Kieffer Moore…

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CaptainMorgans said:
The header was a very difficult chance.
I'm sure there'll be some statistican knocking about that can tell us the XG on it but I bet it was less than 5% probability of scoring.

The rest of the things you mention, I think I addressed. The cutbacks weren't simple at all and he did what he could with them.

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The header was virtually a free header he should have at least hit the target.
The one where I said he should have pulled it back still stands for me.
The one where he puts it across the box but it's slightly behind our player I agree after watching it again not alot he could have done better.
 
Hamandcheese said:
This is an option, a more likely one would just be dropping O'Hare to get more pace in the team
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controversial i know but i would give o 'hare a couple of games on the bench his first touch in the last 2 or 3 games has been poor and ive been a little disapointed with him after the hype on his arrival i would like to see hamer moved to that position
 
For me he's a rotational player just how Ipswich used him last season but he's all we've really got so we're havinh to play him week in week out. I honestly believe we'd see a better Moore if we had someone to share the role with him. Brewster and Campbell are not that player!
 
tazzy said:
He got a thankless job at the moment being the lone striker, But 1 thing for sure he's a great target man can hold the ball up well and bring others into the game better than McB in my view . he's also been brilliant in his defensive duties, 0hare has been a massive disappointment so far for me
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But will Wilder dare to drop O'Hare for fear of upsetting Hamer ?
 
Wilder’s comments at the end of the press conference summed it up brilliantly, I think Moore is going to click and start firing them in this season, but in the meantime, do we have to start getting on the back of our striker who’s played every game in a 4W2D unbeaten start?!
 
o'hare has been dissapointing for me as well but dont think hes quite suited to the role hes being asked to play i actually think it might be worth a try to switch him and hamer round i might be wrong but think o'hare played slightly deeper at coventry
 
ancientblade said:
o'hare has been dissapointing for me as well but dont think hes quite suited to the role hes being asked to play i actually think it might be worth a try to switch him and hamer round i might be wrong but think o'hare played slightly deeper at coventry
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I feel like o’hare is playing in the perfect position for him, but agree he’s been slightly disappointing. He’s a flair player though so is bound to have some ups and downs. I wouldn’t be too upset to see him on the bench for a game or two and to come on after 65 to attack a tired defence.

There’s no way I’d be moving Hamer though. He’s currently the best player in the division and has four goals from the left wing in 6 games. I’m sure that’s exactly what wilder was hoping for - to basically maximise the opportunity for Hamer to come in onto his right foot within shooting distance.

Wouldn’t be against trying JRS in the ten role and brooks on the right, with Hamer staying on the left.
 
SGBlade said:
I feel like o’hare is playing in the perfect position for him, but agree he’s been slightly disappointing. He’s a flair player though so is bound to have some ups and downs. I wouldn’t be too upset to see him on the bench for a game or two and to come on after 65 to attack a tired defence.

There’s no way I’d be moving Hamer though. He’s currently the best player in the division and has four goals from the left wing in 6 games. I’m sure that’s exactly what wilder was hoping for - to basically maximise the opportunity for Hamer to come in onto his right foot within shooting distance.

Wouldn’t be against trying JRS in the ten role and brooks on the right, with Hamer staying on the left.
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I can’t see JRS as a 10, not yet anyway. Of the 2 I think that Brooks would be better suited.
 
uptheblades12 said:
Wilder’s comments at the end of the press conference summed it up brilliantly, I think Moore is going to click and start firing them in this season, but in the meantime, do we have to start getting on the back of our striker who’s played every game in a 4W2D unbeaten start?!
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The problem is we are getting away with it at the moment because our midfielders are bailing us out. We were the best side against Derby but it took a great free kick to get us the points.
He certainly puts a shift in but its not like he hasn't had chances, but he just dosent look like a natural goal score to me.
Lack of goals from our Strikers is what will cost us top two in my opinion.
With the takeover apparently not happening I cannot see us signing anyone in January either with the Prince still in charge, unless we sold someone which would be absolute madness.
He needs to step up because our midfielders are not going to keep scoring every week especially with one now injured.
 
