Kieffer Moore…

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Think of him like a target man version of Didzy. Can you forgive him what he's not great at because of what else he offers?

He contributes effectively in his own way but if he was the complete package (clinical and ruthless in front of goal) he probably wouldn't be playing for us the The Championship.
 
Broomhall Blade said:
I agree with most of that.
And other players do need to make better decisions, we also need to improve our corners which at the minute we don't look like scoring from.
I am not criticising Moores effort it's is the fact he just never looks like scoring that’s concerning me especially when we are creating chances for him.
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Yep. For such an experienced striker at this level, he looks completely lost in front of goal at the moment. I think it will come good though...or at least I hope it will.
 
I like Moore for his work rate and he gives us a focal point . So you can see why Wilder rates him and plays him. My only worry is he seems to be already showing a lack of confidence in front of goal. It’s getting to him abit not scoring or even providing more goals for others. To be fair I do think O’Hare can be abit slow to join him in attack and get in the box for his crosses. So it’s not all Moores fault .
 
utd4ever said:
Strikers graveyard under Wilder. Not having a go at Wilder but his tactic surely uses the one up front as a foil for our attacking midfielders/Defenders.
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Absolutely.
Being up top on your own is a thankless task as it is, but our entire game plan for him is to bring O'hare, Hamer and the widemen into the game. He coves sooooo much ground.
 
I’m fed up of hearing ‘you don’t know football’ if you think he didn’t play well. Several chances fell down at him, how can it be classed as playing well when he spurns so many chances, or would be chances, just by making a bad decision?

If anyone can tell me they can honestly see more than 10 goals in Moore the way he’s playing they’re lying.
 
Slim Man said:
I’m fed up of hearing ‘you don’t know football’ if you think he didn’t play well. Several chances fell down at him, how can it be classed as playing well when he spurns so many chances, or would be chances, just by making a bad decision?

If anyone can tell me they can honestly see more than 10 goals in Moore the way he’s playing they’re lying.
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Ironically the people who usually throw the ‘you don’t know football’ phrase around usually come out with the most shite.
 
Really don't see why people are comparing Moore to Mcburnie, they're two completely different types of strikers, and neither of them are Target Men that tall strikers get labelled as.

Moore is a workhorse who leads the line and gets us up the pitch, and for 6'5 and 32 years old he's quick but does tire in the second half.

Mcburnie's best football with us was when he was playing in a 2 with Ndiaye, as Ndiaye was the one who got us up the pitch while Mcburnie made sure to get in and around the box to score.
 
Slim Man said:
I’m fed up of hearing ‘you don’t know football’ if you think he didn’t play well. Several chances fell down at him, how can it be classed as playing well when he spurns so many chances, or would be chances, just by making a bad decision?

If anyone can tell me they can honestly see more than 10 goals in Moore the way he’s playing they’re lying.
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03:35.
He's closed his man down brilliantly, a good touch has taken him into the area.
Inside of him, his only option - O'Hare - has made a run in between both defenders.
Moore selects the right option in firing it across goal in the hope it takes a goalbound touch from any of the three players.
Had O'Hare peeled off to the far post, or attacked the near post he probably has a chance of finishing.

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03:40
A great run in behind and Moore's broken free again.
The pass is OK but a lot still to do from Moore. His first touch is decent, but not perfect as it takes him away from goal a bit.
He's now straining to put a first time ball into the right area, which he manages.
O'Hare, once again, has found himself in between markers and not presenting as an easy option.
The delivery is cut out.

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03:58
Hamer runs towards goal.
Reading the situation, Moore makes an intelligent run across the box dragging multiple defenders with him.
This opens up space for Hamer, who almost finds the bottom corner.

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04:34.
An intelligent run from Moore and Hamer's picked him out.
Moore, back to goal, has no obvious passing option but spots O'Hare making a lung-busting run toward the box.
He tries to execute a tricky back heel into his path but doesn't get enough purchase on it. A creative, positive decision but slightly lacking in execution.
Either way, it would have been outrageous if it had come off and far from easy.

That's just the first half.

I've seen a lot of people referring to Moore as having "an easy option to slide someone in" or "making the wrong decision."
You're going to have to point it out to me, as I'm seeing some really good CF play working off very little.

I appreciate these debates will continue unless (or until) he starts scoring... but I'd challenge that the 3 lads behind him are usually cutting inside and trying to work an angle for themselves.
None of them are getting to the byline and feeding Moore in the six yard box.
 
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I think everyone must be seeing something that I’m not, as other than his hold up play I don’t think he’s been good at all. Chances at Hull, Watford and Derby see him loiter on the ball too long and not get a shot away, then the move breaks down.

At Hull some of his ideas, fuck me, shooting from half way when there’s players open, trying a 1-2 with COH instead of just having a shot. If Brewster does thoughts things he gets torn apart, why does Moore, a significantly more experienced striker at this level get a free pass?

If we’re playing this lone striker system we need back up for him as it’s not working or getting the best out of him. Brewster and Campbell wouldn’t be like for like replacements for that system too, both have good pace and are playing wide of the three.

Moore doesn’t even strike me as a poacher type either, like Archer / Sharp. His hold up play is excellent but he needs to improve for me.
 
CaptainMorgans said:



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From the video below 03:35.

I presume this is one of the "wrong decisions" being referred to.
He's closed his man down brilliantly, good touch has taken him to the byline and inside of him his only option - O'Hare - has made a run in between both defenders.
Moore selects the right option in firing it across goal in the hope it takes a goalbound touch off any of them.
Had O'Hare peeled off to the far post or attacked the near post he probablyhas a chance.

