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I'd have him over any other candidates. Wouldn't even moan about his missus being on the team bus... mihd you she would probably get a starting shirt
 
I wouldn't want Holloway, apart from his Blackpool side, to the best of my recollection he has previously been consistently bobbins.

Besides that, he's not wired up right, always gobbling off and deliberately courting controversy with his bizarre after match ramblings.

I'd like a manager who quietly goes about his business and is happy to let a successful Sheffield United team be the centre of attention and do his talking for him. Which is not what that gobshite egotistical West Country twat is about.

So I'm afraid it'll have to be a no from me. Sorry Ian.
 
He's not a big fan of Sheffield United, anyway.

Mate of mine met him at some function at BDTBL a couple of years ago and he was personally less-than-charitable about our club. Mind you, everything he said was spot on.

"Apart from winning the fourth division in the 80s, what exactly has Sheffield United done in the last 50 years? Being as you lot are such a massive club and don't mind telling people you are?"

You can't really argue against that, can you?

pommpey
 
Sothall_Blade said:
I agree we should and most will.

Would you have got behind Steve Evans or Paul Cox or Chris Morgan?
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I got behind Mickey Adams and even Monty, believe it or not - on match days. Yes I would get behind them until the end of the season but I would privately believe they were setting the club back. I would then, unless they proved me dramatically wrong, not renew my season ticket in the Summer.

I would draw the line at Blackwell, though. Never, ever again.

I've been an active Blade for 50 years now. I feel they owe me a few years good football!
 
But you wanted United to lose on Saturday so that Morgan could be hounded out of the club. Doesn't really tie in with your comments above does it?
 
Sothall_Blade said:
But you wanted United to lose on Saturday so that Morgan could be hounded out of the club. Doesn't really tie in with your comments above does it?
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When did I say I wanted us to lose? I don't believe I did say it, because I wanted us to win, of course. I was certainly concerned, though, that a win would set a naive Bladey bandwagon in motion. In fact I predicted it.

I don't think Morgan will make a manager and I don't think one win changes that at all. I well remember all the plaudits after Swindon last season and smug 'egg on face?' rhetoric to those of us who were sceptical (to say the least) about him. Well, Egg on Face it proved to be, but not mine.

You know, Sheffield United don't owe Chris Morgan a job for life. He's been well paid for his sterling efforts as a player. As a coach he's failed to impress. Let's remember he got the job as part of economy measures, not on merit.

I think he'll be as limited a manager as he was a player. Fierce determination, commitment and 'never say die' are commendable attributes but they only go so far. There comes a time when there is no substitute for ability.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, would be suggesting Morgan for manager, coach or anything else if he'd had exactly the same career, but at some other club.

SUFC are absolutely right to finally drag ourselves into the world of proper football. The DW experience does not diminish that essential principle one iota. That's why it's irritating to hear calls for Warnock, Pulis and the like. Do people choose not to listen? Do they really want to turn back to tired, outdated ways? Hopefully the club will not do so. If they do, they'll turn back without me.

Yes, I know many of you will think that's a price worth paying.
 
Pinchy said:
When did I say I wanted us to lose? I don't believe I did say it, because I wanted us to win, of course. I was certainly concerned, though, that a win would set a naive Bladey bandwagon in motion. In fact I predicted it.

I don't think Morgan will make a manager and I don't think one win changes that at all. I well remember all the plaudits after Swindon last season and smug 'egg on face?' rhetoric to those of us who were sceptical (to say the least) about him. Well, Egg on Face it proved to be, but not mine.

You know, Sheffield United don't owe Chris Morgan a job for life. He's been well paid for his sterling efforts as a player. As a coach he's failed to impress. Let's remember he got the job as part of economy measures, not on merit.

I think he'll be as limited a manager as he was a player. Fierce determination, commitment and 'never say die' are commendable attributes but they only go so far. There comes a time when there is no substitute for ability.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, would be suggesting Morgan for manager, coach or anything else if he'd had exactly the same career, but at some other club.

SUFC are absolutely right to finally drag ourselves into the world of proper football. The DW experience does not diminish that essential principle one iota. That's why it's irritating to hear calls for Warnock, Pulis and the like. Do people choose not to listen? Do they really want to turn back to tired, outdated ways? Hopefully the club will not do so. If they do, they'll turn back without me.

Yes, I know many of you will think that's a price worth paying.
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Does the fact that Weir has brought the club to the lowest point in its near 125 year history not give you any pause for thought? Please answer without sarcasm, mockery, setting up of straw men or ad hominem attacks.
 
