Nigel Clough - Mr.Sheffield United.

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One of the few good things to come out of adversity is the learning gained from making mistakes. KM has made numerous mistakes since 2006 and no doubt has many regrets.

One big lesson he learned was not to throw more good money after bad. As a result he eventually found a new substantial investor and, to be fair, made it possible for the new man to come on board with a 50% shareholding and for any new money going towards building a future. As soon as the prince arrived with his new money the austerity era was no longer necessary and things changed drastically.

In the new scenario the new owner will have ambition to achieve Premier League status and the first couple of years have to be solid foundations on which to build the vision. The biggest single factor for footballing success is the team manager, critically not just for a short while though, but for years to come.

Looking from the outside what I see these past two months is the creation of a rare football club model where the football manager is one of a three pronged management team, this being the MD, the FD and the manager NC. In other big clubs there is usually a Director of Football or the like between the manager and the board.

I was surprised when NC was appointed and wondered how we had attracted him so soon after his big personal blow, being sacked from his beloved Derby County. Only after Winter departed and NC's old working colleague arrives do I get the picture. So now NC is one of a three man executive and his old buddy is one of the other two. Winter departing, no doubt at great expense for settlement, made that final piece of the jigsaw possible. Outside those three another vital cog is scouting and NC has installed his brother as Chief Scout.

KM has learned some lessons and/or the prince and/or his advisors know full well we need a good manager but not only that, we need continuity as well. In NC they have chosen a man with ability and a man who has demonstrated that he values loyalty and views his jobs as long term projects over his 15 year managerial career at only two clubs.

This matter of continuity over the next 5 years, indeed 10 years , has to be planned for. In a medium term project the big risk of starting the ball rolling and then losing a management team to another club is an obvious danger. Looking from the outside NC has been offered and has been granted massive power and control within the management structure and he has chosen his trusted main men.

It seems to me he runs the show and I welcome the vision and boldness of the club's owners. No doubt NC will be on good money and incentives, as will his management team. I wager these will be long term incentives and that NC is viewing another long term project with us. A key to success will be the prince's new money over a sensible period of time.

Most fans have been impressed with NC to date. He has a pedigree and a worthy CV. Whether he is big enough and good enough to elevate the club to the Premiership and keep them there, only time will tell. In our circumstances, I reckon we have exactly the right type of man, practical and down to earth, with a personality and approach which suits us. Added to that I think he might just have the capacity to take us where we hope to be and to be still with us when we get there.
 

It's worth noting that his brother scouted some proper shite at Derby (according to my mate at least).

Not every signing will be a winner. Even for Fergie, he spent big on utter toss like Kleberson and Djemba Djemba.

What this club needs is stability, and Clough brings that. He has a strong team ethic, as opposed to Weir's idea of getting individuals in and trying to integrate them into his system. So long as he gets us away from the relegation places, then he can plan for a tilt at promotion next season. We have a number of players capable of being part of this already, so it's down to Clough to add to that. I don't expect signings to be too flash, more dependable players with a solid background and good character.

Whether he is the man to get us back in the PL is at present immaterial. For now, I'm confident that Clough more than any of the other managers touted for the job is capable of getting us back to the Championship, if not next season (though I expect us to challenge) then the season after.
 
Clough and Sheffield United ,looks a great partnership like Morecambe and Wise , Ant and Dec , Peters and Lee ,Port and lemon ,x and hamster it just seems to fit.
 
One big lesson he learned was not to throw more good money after bad. As a result he eventually found a new substantial investor and, to be fair, made it possible for the new man to come on board with a 50% shareholding and for any new money going towards building a future. As soon as the prince arrived with his new money the austerity era was no longer necessary and things changed drastically.

This remains to be seen.

I am pleased with how Clough is doing so far, but I also remember that the same side who played so well at Villa produced one of the worst first halves I have ever seen 10 days earlier against Oldham.

This remains a poor squad (with a better manager) and if McCabe really has learned lessons I hope something is done about that in the transfer window. We shall see.
 
Early days but a promising start. He may well have more influence over the day-to-day running of the football side of things and even some control over the long-term objectives. But the tests of that will be backing his judgement in the transfer market and holding nerve when the sticky patch comes (McCabe et al have a poor record on that score).
 
It's worth noting that his brother scouted some proper shite at Derby (according to my mate at least).

Jeez, there's a proper cloughy love-in going on at the moment isn't there?

