Peck Souza

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IdLiketoRogerMoore said:
Absolutely. The ubiquitous moronic 'needs a League One loan' brigade are out in force once again.

As you point out he may well be playing league one football, but he'll be training alongside league one players, in a league one training programme and chances are he'll turn into a league one player...

He'll be better served playing with players with PL experience, with a coaching team that will be setting the tone for the short/medium term and getting valuable experience training and playing with the players he'll be around for years.
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The difference being, Rooney was able to drop straight into their starting XI and improve it.
Peck is still raw and doesn't look ready to be relied upon at this level.

Did it harm Arblaster going to Port Vale?
 
CaptainMorgans said:
The difference being, Rooney was able to drop straight into their starting XI and improve it.
Peck is still raw and doesn't look ready to be relied upon at this level.

Did it harm Arblaster going to Port Vale?
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So playing in League One will get him ready? To quote the great philosopher Eddie Hitler: "utter utter bollocks'.

I'd argue it did harm Arblaster playing in League One. He'd have learnt more being around the PL and coming off the bench in early season games.

To try to engage you in your own argument, I'd suggest playing half a season in the PL has been much better for his development, so why don't we see if a PL could take Peck?

Like Swiss says, it's about mentality and if you want to be elite, you learn very little being around those who are levels below you... Peck would be wasting his time in League One. His development would be much better served with Wilder whispering in his ear every day that Sousa is saying Peck is ugly and his car is shit and his girlfriend a munter...
 
Takes Sousa longer to turn than Harry Maguire 🤭 He gets caught on the ball too many times.
 
Peck is loaned out to League 1 and all goes to plan and we find ourselves in the Premiership next season.
Then what. Will we loan him out to a Championship team?
Or expect him to step up two divisions, to the Premiership hotbed helping us fight off automatic relegation?
 
Th!stledo said:
Peck is loaned out to League 1 and all goes to plan and we find ourselves in the Premiership next season.
Then what. Will we loan him out to a Championship team?
Or expect him to step up two divisions, to the Premiership hotbed helping us fight off automatic relegation?
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Worked for Arblaster.
 
Most players have a loanstint before entering the senioryears. Some need more than half a season playing adult soccer. Peck won't play much if he stays unless we loose players. Management do know a lot more than our speculations. Think we've come a long way developing our own players so leave it with them to decide. Pity there is no longer a reservesleague as rest of europe.
 
Berkshire Blade said:
Worked for Arblaster.
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  • He was injured early December and didn't make an appearance for us till early March.
  • Our paper-thin squad was possibly one of the worse to grace the Premiership, so easy decision to give him game time.
  • Arblaster is the exception rather than the rule and succeeded in spite of rather than because of his League 1 loan experience.
I'm guessing this is not the scenario that we would like to be repeated with Peck?
 
Th!stledo said:
  • He was injured early December and didn't make an appearance for us till early March.
  • Our paper-thin squad was possibly one of the worse to grace the Premiership, so easy decision to give him game time.
  • Arblaster is the exception rather than the rule and succeeded in spite of rather than because of his League 1 loan experience.
I'm guessing this is not the scenario that we would like to be repeated with Peck?
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Rather he played than sat on the bench. Last night was against a stronger level than Wrexham reserves and he didn't do as well. Let him play and learn.
 
Nobody can know if he's ready yet, it's a call to be made by those that actually know what they're doing.

Everyone expressing certainty that it's definitely the best thing for him to have a loan, or that it's absolutely the wrong decision, look dumb.
 

IdLiketoRogerMoore said:
Absolutely. The ubiquitous moronic 'needs a League One loan' brigade are out in force once again.

As you point out he may well be playing league one football, but he'll be training alongside league one players, in a league one training programme and chances are he'll turn into a league one player...

He'll be better served playing with players with PL experience, with a coaching team that will be setting the tone for the short/medium term and getting valuable experience training and playing with the players he'll be around for years.
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Gonna have to disagree…

Maguire
Walker
Naughton
N’Diaye
Arblaster
RND
Jebbison
Lowton
Long
Whiteman
Ramsdale

Etc etc etc etc

I’m sure there the odd one or two (Jagielka?), but the large majority of our best young talents, who’ve forged successful careers in recent years have done loans as part of there development.

If Peck is being developed in red and white, we’ve got to accept him blowing hot and cold at times to the detriment of the team. Or the rarest of chance he excels from the off and I’ll gladly eat my words.

The counter is a short term loan to see if he develops and excels at a slightly lower level. He does well, great will come back a better player. He doesn’t thrive then, won’t have been good enough for first team minutes with us anyway.

Arblaster is the perfect template, with the Short term loan being excellent for his development and set him up to command a first team place.
 
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