Darren said:
Does the fact that Weir has brought the club to the lowest point in its near 125 year history not give you any pause for thought? Please answer without sarcasm, mockery, setting up of straw men or ad hominem attacks.
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Had I known what 'ad hominem' meant I might have been tempted to reply to this.
 
Pinchy said:
well remember all the plaudits after Swindon last season and smug 'egg on face?' rhetoric to those of us who were sceptical (to say the least) about him. Well, Egg on Face it proved to be, but not mine..
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You wouldn't know, you've got a 6 foot thick omlette on your face after David Weir's tenure.

UTB
 
Pinchy said:
SUFC are absolutely right to finally drag ourselves into the world of proper football. The DW experience does not diminish that essential principle one iota. That's why it's irritating to hear calls for Warnock, Pulis and the like. Do people choose not to listen? Do they really want to turn back to tired, outdated ways? Hopefully the club will not do so. If they do, they'll turn back without me.

Yes, I know many of you will think that's a price worth paying.
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There is a majority, I suspect, who are glad the pendulum has swung away from the Bassett / Blackwell side. Most are happy for us to play more football. You seem to suggest anything that's not in line with a candidate of yours is a cry for Pulis.

We shouldn't need to argue about what type of football is succcessful over different times. We have league tables and statisitics for it. That's why I would choose a manager whpo has proven to be able to do it - Evans, Cox, Johnson. They can't be hoofers, because they are successful, and they don't go together, right?

Lots of people agree, the stats back up this notion, yet you lump it all in the "cry for hoof" basket. When will you at least open up to some alternative to the one that you've deicided we must need, in the face of all objective evidence?


UTB
 

Darren said:
Does the fact that Weir has brought the club to the lowest point in its near 125 year history not give you any pause for thought? Please answer without sarcasm, mockery, setting up of straw men or ad hominem attacks.
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About Weir? Yes, of course. It makes me think he didn't get it right first time (well, actually he did, it was the second to tenth times that were the problem!) but will learn from the experience. As to proper football, it makes me pause not for a fraction of a second.

If John Coltrane plays a bad note, I don't throw away all my Miles Davis albums!
 
Pinchy said:
About Weir? Yes, of course. It makes me think he didn't get it right first time (well, actually he did, it was the second to tenth times that were the problem!) but will learn from the experience. As to proper football, it makes me pause not for a fraction of a second.

If John Coltrane plays a bad note, I don't throw away all my Miles Davis albums!
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You wouldn't know if Coltrane played a bad note because if he did they would make another take and that take would be on the album you'd just listened to.
 
Pinchy said:
When did I say I wanted us to lose? I don't believe I did say it, because I wanted us to win, of course
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http://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/jim-phipps-interview.31637/page-2#post-535185

You said it at least twice in the "Jim Phipps interview" thread:-

“...and land old Upanatem 'Morgs' the job? I think we can stand one more defeat.”

“If a victory delivered Morgan as manager? You bet. As a manager or coach, he is rhubarb. He'll be on his way before the end of the season and quite right too.”
 
Holloway's had his glory period. He was a prime example of someone taking stock of where he'd gone wrong and doing something about it but I don't think he'll ever replicate the season he took Blackpool up in terms of the group of players he had, the luck with injuries and the way everything clicked into place. Unfortunately for him, people have got his teams sussed now and he doesn't seem to know what to do. Don't forget he almost snatched defeat from victory with Palace last season in the last few months and it was only a stoic defensive game, purely designed to stop Watford playing that took them up, not the free-flowing football of old.
 
Sothall_Blade said:
http://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/jim-phipps-interview.31637/page-2#post-535185

You said it at least twice in the "Jim Phipps interview" thread:-

“...and land old Upanatem 'Morgs' the job? I think we can stand one more defeat.”

“If a victory delivered Morgan as manager? You bet. As a manager or coach, he is rhubarb. He'll be on his way before the end of the season and quite right too.”
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QED.

I can sense a straw man arriving shortly............

UTB
 
GRUMPY BLADE said:
You wouldn't know if Coltrane played a bad note because if he did they would make another take and that take would be on the album you'd just listened to.
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Coltrane play a 'bad note'?

Never happened. And even if you could by any stretch of the imagination say he did hit a blue note, the next three or four would 'correct' it.
 
Pinchy said:
About Weir? Yes, of course. It makes me think he didn't get it right first time (well, actually he did, it was the second to tenth times that were the problem!) but will learn from the experience.
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Given Weir showed precisely zero inclination to learn from games 2-10, what on earth makes you think he will learn anything frop the experience as a whole?
 