Based on Clough family scouting we just need to wait for the next Birtles to be found in Concord park
 
There's clear agreement that signing Clough was a good fit, as both club and manager need that sense of stability that I hope we've entered into. There's little point in thinking about the Premiership (and yes, I'm guilty of mentioning this in previous mails), simply put, there's so much that needs addressing now - securing our place in this division, providing Clough with the resources to re-build this squad, to remove many of the historical attitudes that have followed the club throughout it's decline, to be able to adopt a fresher, more relevant approach to the modern game, to recognise their supporters as an integral part of what makes this club the vital, viable community resource it should be, rather than as cattle who habitually turn up and are expected to part with their hard-earned cash.

Jim Phipps has recently asked fans of the club for their ideas about ticket prices for our next FA Cup match. No disrespect to Jim, he seems to have successfully adopted the role of conduit between the Prince and the supporters. But this type of imaginative interaction between club and supporters should extend far beyond a one-off match. After all, if memory serves me right, have the club ever asked it's supporters about pricing policy before?

My circumstance means that I'm unable to attend every home game. I wish that weren't the case, but that's how it is. I know the club currently grades specific games which is reflected in the price charged. How successful this is in attracting supporters I've no idea, but a more creative admission idea might be the difference between those who stay-away and making the fan base feel that the club care. As an experiment in creative gate admission, if proved successful, it might be the key to reacquainting fans who've lost the habit of attending home games with the match day experience.

Maybe I'm unrealistic, perhaps new ideas of trying to appeal to those who have drifted away from the club are not financially feasible. But in the wider picture of what we all want for this club we love, wouldn't it be worth considering, then implementing, a set of affordable ticket prices to get more bums on seats, even for a limited window?

If we ever do reach the Premiership, we all know that ticket prices will rise to levels that might cause a coronary. But by then, if the club have managed to secure a larger fan base, United might find, due to the prospect of seeing some of the world's great players, they have a ready made market for the battle ahead.

I've digressed slightly, but this is still relevant to what the club need to consider in the immediate future. We have a manager we all (well at least some of us) seem to have time for. We're all hoping he gets the backing of the board when it comes to signing players. I just hope the club can also show they have an understanding of their supporter's needs too. Always UTB
 
NC gets my vote as last Saturday was the first time in ages that me and Ken Junior finished a day where the football was infinitely better than the post match meal. We went to Kababbish in Moseley and it was fecking awful. DO NOT GO THERE
 
NC gets my vote as last Saturday was the first time in ages that me and Ken Junior finished a day where the football was infinitely better than the post match meal. We went to Kababbish in Moseley and it was fecking awful. DO NOT GO THERE
Shame - went there after the ODI was abandoned at Edgbaston in September and it was awesome. Mind you, a day on the ale beforehand might have helped.
 
Shame - went there after the ODI was abandoned at Edgbaston in September and it was awesome. Mind you, a day on the ale beforehand might have helped.

Not complaining too much given the performance on the pitch is what really matters on away days :)

Frequenting a Kebabbish when bladdered seems to be a trend it appears - it was a mate of mine that recommended it to me - he is a Villa fan and we were with him and his crowd before and after the game for a couple of jars and a piss take. Ken Jnr and I had planned on going into Sparkhill or there was one he spotted on t'interweb near the public baths in Moseley that had good reviews - more of a sweet shop affair if you know what those are (wish we had gone there - besides being crap, Kebabbish was a major 'trousers down' for what we had. Anyway I ripped into my mate again afterwards for the curry house suggestion and he admitted that he only visited there when pissed up too :(

There are some really good curry houses in Brum - but we don't tend to go in there too often so I never remember which one to go to. About the best one we know around here, south of the city (17 miles away from us) is the Castle Balti in Warwick.

Should have consulted SellyOakBlade - odds on he would know some dodgy places to go
 
One of the few good things to come out of adversity is the learning gained from making mistakes. KM has made numerous mistakes since 2006 and no doubt has many regrets.

One big lesson he learned was not to throw more good money after bad. As a result he eventually found a new substantial investor and, to be fair, made it possible for the new man to come on board with a 50% shareholding and for any new money going towards building a future. As soon as the prince arrived with his new money the austerity era was no longer necessary and things changed drastically.

In the new scenario the new owner will have ambition to achieve Premier League status and the first couple of years have to be solid foundations on which to build the vision. The biggest single factor for footballing success is the team manager, critically not just for a short while though, but for years to come.

Looking from the outside what I see these past two months is the creation of a rare football club model where the football manager is one of a three pronged management team, this being the MD, the FD and the manager NC. In other big clubs there is usually a Director of Football or the like between the manager and the board.

