CONFIRMED Souza off!?

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While this does on the face of it appear bonkers, I think it's encouraging to see us rejecting an initial offer for a player that we presumably want to sell. Standard negotiating tactic, you have to assume any club's first offer is going to be at least a little below what they're actually willing to go to. Worst case scenario they say "no, £15mil take it or leave it" and we take it, no worse off for chancing our arm.
 
You also have to remember a decent number of the fans on here were suggesting cashing in on both Ramsdale and Berge for much less than we got, or even paid in some circumstances. If he does go for £20-25m that gives us a great chunk towards the number we need to recover to rebuild.

Thank god for all the criticisms we have some grown up professions involved somewhere behind the scenes.
 
Argentinemanager said:
25 million is a terrible offer for a future brazillian international, looks as if fulham are having our pants down, this is the narrative we should be pushing not the truth about how shite hes been for us
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^^^This... overprice as much as possible. Seems to happen to us often enough!
 
SUFC Guy said:
What did we buy at? around £10m was it?
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As it stands, somewhere between £6m and £8m. My guess is that it could have worked out at £10m if both he and we had done well, then a 20% sell on gives the £12m figure frequently bandied about.

IIRC we dropped him for the last game as it would have been a 30th start and that would have triggered another payment.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
You also have to remember a decent number of the fans on here were suggesting cashing in on both Ramsdale and Berge for much less than we got, or even paid in some circumstances. If he does go for £20-25m that gives us a great chunk towards the number we need to recover to rebuild.

Thank god for all the criticisms we have some grown up professions involved somewhere behind the scenes.
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We bought him for around 10m? He also had a shocking season (like everyone)

So why would his price double? Or why should we demand it should be double?

Performing badly at your job and your value increases/doubles 🤔
 
Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou said:
We bought him for around 10m? He also had a shocking season (like everyone)

So why would his price double? Or why should we demand it should be double?

Performing badly at your job and your value increases/doubles 🤔
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In short, it's because those that are saying sell Rammers for any bid we get, cash in on Berge for anything over £5m etc etc don't understand the market values or what they are looking at. See also Anel.
They rate things such as heart, and effort highly, seemingly to care about the club and professionalism should be a given.
That's not the real world and do not denote the worth of a player.

I'm actually not sure we did purchase him for £10m but that aside, because while you may perceive that he's had a shocking season others didn't see that.
His stats were quite impressive, on paper and in completely woeful side. He's not lost his technical background or upbringing, and he will get a lot of leeway because of our disorganisation and the fact that no-one would have performed consistently well given the banter club we were.

Wilder get's stick for actively targeting the right characters with the right personality traits and I think that is important to our club and our fans.
Players taking it easy, blaming others and throwing in the towel because it's tough isn't necessarily an issue unless you're getting pumped week in week out, and at most clubs that doesn't happen.

As I said above wrong player, at the wrong club at the wrong time. I do still think he'll generally play out his career at a higher level than we generally have managed for the past 20 years.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
In short, it's because those that are saying sell Rammers for any bid we get, cash in on Berge for anything over £5m etc etc don't understand the market values or what they are looking at. See also Anel.
They rate things such as heart, and effort highly, seemingly to care about the club and professionalism should be a given.
That's not the real world and do not denote the worth of a player.

I'm actually not sure we did purchase him for £10m but that aside, because while you may perceive that he's had a shocking season others didn't see that.
His stats were quite impressive, on paper and in completely woeful side. He's not lost his technical background or upbringing, and he will get a lot of leeway because of our disorganisation and the fact that no-one would have performed consistently well given the banter club we were.

Wilder get's stick for actively targeting the right characters with the right personality traits and I think that is important to our club and our fans.
Players taking it easy, blaming others and throwing in the towel because it's tough isn't necessarily an issue unless you're getting pumped week in week out, and at most clubs that doesn't happen.

As I said above wrong player, at the wrong club at the wrong time. I do still think he'll generally play out his career at a higher level than we generally have managed for the past 20 years.
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I'm sure playing with better players will improve his constantly passing it out of play under no pressure and then blaming his team mate
 
Seriously, if we get in excess of £15m for him the FA should force us all to wear black masks for the entire season!

We'll also do and episode of Dragons Den too, taking Benie and Anel with us and asking for some random number.

Bettis to receive a knighthood!

utb
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
In short, it's because those that are saying sell Rammers for any bid we get, cash in on Berge for anything over £5m etc etc don't understand the market values or what they are looking at. See also Anel.
They rate things such as heart, and effort highly, seemingly to care about the club and professionalism should be a given.
That's not the real world and do not denote the worth of a player.

