. We are not.

He’s rebuilt, but noticeably we started with only 1 non uk player in our team last night. Wilder is a good old fashioned footy manager that likes players with fire int belly and a few too many peroni’s in his belly to the point like some fans he goes to far and it’s a tad embarrassing (and I’ve done it).

Look at similar managers available now Sean Dyche, Gary O’Neil, Steve Cooper et al. That mould is broken.

We’ve got inexperienced maybe nieve new owners with some brass who are at risk of mistaking pashun with ambition. Unfortunately, they don’t have experience and are mistaking league position with achievement and future ability/success.

For once our stars are aligning off the pitch but it’s all going t!ts up unless we get a leader who can use the wider pool of skills of the modern game and make us a technical/tactical football team on the pitch eg Brighton, Brentford, Bournmouth, not to mention teams in our league.

Put rivalries aside, this is BIG business now and we’ve got a good local shopkeeper (who I respect for what he’s achieved) in charge of the supermarket chain trying to break into the big 6 supermarkets cartel.

I have no doubt Wilder could and might drag us kicking and screaming into the play offs and possibly promotion but leave him in charge in the PL and it will only end one way. A good old uk team of players trying to grind out results over more skilful technical outfits and getting embarrassed again.

Many will disagree nay, call me a pig whatever for my views on Wilder, but they are my views and I’m entitled to them. I support Sheffield United to the point it hurts but not its current manager if our new owners want big success. I refuse to become delusional over one man, this is Sheffield United first, always.

A few costly signings and euphoria will ensue, but I fear the results will not!
 
Iffy Onuora's Shiny Head said:
There was a throw in near the corner flag in the first half taken by gilchrist. It went back through the midfield to the left. Then back through the midfield to the right.
This must have happened 6 or more times slowly working further and further back towards our goal until someone lumped it straight out for a goal kick.
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You've just hit Plan A on the head, unfortunately.

In all honesty, it's not that bad but having no creativity in midfield (without Hamer or Davies) is killing the attack.

Vini, Peck, Burrows ?? even O'Hare are not attacking, running at opposition type midfielders who put the defence on the back foot.
 
Any one of these 3 separate things would have changed last night's performance and the result:

A new central midfielder
An available Hamer
A match fit Brereton

It was a consequence of not getting business done early this month. It was a consequence of our discipline problem
 
Rufus Smalls said:
You've just hit Plan A on the head, unfortunately.

In all honesty, it's not that bad but having no creativity in midfield (without Hamer or Davies) is killing the attack.

Vini, Peck, Burrows ?? even O'Hare are not attacking, running at opposition type midfielders who put the defence on the back foot.
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We just seem to make playing football look very difficult sometimes, especially when you contrast us with the fluid, pro-active styles that clubs like Burnley, Sunderland, Norwich, West Brom and yes…Hull City have brought to BDTBL. Yes I know, it’s all about the points, but it would be nice to see a team supposedly going for promotion playing with a bit more confidence…especially at home.
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
Constant back passes suggests to me that the players either don't know what to do when they have the ball as

A) they're thick and crap

Or

B) they've been over coached into playing a system that their natural decision making instinct has been taken away and now they play paint by number football.
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The style and tempo of a team is usually dictated by how pro-active the back line and the keeper are in initiating play. They can either can prod it forward quickly to more talented midfielders, send long raking balls to the wide men or strikers…or fuck about with it at the back, put themselves under pressure and lose any sort of momentum going forward…I wonder?
 
robbiez666 said:
I keep seeing posters wanting to sign a creative CM to replace Atblaster but I really don't think creativity is the problem.

We are playing 4 attacking players every game.

In Hamer we have one of the best in the division. Creates and scores.

O'Hare isn't far behind either, with both usually involved in our goals.

Then you have Rak-Saki and Brooks, both playing in a role which is less about creating chances and more about cutting inside and having shots. They've been most creative then they've actually driven to the byline and put a ball in with their weaker foot.

In Burrows we have the best LB in the league. He puts some great balls in, both in open play or deadball situations, but often has no one on the end of them.

Our strikers have only created 2 goals between all of them, which isn't good enough. None are the creative type and BBD and Canon are also very selfish strikers. I don't think that balance is tight but we've been playing one up top most of the season and they've often been isolated.

What we need is ball-winning CMs who control midfield, protect the defence, break up play and then give the ball to one of our creative players.

We need to move the ball quickly. Be more direct. Counter quickly. But we play in a way which slows things down. Takes an extra touch. Comes back inside. Allowing defences to regroup and then having a much more difficult task of breaking them down. We need to be braver. We need forwards to have better movement. Better anticipation.

What we need is a much better balance.

We've been at our best when the midfield have turned over play and then passed it quickly to Hamer or O'Hare to start an attack.
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I think this is a good assessment, i do think that apart from Hamer our creativity is limited and the ability of our players is not as good as you have suggested. I think Ohare, Burrows, Brooks & Rak Saki are both mid to top end championship level. There is an argument for Hamer being one of the best in the division (even he makes many errors). The others i’ve seen turn over possession, panic and make bad decisions too often. They are good at this level but not elite.

I do agree with the type of players you have mentioned. Basically a Tommy Doyle type, technically sound, composed and can break up play.
 
I think we’ve gone through plans A,B and C and are somewhere in the middle of the alphabet.

Injuries will did that to a plan.
 
We deserved a thumping we've been shite for a while. No doubt we will have a couple more strikers on board before next weekend !! Wilder gone by the summer.
 

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