Broomhall Blade said:
The problem is we are getting away with it at the moment because our midfielders are bailing us out. We were the best side against Derby but it took a great free kick to get us the points.
He certainly puts a shift in but its not like he hasn't had chances, but he just dosent look like a natural goal score to me.
Lack of goals from our Strikers is what will cost us top two in my opinion.
With the takeover apparently not happening I cannot see us signing anyone in January either with the Prince still in charge, unless we sold someone which would be absolute madness.
He needs to step up because our midfielders are not going to keep scoring every week especially with one now injured.
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I get your point but I’d argue the reason the midfielders are doing so well is because of his presence, work rate and work off the ball. Wilder made the point of “ask Hamer and O’Hare what they think of Moore” saying that he’s giving them the platform to play as freely as they are.
 

uptheblades12 said:
I get your point but I’d argue the reason the midfielders are doing so well is because of his presence, work rate and work off the ball. Wilder made the point of “ask Hamer and O’Hare what they think of Moore” saying that he’s giving them the platform to play as freely as they are.
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That may be true, but there were a few times last weekend that Hamer gave Moore a very annoyed looking glare
 
Caseh said:
That may be true, but there were a few times last weekend that Hamer gave Moore a very annoyed looking glare
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The opposite is true as well though. There's a few occasions where Kieffer has made a nice onside run through the backline and they don't drop an easy ball through for him.
 
We can't carry on the way we are up front. This just doesn't work. We haven't scored enough, Moore hasn't scored enough. 1 in 7 is awful. He'll know it. But it's hardly a surprise because all our approach play is basically begging for exactly the opposite kind of striker. So as a result Moore's been a hindrance for a lot of attacks this season

What do we do when Hamer stops scoring every game? Well, we saw today what happens

O'Hare has also been a disappointment and should now be dropped

Wilder has to rotate these 2 players. Starting them every game is not the correct approach. It was no surprise to see OHare do absolutely nothing today

Will Campbell ever be ready? And Brewster? We need to think about starting these 2 as a pair of flexible forwards to allow for a more fluid, mobile attack. But what a shame we don't have better options. We'll regret it
 
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VictoryBlade said:
Get off his back Like Wilder says. I think he's playing well and making openings for other players. Just give him a break. Why do we always look for a scapegoat???
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Don't think anyone is making him a scapegoat he does work his socks off, but not scoring goals is a major drawback when you are supposedly your clubs main Striker.
 
Last week I questioned what Jack Lester was doing with the strikers during the week. The Inside Shirecliffe video devoted half its coverage to Jack working with the strikers.

I really thought it would pay off this week. Unfortunately for the first time this season we fail to score. It seems to raise even more questions.
 
Hamandcheese said:
We can't carry on the way we are up front. This just doesn't work. We haven't scored enough, Moore hasn't scored enough. 1 in 7 is awful. He'll know it. But it's hardly a surprise because all our approach play is basically begging for exactly the opposite kind of striker. So as a result Moore's been a hindrance for a lot of attacks this season

What do we do when Hamer stops scoring every game? Well, we saw today what happens

O'Hare has also been a disappointment and should now be dropped

Wilder has to rotate these 2 players. Starting them every game is not the correct approach. It was no surprise to see OHare do absolutely nothing today

Will Campbell ever be ready? And Brewster? We need to think about starting these 2 as a pair of flexible forwards to allow for a more fluid, mobile attack. But what a shame we don't have better options. We'll regret it
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I think the wrong kind of striker is the nail on the head. I always got the feeling Moore wasn't supposed to be the main man.
 
Our forward line is not producing the goals that our play merits.
Those who are concerned about Moore's lack of goals are not making him a scapegoat.
They are just highlighting an important problem which holds us back.
Surely Wilder ought to have recognised this by now.
Neither Moore nor O'Hare are proving to be effective.
C'mon Chris , make some changes.
Get Brewster & Campbell involved in some way and/or rethink your shape , maybe 433.
Don't keep playing the same and expecting the goals to come.
We aren't enough of a goal threat.
 
