Stadium Development

[alcoblade]

But then eventually your stadium becomes something akin to Millmoor

Not really true though - money is spent on maintaining and upgrading existing facilities - which is less costly.

I'm not arguing against the stadium being extended - there's a (debatable) case for it. However, JJBlade 's point doesn't make sense.

 

[The Fox]

You’re placing a lot of faith in a club that’s almost twice being sold to fraudsters, that they’ll have done a full analysis on this.

And we should care because we will be fans for life, those making the decisions at the club are unlikely to be doing so for life.

I suppose I trust the management team within the club to make good decisions. The commercial team didn't try to sell the club and it's not in thier interests to not maximise any revenue opportunity or do a bad job.

I spent many years in business and was always questioned on decisions as you should expect , the reasons weren't always obvious to lots as they didn't understand the context, restrictions or otherwise .
I don't suppose we're no different, we should always question but we have to accept that decisions are made in the best interests.

 

[John Street West Terrace]

Cannot see any sort of major stadium redevelopment in near or distant future if I’m honest , the protracted takeover saga says a lot about the lack of interest / financial interest in the club from outside parties & one things for sure is that it’s certainly not gonna come from our current owner .
That aside the only 2 sides of the ground that could be developed would require makor surgery in terms of The Kop & South Stand , doing either would significantly reduce the capacity for a long period of time .. other than a short term ground move ( god forbid ) which would be a complete non starter in the current financial climate .
Could be a shite site worse ( see S6 ) I’m content where I am .. UTB

 

[Sheffsteel]

That aside the only 2 sides of the ground that could be developed would require makor surgery in terms of The Kop & South Stand , doing either would significantly reduce the capacity for a long period of time .. other than a short term ground move ( god forbid ) which would be a complete non starter in the current financial climate .
Could be a shite site worse ( see S6 ) I’m content where I am .. UTB

Have you seen McCabe's plans?

McCabe explained that the big advantage of his plan is there would hardly be any reduction in capacity during building work
and he also said it wouldn't take long to complete, just 1 season + 2 Summers tagged on to the front and end of that season, so 18 months total.

Quite similar to how Liverpool expanded their Anfield Road stand (their away end).
They played matches and that stand was still being used in full on match day whilst they were building their upper tier.

 

[John Street West Terrace]

Have you seen McCabe's plans?

McCabe explained that the big advantage of his plan is there would hardly be any reduction in capacity during building work
and he also said it wouldn't take long to complete, just 1 season + 2 Summers tagged on to the front and end of that season, so 18 months total.

Quite similar to how Liverpool expanded their Anfield Road stand (their away end).
They played matches and that stand was still being used in full on match day whilst they were building their upper tier.

In fairness SS I haven’t so if this was possible then obviously the way forward

 

[dn5 shaun]

Whenever i go to Leeds or Manchester city centres on a saturday lunchtime, the places are heaving, no parking and trains are packed. In Sheffield, its empty, thats the root of the problem if both clubs want to return to the normal 40k plus gates of the past, then the council has got to do something to attract the shops and attractions that will make people want to go to the centre. Once they do, then investors in both clubs will see the markets and the returns their money will bring.

Not sure on council needing to do owt, it's both clubs that need proper investment and a sustained period in the Premier League to get people interested. Plus united need to make it easier for fans who want to go to the odd game to get tickets

 

[dn5 shaun]

In peace. Leeds supporters would argue they do have two teams - just that one is a Rugby League team, Attendances around 14,000.

Think Sheffield ice hockey team get 8-9k, and speedway gets around 3k then there's the basketball plus rugby league & union not to mention Yorkshires biggest attraction after blades .....Meadowall

 

[Gerritforud]

*Checks thread title....

I don't give a fuck whether they extend the stadium or not, This is a discussion about how it could be done, and how the club could attract new fans by not being a fucking retarded moron

 

[YES Blade]

In peace. Leeds supporters would argue they do have two teams - just that one is a Rugby League team, Attendances around 14,000.

I’m sure there are many fans that support both Leeds United and Leeds Rhinos, so it’s not really comparable to Sheffield having two football clubs competing against each other.

 

[Dnblade]

I’m sure there are many fans that support both Leeds United and Leeds Rhinos, so it’s not really comparable to Sheffield having two football clubs competing against each other.

Plus RL is played in the summer these days,so not the same comparison .

 

[Jon Bon II]

I was watching a season review yesterday, which just popped up on my feed, and was concerning the 1996/97 season. Anyway, they were talking about the opening of the new John Street Stand and the then Chairman, Mike McDonald, was saying how it was seen as an ambitious thing to do with average crowds of "...about 10, 12, 14,000." That seemed shockingly low, so I checked. I couldn't find the averages for the preceding years but the average attendance in 96/97 was just 16,638!

I think it's bollocks to believe that we'd never fill an improved, higher capacity stadium. I guess there were similar naysayers in 1996 asking what the point was, of building a new stand on John Street when we weren't even filling the other 3 sides of the ground. I'm glad the people in charge at the time didn't have that attitude. I dread to think where we'd be now if they had. Not saying that McDonald and Charles Green were saviours, far from it, but I'm glad they showed a bit of ambition to get the stadium improvement done.

 

[bladesmanluke]

Yep. It's shown time and time again across the football world that more people will come to watch a team in a bigger and better stadium

 

[s20Blade]

Could the corner between the kop and curry stand be filled in neatly or would it have to be like the corner opposite, a separate stand because of the rake presumably?

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

If it was up to me I’d knock the Kop down and fill the gap with 8-10 streetwise corners all done at different angles. Look mint that.