I was surprised when NC was appointed and wondered how we had attracted him so soon after his big personal blow, being sacked from his beloved Derby County. Only after Winter departed and NC's old working colleague arrives do I get the picture. So now NC is one of a three man executive and his old buddy is one of the other two. Winter departing, no doubt at great expense for settlement, made that final piece of the jigsaw possible. Outside those three another vital cog is scouting and NC has installed his brother as Chief Scout.

KM has learned some lessons and/or the prince and/or his advisors know full well we need a good manager but not only that, we need continuity as well. In NC they have chosen a man with ability and a man who has demonstrated that he values loyalty and views his jobs as long term projects over his 15 year managerial career at only two clubs.

This matter of continuity over the next 5 years, indeed 10 years , has to be planned for. In a medium term project the big risk of starting the ball rolling and then losing a management team to another club is an obvious danger. Looking from the outside NC has been offered and has been granted massive power and control within the management structure and he has chosen his trusted main men.

It seems to me he runs the show and I welcome the vision and boldness of the club's owners. No doubt NC will be on good money and incentives, as will his management team. I wager these will be long term incentives and that NC is viewing another long term project with us. A key to success will be the prince's new money over a sensible period of time.

Most fans have been impressed with NC to date. He has a pedigree and a worthy CV. Whether he is big enough and good enough to elevate the club to the Premiership and keep them there, only time will tell. In our circumstances, I reckon we have exactly the right type of man, practical and down to earth, with a personality and approach which suits us. Added to that I think he might just have the capacity to take us where we hope to be and to be still with us when we get there.
Appears to be a lot of supposition but we will find out in the next month on one point that is if the Prince is really going to invest. Whilst Clough has steadied the ship his he will be judged on the 1st task in which he has to succeed namely to avoid relegation which is why I seriously doubt he has been given the power you believe he has. Sit back and read the invective on here tomorrow and Sunday if we are back in the bottom 4.
 
Appears to be a lot of supposition but we will find out in the next month on one point that is if the Prince is really going to invest. Whilst Clough has steadied the ship his he will be judged on the 1st task in which he has to succeed namely to avoid relegation which is why I seriously doubt he has been given the power you believe he has. Sit back and read the invective on here tomorrow and Sunday if we are back in the bottom 4.

Hi ghandi, from what you've written, and to avoid disappointment on your part, NC has made it clear that the JTW will mainly consist of loans. I suppose that shouldn't rule out buying players, but Nigel has already stated that it's the summer when serious wheeling and dealing will happen.
 
There's clear agreement that signing Clough was a good fit, as both club and manager need that sense of stability that I hope we've entered into. There's little point in thinking about the Premiership (and yes, I'm guilty of mentioning this in previous mails), simply put, there's so much that needs addressing now - securing our place in this division, providing Clough with the resources to re-build this squad, to remove many of the historical attitudes that have followed the club throughout it's decline, to be able to adopt a fresher, more relevant approach to the modern game, to recognise their supporters as an integral part of what makes this club the vital, viable community resource it should be, rather than as cattle who habitually turn up and are expected to part with their hard-earned cash.

Jim Phipps has recently asked fans of the club for their ideas about ticket prices for our next FA Cup match. No disrespect to Jim, he seems to have successfully adopted the role of conduit between the Prince and the supporters. But this type of imaginative interaction between club and supporters should extend far beyond a one-off match. After all, if memory serves me right, have the club ever asked it's supporters about pricing policy before?

My circumstance means that I'm unable to attend every home game. I wish that weren't the case, but that's how it is. I know the club currently grades specific games which is reflected in the price charged. How successful this is in attracting supporters I've no idea, but a more creative admission idea might be the difference between those who stay-away and making the fan base feel that the club care. As an experiment in creative gate admission, if proved successful, it might be the key to reacquainting fans who've lost the habit of attending home games with the match day experience.

Maybe I'm unrealistic, perhaps new ideas of trying to appeal to those who have drifted away from the club are not financially feasible. But in the wider picture of what we all want for this club we love, wouldn't it be worth considering, then implementing, a set of affordable ticket prices to get more bums on seats, even for a limited window?

If we ever do reach the Premiership, we all know that ticket prices will rise to levels that might cause a coronary. But by then, if the club have managed to secure a larger fan base, United might find, due to the prospect of seeing some of the world's great players, they have a ready made market for the battle ahead.

I've digressed slightly, but this is still relevant to what the club need to consider in the immediate future. We have a manager we all (well at least some of us) seem to have time for. We're all hoping he gets the backing of the board when it comes to signing players. I just hope the club can also show they have an understanding of their supporter's needs too. Always UTB


I agree with the OP & this above.