Pinchy said:
When did I say I wanted us to lose? I don't believe I did say it, because I wanted us to win, of course. I was certainly concerned, though, that a win would set a naive Bladey bandwagon in motion. In fact I predicted it.

I don't think Morgan will make a manager and I don't think one win changes that at all. I well remember all the plaudits after Swindon last season and smug 'egg on face?' rhetoric to those of us who were sceptical (to say the least) about him. Well, Egg on Face it proved to be, but not mine.

You know, Sheffield United don't owe Chris Morgan a job for life. He's been well paid for his sterling efforts as a player. As a coach he's failed to impress. Let's remember he got the job as part of economy measures, not on merit.

I think he'll be as limited a manager as he was a player. Fierce determination, commitment and 'never say die' are commendable attributes but they only go so far. There comes a time when there is no substitute for ability.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, would be suggesting Morgan for manager, coach or anything else if he'd had exactly the same career, but at some other club.

SUFC are absolutely right to finally drag ourselves into the world of proper football. The DW experience does not diminish that essential principle one iota. That's why it's irritating to hear calls for Warnock, Pulis and the like. Do people choose not to listen? Do they really want to turn back to tired, outdated ways? Hopefully the club will not do so. If they do, they'll turn back without me.

Yes, I know many of you will think that's a price worth paying.
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We would definitely have a better chance of promotion and some success under Pulis.....up and at 'em!
 
Pinchy said:
I don't think Morgan will make a manager and I don't think one win changes that at all. I well remember all the plaudits after Swindon last season and smug 'egg on face?' rhetoric to those of us who were sceptical (to say the least) about him. Well, Egg on Face it proved to be, but not mine.

You know, Sheffield United don't owe Chris Morgan a job for life. He's been well paid for his sterling efforts as a player. As a coach he's failed to impress. Let's remember he got the job as part of economy measures, not on merit.

I think he'll be as limited a manager as he was a player. Fierce determination, commitment and 'never say die' are commendable attributes but they only go so far. There comes a time when there is no substitute for ability.
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I don't want Morgan to be our permanent manager either.
I've said all along I want an experienced manager with a good track record, that's not Morgan.
The new first team manager should also be allowed to bring in his own trusted men to work with the first team.

That doesn't mean that Morgan deserves to lose his job as U21 Coach.
Are we going to change the entire Academy staff every time we change manager?
Should we have booted Pemberton out too when we sacked Adams?
No, we need as much stability as possible in the Academy and Morgan should stay in his post there.
 
1889 said:
I wouldn't want Holloway, apart from his Blackpool side, to the best of my recollection he has previously been consistently bobbins.
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And so it goes on. There isn't a single manager out there who is going to get even 50% approval, but what do we do?

In other news:

Warnock to take up role as Birmingham City Director of Football if Gianni Paladini successfully purchases the club. Link

And Graham Souness (how the fuck did he not get a mention in our endless list of flops potential managers?) is linked with Middlesbrough.

Now what about Tony Mowbray....?
 
Pinchy said:
About Weir? Yes, of course. It makes me think he didn't get it right first time (well, actually he did, it was the second to tenth times that were the problem!) but will learn from the experience. As to proper football, it makes me pause not for a fraction of a second.

If John Coltrane plays a bad note, I don't throw away all my Miles Davis albums!
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Weir played more than one bad note. He pretty much blew up the recording studio.:)
 
1889 said:
I wouldn't want Holloway, apart from his Blackpool side, to the best of my recollection he has previously been consistently bobbins.

Besides that, he's not wired up right, always gobbling off and deliberately courting controversy with his bizarre after match ramblings.

I'd like a manager who quietly goes about his business and is happy to let a successful Sheffield United team be the centre of attention and do his talking for him. Which is not what that gobshite egotistical West Country twat is about.

So I'm afraid it'll have to be a no from me. Sorry Ian.
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Lots of passion on the touchline though. The number one vital quality for any successful manager, that silly arm-waving stuff. It has turned the course of many a game. I can well remember both Naughton and Kilgallon being so inspired by managerial touchline hysteria that they told the ridiculous gobshite in question to Fuck Off.
 

Sothall_Blade said:
I don't want Morgan to be our permanent manager either.
I've said all along I want an experienced manager with a good track record, that's not Morgan.
The new first team manager should also be allowed to bring in his own trusted men to work with the first team.

That doesn't mean that Morgan deserves to lose his job as U21 Coach.
Are we going to change the entire Academy staff every time we change manager?
Should we have booted Pemberton out too when we sacked Adams?
No, we need as much stability as possible in the Academy and Morgan should stay in his post there.
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Don't we also need all the players, at whatever level, to be schooled in the same methods? That might be a problem.
 
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