He brings quality to the team, links play, pulls defenders and makes intelligent runs (though I find he runs to the wing quite a lot?) he bullies defenders more often than not. But hes woefully inept at finishing the chances he does get. Does absolutely everything outside score. Almost feels he’s scared or reluctant to pull the trigger.

Think he needs a period on the sideline, stick Campbell up top, Hamer centrally, and O’Hare/Brooks on the left. Hamer is utterly wasted on the wing. Said it countless times, we’re playing the best midfielder in the league out wide, allowing him to drift inside, whilst O’Hare drifts out wide? Surely it makes more sense to swap them out?
 
Danetheblade said:
He brings quality to the team, links play, pulls defenders and makes intelligent runs (though I find he runs to the wing quite a lot?) he bullies defenders more often than not. But hes woefully inept at finishing the chances he does get. Does absolutely everything outside score. Almost feels he’s scared or reluctant to pull the trigger.

Think he needs a period on the sideline, stick Campbell up top, Hamer centrally, and O’Hare/Brooks on the left. Hamer is utterly wasted on the wing. Said it countless times, we’re playing the best midfielder in the league out wide, allowing him to drift inside, whilst O’Hare drifts out wide? Surely it makes more sense to swap them out?
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Couldn’t disagree anymore. On pretty much every single point.

Moore today he had zero chances, and I only really remember him missing one really good chance (excluding the penalty) when he dragged it back onto right foot. Strikers miss chances but the scrutiny is something I’ve not seen aimed at a sufc player for many a year.

Hamer is instrumental in our side. He’s scoring goals and getting assist from the left. Today’s best chance falls to him again. Centrally now teams set up with 2 sitting midfielders so there is little to no space. I want Hamer in space where he’s effective which is what we are seeing.
 
Hamandcheese said:
We can't carry on the way we are up front. This just doesn't work. We haven't scored enough, Moore hasn't scored enough. 1 in 7 is awful. He'll know it. But it's hardly a surprise because all our approach play is basically begging for exactly the opposite kind of striker. So as a result Moore's been a hindrance for a lot of attacks this season

What do we do when Hamer stops scoring every game? Well, we saw today what happens

O'Hare has also been a disappointment and should now be dropped

Wilder has to rotate these 2 players. Starting them every game is not the correct approach. It was no surprise to see OHare do absolutely nothing today

Will Campbell ever be ready? And Brewster? We need to think about starting these 2 as a pair of flexible forwards to allow for a more fluid, mobile attack. But what a shame we don't have better options. We'll regret it
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just dont think the o'hare/moore partnership is working think o'hare is better attacking from deeper positions and moore im sure would be better playing in a 2 up top its certainly a poser for wilder and knill but something has to change in the final 3rd weve two thirds of a top 2 team i think we need 2 strikers to come in in january
 

Keen Blade said:
Our forward line is not producing the goals that our play merits.
Those who are concerned about Moore's lack of goals are not making him a scapegoat.
They are just highlighting an important problem which holds us back.
Surely Wilder ought to have recognised this by now.
Neither Moore nor O'Hare are proving to be effective.
C'mon Chris , make some changes.
Get Brewster & Campbell involved in some way and/or rethink your shape , maybe 433.
Don't keep playing the same and expecting the goals to come.
We aren't enough of a goal threat.
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We'd be a bigger goal threat in a 3-4-3 and probably no worse defensively

Cooper
Gilchrist Souttar Anel
Seriki Peck Souza Burrows
Sakyi Hamer
Moore

2 bodies up there next to Moore as well as more natural width and a greater source of crosses into the box. Burrows has got nowhere near an assist from open play. That's ridiculous and has to change. Seriki would give a different attacking dimension and his pace alone would also give that side of the defence a very solid look, with Gilchrist in his ideal position and not needing to be subbed before 70 mins every game
 
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