My circumstances have drastically changed in the last year.

Couldnt the club maybe consider a 'pay as much as you can afford price' for a couple of games?

I know some clubs are doing this already & it has been a success. The idea being that the more well off fans will offset those less cash rich & money will be made on other sales such as merchandise & food.
 

Hi ghandi, from what you've written, and to avoid disappointment on your part, NC has made it clear that the JTW will mainly consist of loans. I suppose that shouldn't rule out buying players, but Nigel has already stated that it's the summer when serious wheeling and dealing will happen.
Which to me is an indication that the Prince's investment isn't all it is cracked up to be. People need to realise relegation has to be avoided and if the Prince was serious he would making sure Clough would be funded in the JTW. If you asked Clough if he would soooner have loans that permanent people in Jan, if he was allowed to give a straight answer I would be horrified if he said loans were the way to avoid relegation given how they have damaged us in the past.
 
Which to me is an indication that the Prince's investment isn't all it is cracked up to be. People need to realise relegation has to be avoided and if the Prince was serious he would making sure Clough would be funded in the JTW. If you asked Clough if he would soooner have loans that permanent people in Jan, if he was allowed to give a straight answer I would be horrified if he said loans were the way to avoid relegation given how they have damaged us in the past.

None of us can quite believe the prince is not too good to be true but the club is probably restricted by the Financial Fair Play Rules this month. As someone says above, we shall make most progress in the summer when we will (hopefully) see the colour of the prince's money.

Also permanent signings of good quality players are easier in summer than the January widow. Numerous contracts expire in the summer.
 
I agree with the OP & this above.

My circumstances have drastically changed in the last year.

Couldnt the club maybe consider a 'pay as much as you can afford price' for a couple of games?

I know some clubs are doing this already & it has been a success. The idea being that the more well off fans will offset those less cash rich & money will be made on other sales such as merchandise & food.

Agree with Kev Gee, there must be a way the creative element within the club can offer an affordable ticket price to those whose personal circumstance means they cannot currently attend matches? I'm not stupid and I know all systems are open to abuse, but if it meant going to the ticket office to validate a supporter's circumstance, and maybe this should include a maximum of two children too (I'm single by the way), then you'd think this would enable those who would otherwise miss games could then attend and support United. Just a thought, but the world we live in affects many of us who are in dire straits. I'm not expecting sympathy or emotional brownie points, but something that recognises that there are a portion of the club's fan-base who are simply too strapped for cash to do anything other than miss home games. UTB
 
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Not complaining too much given the performance on the pitch is what really matters on away days :)

Frequenting a Kebabbish when bladdered seems to be a trend it appears - it was a mate of mine that recommended it to me - he is a Villa fan and we were with him and his crowd before and after the game for a couple of jars and a piss take. Ken Jnr and I had planned on going into Sparkhill or there was one he spotted on t'interweb near the public baths in Moseley that had good reviews - more of a sweet shop affair if you know what those are (wish we had gone there - besides being crap, Kebabbish was a major 'trousers down' for what we had. Anyway I ripped into my mate again afterwards for the curry house suggestion and he admitted that he only visited there when pissed up too :(

There are some really good curry houses in Brum - but we don't tend to go in there too often so I never remember which one to go to. About the best one we know around here, south of the city (17 miles away from us) is the Castle Balti in Warwick.

Should have consulted SellyOakBlade - odds on he would know some dodgy places to go

If you were looking around Sparkhill way I'd have sent you to Al Faisals

http://www.alfaisal.co.uk/#

Had a couple of very good meals there...

Personally I tend to go to Sundarbon in Bournbrook

http://www.sundarbon.co.uk/
 
Doh. I tuned into this thread thinking I'd see a picture of our Nige in his speedo's flexing his pecs... :eek: :D
 
Which to me is an indication that the Prince's investment isn't all it is cracked up to be. People need to realise relegation has to be avoided and if the Prince was serious he would making sure Clough would be funded in the JTW. If you asked Clough if he would soooner have loans that permanent people in Jan, if he was allowed to give a straight answer I would be horrified if he said loans were the way to avoid relegation given how they have damaged us in the past.

I don't think that's the case mate. Apart from the FFP rules, I think that long-termism will be what's directing Clough's thinking. As has already been suggested, contractual issues will play a part in who's available, plus all clubs will be starting from a position of a clean slate - who they need to strengthen their squads, who they feel they can off-load, what offers are too good to turn down (don't forget, we live in times when clubs are answerable to bank managers who keep an eye on a club's overdraft), and what other factors influence a club to buy or sell.