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Next one. 03:40
A great run in behind and Moore's broken free again.
The pass is OK but leaves a lot left to do from Moore whose first touch is decent, but takes him away from goal a bit. He's straining to put a first time ball into the right area.
O'Hare, once again, has found himself in between markers and not presenting as an easy option.
The delivery is cut out.

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Moments later: 03:58
Hamer runs towards goal. Reading the situation, Moore makes an intelligent run across the box dragging defenders with him. This opens up the space for Hamer who almost finds the bottom corner

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Next one: 04:34.
Another good run from Moore and Hamer's picked him out. Moore, with his back to goal has no obvious passing option but spots O'Hare making a lung-busting run into the box. He tries a tricky back heel to meet the oncoming O'Hare but doesn't get enough purchase on it. A creative, positive decision but slightly lacking in execution.

That's just the first half.

I've seen a lot of people referring to Moore as having "an easy option to slide someone in" or "making the wrong decision."
You're going to have to point it out to me, as I'm seeing some really good CF play working off very little.

I appreciate these debates will continue unless he starts scoring, but I'd challenge that the 3 lads behind him are usually cutting inside and trying to work and angle for themselves. None of them are getting to the byline and feeding Moore in the six yard box.
In lieu of that, Moore is having to sacrifice himself to try to tee them up. Which he is doing.
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Exactly, he's been really good in his overall play, needs to add goals obviously though
Criticism is baffling, shows a lack of knowledge of football IMO
 
CaptainMorgans said:



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03:35.
He's closed his man down brilliantly, a good touch has taken him into the area.
Inside of him, his only option - O'Hare - has made a run in between both defenders.
Moore selects the right option in firing it across goal in the hope it takes a goalbound touch from any of the three players.
Had O'Hare peeled off to the far post, or attacked the near post he probably has a chance of finishing.

View attachment 193269

03:40
A great run in behind and Moore's broken free again.
The pass is OK but a lot still to do from Moore. His first touch is decent, but not perfect as it takes him away from goal a bit.
He's now straining to put a first time ball into the right area, which he manages.
O'Hare, once again, has found himself in between markers and not presenting as an easy option.
The delivery is cut out.

View attachment 193270

03:58
Hamer runs towards goal.
Reading the situation, Moore makes an intelligent run across the box dragging multiple defenders with him.
This opens up space for Hamer, who almost finds the bottom corner.

View attachment 193271

04:34.
An intelligent run from Moore and Hamer's picked him out.
Moore, back to goal, has no obvious passing option but spots O'Hare making a lung-busting run toward the box.
He tries to execute a tricky back heel into his path but doesn't get enough purchase on it. A creative, positive decision but slightly lacking in execution.
Either way, it would have been outrageous if it had come off and far from easy.

That's just the first half.

I've seen a lot of people referring to Moore as having "an easy option to slide someone in" or "making the wrong decision."
You're going to have to point it out to me, as I'm seeing some really good CF play working off very little.

I appreciate these debates will continue unless he starts scoring, but I'd challenge that the 3 lads behind him are usually cutting inside and trying to work an angle for themselves. None of them are getting to the byline and feeding Moore in the six yard box.
In lieu of that, Moore is having to sacrifice himself to try to tee them up. Which he is doing.
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The ball across the goal was hip height. Awful decision. Knock it along the floor and it’s probably a goal.
 

Slim Man said:
The ball across the goal was hip height. Awful decision. Knock it along the floor and it’s probably a goal.
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Let's have another look then.
You think if Moore "knocks it along the floor"... from this position... it's "probably a goal."
There are two/three Derby players between the ball and O'Hare, one of them already on the floor trying to intercept...



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The only other option for Moore here is to dummy the cross, cut back and pass to Hamer.

But then we'd have a pile on of Blades saying he's not positive enough, slowed the attack down, should have squared it to O'Hare etc. etc.
 
CaptainMorgans said:
Let's have another look then.
You think if Moore "knocks it along the floor"... from this position... it's "probably a goal."
There are two/three Derby players between the ball and O'Hare, one of them already on the floor trying to intercept...

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You’re watching it on a screen. I was there at that end of the pitch. Hard along the floor it gets turned in.
 
Slim Man said:
You’re watching it on a screen. I was there at that end of the pitch. Hard along the floor it gets turned in.
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My view from yesterday's game.

You're talking nonsense to fit your agenda.
O'Hare was surrounded by Derby players.
Moore picking him out isn't anything like as easy as you're suggesting.

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He got a thankless job at the moment being the lone striker, But 1 thing for sure he's a great target man can hold the ball up well and bring others into the game better than McB in my view . he's also been brilliant in his defensive duties, 0hare has been a massive disappointment so far for me
 
fifty shades of blade said:
And just like that, Oli Mcburnie has turned into a prime Brian Deane for some on here. Fucks sake, my sides are splitting. If we kept him he would either have been injured or got sent off and banned by now.
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True every game that goes by McB seems to get better and better. I noticed he's still not scored for Las Palmas yet and yesterday was relegated to the subs bench.
Personally I was delighted to see the back of the useless, injury prone and undisciplined knob head.
 
I sympathise with both sides of the argument:

Yes, his general play is good. He’s strong, with a good touch and brings those around in really well.

Yes, his finishing and decision making has been pretty poor at times, and he should have had a few more goals at this point.

A striker’s primary job is to score goals, and he’s admittedly underachieving. He also has an important job of facilitating those around him, which he’s doing a great job of.

The key point though is this: We haven’t got any other realistic options to fit this system, so we may as well all move on to another debate, and cross our fingers that he finds a bit more composure.
 

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