 

[Jon Bon II]

If it was up to me I’d knock the Kop down and fill the gap with 8-10 streetwise corners all done at different angles. Look mint that.

Are you the architect who designed the cheese grater car park in the city centre?

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

However, after thinking about their potential Leicester and Southampton, have gone from being clubs that could barely manage 12,000 attendances into one which will probably never see another sub 30,000 attendance ever again and have a waiting list for season tickets.

Southampton had over ten league fixtures last season that were sub 30,000, some as low as 26,000.

Leicester had a few as well.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Could the corner between the kop and curry stand be filled in neatly or would it have to be like the corner opposite, a separate stand because of the rake presumably?

I've always understood that an existing rake can be continued in a rebuild of an adjacent stand.

 

[sufc323]

If it was up to me I’d knock the Kop down and fill the gap with 8-10 streetwise corners all done at different angles. Look mint that.

Something like this would be great, Ricky and his signing section could be in the left one and the siddarn brigade could be in the right

 

[Sean Thornton]

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Something like this would be great, Ricky and his signing section could be in the left one and the siddarn brigade could be in the right

Going for a piss looks like it may upset a few though.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Going for a piss looks like it may upset a few though.

Any
Only for them (getting wet) down below, though

 

[Balham]

Yep. It's shown time and time again across the football world that more people will come to watch a team in a bigger and better stadium

Only if the team is relatively successful.

The Stadium of Light has a capacity of 48,707. It was opened in 1997 with a capacity of 42,000 but Sunderland had just been relegated from the Premier League. They yo-yoed for a the next decade so they're a good case study.


The season after they did well, attendances went up. When they did badly, including getting relegated, attendances drop. Same goes for any team (see also: Leeds United)

United could probably fill a 37-40k stadium with realistic ticket pricing if we were competitive in the Premier League (ie not abysmal as we have been for our last two visits). However, 32k is more than enough in the Championship.

 

[bladesmanluke]

Only if the team is relatively successful.

The Stadium of Light has a capacity of 48,707. It was opened in 1997 with a capacity of 42,000 but Sunderland had just been relegated from the Premier League. They yo-yoed for a the next decade so they're a good case study.

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The season after they did well, attendances went up. When they did badly, including getting relegated, attendances drop. Same goes for any team (see also: Leeds United)

United could probably fill a 37-40k stadium with realistic ticket pricing if we were competitive in the Premier League (ie not abysmal as we have been for our last two visits). However, 32k is more than enough in the Championship.

All I see there is that they didn't even fill Roker Park yet they built the Stadium of Light anyway and have got far bigger crowds every season since and for not even one of those years would their average crowd have fit into Roker Park.

Bigger, better stadium = much bigger crowds. Every single time

 

[JayGreen17]

All I see there is that they didn't even fill Roker Park yet they built the Stadium of Light anyway and have got far bigger crowds every season since and for not even one of those years would their average crowd have fit into Roker Park.

Bigger, better stadium = much bigger crowds. Every single time

Completely agree, people say(my it’s not needed are the kind of short sighted people you find moaning on the Star website when any new development is announced.

Build bigger - ALL businesses need to grow to survive and improve.

 

[KeyffSmyff]

All I see there is that they didn't even fill Roker Park yet they built the Stadium of Light anyway and have got far bigger crowds every season since and for not even one of those years would their average crowd have fit into Roker Park.

Bigger, better stadium = much bigger crowds. Every single time

TBF Roker Park was a right shite hole. Good crowd until they set about you.

 

[YES Blade]

TBF Roker Park was a right shite hole. Good crowd until they set about you.

By 2024 standards the Lane is pretty poor overall, with the Kop being a shit hole!

If we want to progress then major investment is needed, but we’ll probably continue to do nothing for the next 20 years or more.

 

[reedy63]

If you think Bramall Lane is poor and the kop a shithole. why do you go to games or should I say do you go at all.
The ground is fine I do agree the kop aint so good. I still go because I support the team and dont worry about the ground.
The Shithole is wendys ground.

 

[Charlieblade]

*Checks thread title....

OK.

You can have a new Kop with all the bells and whistles and no pillars spoiling the view.

Or you can have a partial rebuild of the team, with a squad including the promise of current academy players.
My bad. I was trying to link to comments by JJ Blade.

Apologies for any offence caused. Unintentional.
You can’t have both!

 

[YES Blade]

If you think Bramall Lane is poor and the kop a shithole. why do you go to games or should I say do you go at all.
The ground is fine I do agree the kop aint so good. I still go because I support the team and dont worry about the ground.
The Shithole is wendys ground.

That’s a bit of a daft comment, I obviously go to watch United and with them playing at Bramall Lane, I don’t have many options! What am I supposed to do? Just go to away matches? I’m obviously not going to stop going because the Lane is in a poor state these days.

So as long as we’re better than Wednesday that’s ok? What about trying to be better than the other 90 league clubs in this country? Or maybe even try and be better than some in Europe as well?

 

[Bladeloyal]

That’s a bit of a daft comment, I obviously go to watch United and with them playing at Bramall Lane, I don’t have many options! What am I supposed to do? Just go to away matches? I’m obviously not going to stop going because the Lane is in a poor state these days.

So as long as we’re better than Wednesday that’s ok? What about trying to be better than the other 90 league clubs in this country? Or maybe even try and be better than some in Europe as well?

Which parts are poor ,other from the lack of covered facilities on the kop , concourses and toilets on the other stands are first rate . corporate facilities are very very good .veiw from seats first class ,other than kop and kop corner .at the end of the day it's a football ground not a 4 star hotel ,oops we have one of those aswell

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Need a bigger capacity for pigs at home then.