For what it's worth, my take is that Cloughie will have made a decision about the strengths and weaknesses of the existing squad. It may not concur with who I think should or shouldn't remain, but Nigel is the manager and we have to invest trust that he'll do right by United. We all get a bit excited about certain players, and not always for constructive reasons, but Nigel knows his job, so it's best to let him get on with it. If he does bring in loans now, it may be with an eye to seeing how they perform and whether they're worth buying in the summer. To be honest, I think this whole question of who should be brought in will be best answered in about 18 months. By then we'll all know if the current good feeling about Nigel will be shared by those (and I include myself amongst them) who seem to consider Nigel as a good signing. UTB
 
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I think Nigel views us a great platform on which to build 'his club' from pretty much the ground up and I view him as the bloke to take the club forwards.
My main fear at the moment is relegation. Obviously hope Nigel and the lads can turn it round and start getting wins instead of draws to get us near safety as quickly as possible.

He's made a decent start with some encouraging signs and brought a bit of hope back to the club.

UTB!
 
I may be in a minority but I believe panic buying in January (and to a certain extent "panic selling") are not causes of great joy.

Prices are inflated, even players that you look like you've landed cheaply because they would be out of contract in the summer and would be "free", and clubs are very unlikely to let their better players go without a price hike (unless they are cash desperate, so maybe a Donny player, or Sheffield United :) ).
Much better to have a more considered approach to the whole operation in the summer for me. Get your targets chosen and strike at the end of the season for a productive pre-season and following campaign.

My major hope with the "game changing" money is that it appears at the correct time next May/June and we don't sit there saying "well the windows open until the end of August" when the rest are filling their boots.
 
I may be in a minority but I believe panic buying in January (and to a certain extent "panic selling") are not causes of great joy.

Prices are inflated, even players that you look like you've landed cheaply because they would be out of contract in the summer and would be "free", and clubs are very unlikely to let their better players go without a price hike (unless they are cash desperate, so maybe a Donny player, or Sheffield United :) ).
Much better to have a more considered approach to the whole operation in the summer for me. Get your targets chosen and strike at the end of the season for a productive pre-season and following campaign.

My major hope with the "game changing" money is that it appears at the correct time next May/June and we don't sit there saying "well the windows open until the end of August" when the rest are filling their boots.

I'd normally agree with you but in our case if we don't actually strengthen we could go down. This squad is awful and its a credit to Clough that we are doing what we are doing. That said we could be back in the bottom three come Saturday evening.

I think we should plan for major spending done in the Summer as you say but we need to spend on a goalscorer right now.
 
I think the most reassuring thing for me is how the board/Prince is listening to and financially backing the way Clough envisages success for the club. Previous (unsuccesful) scouting systems/structures have been dismantled and new people have been brought in by Clough so he can operate in an environment surrounded by people he knows and trusts, which in itself is conducive to success.

As far as transfer are concerned, I've been saying for months that the best work we can do during this window is the shite we move out. Sacking King, Westlake, Williams and sending out players to prove a point in Taylor, McGinty, McFadzean etc. is a good thing.

All we need to do now is add a striker who can almost guarantee a goal return of around 10+ from now until the end of the season and some defensive cover to the whole defensive line. If we can do that, i'm fairly confident of L1 survival.
 
If you were looking around Sparkhill way I'd have sent you to Al Faisals

http://www.alfaisal.co.uk/#

Had a couple of very good meals there...

Personally I tend to go to Sundarbon in Bournbrook

http://www.sundarbon.co.uk/

Al Faisals or Royal Al Faisals is where I have been before. They do the old "table Nan" there - mind you so does he Castle Balti. It's a good one that.
Not tried the Sundarbon. May give it a go sometime. Cheers Selly
 
Can someone confirm that this Clough man love thing going on is in the same style as the "Jim Phipps is Superman" stuff.?It's an in joke that I'm missing, right? Because we couldn't possibly getting so carried away by a few warm words and a slight upturn in form could we?

It's a serious question, BTW.

UTB
 
Can someone confirm that this Clough man love thing going on is in the same style as the "Jim Phipps is Superman" stuff.?It's an in joke that I'm missing, right? Because we couldn't possibly getting so carried away by a few warm words and a slight upturn in form could we?

Just shows yer 'ow desperut we 'ave become.

Having said that I do feel much more settled with Nige at the tiller
and after being more than a little cynical about the Yankishire lad - I have to confess to being a tad warmer to him these days.
 

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