I'm actually not sure we did purchase him for £10m but that aside, because while you may perceive that he's had a shocking season others didn't see that.
His stats were quite impressive, on paper and in completely woeful side. He's not lost his technical background or upbringing, and he will get a lot of leeway because of our disorganisation and the fact that no-one would have performed consistently well given the banter club we were.

Wilder get's stick for actively targeting the right characters with the right personality traits and I think that is important to our club and our fans.
Players taking it easy, blaming others and throwing in the towel because it's tough isn't necessarily an issue unless you're getting pumped week in week out, and at most clubs that doesn't happen.

As I said above wrong player, at the wrong club at the wrong time. I do still think he'll generally play out his career at a higher level than we generally have managed for the past 20 years.
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Agree with most of that tbh.

I think im just desperate for some sales of the 'not bothered players' id take what we paid! (Apart from Anel)
 

dont mind club holding out for more better than the sell to the first bidder of mcabes regime might well be near the end of the window before we get rid of souza and anel so i expect any incomings for fees will be at the same time
 
Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou said:
Agree with most of that tbh.

I think im just desperate for some sales of the 'not bothered players' id take what we paid! (Apart from Anel)
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Me too, and if we can get £20m for them, all the better.

I actually agree with Wilder that effort, hardwork and giving a shit should be a bear minimum of what we should expect. Given where we are as a club we can't afford our players not to.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
You also have to remember a decent number of the fans on here were suggesting cashing in on both Ramsdale and Berge for much less than we got, or even paid in some circumstances. If he does go for £20-25m that gives us a great chunk towards the number we need to recover to rebuild.

Thank god for all the criticisms we have some grown up professions involved somewhere behind the scenes.
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I don't think you're allowed to say things like that on this forum! 🤔
 
YES Blade said:
Last season, we were that shit that it was difficult to judge the difference between the shit players and decent players playing in a shit team.

I reckon that we could’ve made Messi in his prime look wank last season, so it wouldn’t surprise me if some players that looked shit last season go elsewhere and have decent careers at a high level.
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I think you make a very fair, balanced argument there mate.

To counter it slightly though, to judge between genuinely shit players, versus decent players playing in a shit team, I'd always go with "Do they look like a decent player but playing in a shit team?" or "Do they just look like an absolutely shit player?". Certainly helps me anyway.

He's shit.
 
Despite what many think Vini is quite possibly worth £20m in this daft world.
If Fulham offered £15m on 1st bid then its probably an indication they'll go closer to £20m . So PA asks for £25m to get closer to the number they'll arrive at , just how it is.
Fulham clearly rate him and have determined his value in a 1st bid , what we may think is irrelevant.
I actually think this will be concluded quickly given the circumstances. Hope so anyway
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
He’s better than he’s perceived and I think he’ll go on to have a career at a higher level than us, however he’s all wrong for us and not want we needed then or now.
£25m will suit everyone and we can move on.
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He's shit!!
 
Don’t care if he’s the next Gilberto Silva. His attitude is shite, he’s the first player in years to be booed, that isn’t either Ex Wednesday or a Sex offender. He clearly doesn’t want to be here, he gave up and downed tools, only Luton away he looked semi-decent.

If we can get over 20 million for him, it’s fucking insane business.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
You also have to remember a decent number of the fans on here were suggesting cashing in on both Ramsdale and Berge for much less than we got, or even paid in some circumstances. If he does go for £20-25m that gives us a great chunk towards the number we need to recover to rebuild.

Thank god for all the criticisms we have some grown up professions involved somewhere behind the scenes.
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There were also people who swore up and down for years that we would sell Berge for a lot more than we paid.
 
Guesty said:
There were also people who swore up and down for years that we would sell Berge for a lot more than we paid.
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I genuinely can't recall them, but that could be confirmation bias on my part.
Out of interest what do you think the negative impact here from that stand point? We ultimately sold him for £15m in the last year of his contract.

The only thing I can think of would be the Coulibaly story that Milan wanted him for £10M and we said no, which if true, was dumb on our part, but would have also caused a huge meltdown on here that we'd let the next Viera go for peanuts.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
The only thing I can think of would be the Coulibaly story that Milan wanted him for £10M and we said no, which if true, was dumb on our part, but would have also caused a huge meltdown on here that we'd let the next Viera go for peanuts.
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I think it later came out that an agent was hawking Coulibaly. I’d guess there was never a bid like that.
 
Anyone on here is welcome to scream until they're blue in the face that "He's shit" or whatever. It doesn't change anything.

Footballers are not bought or sold based on fans opinions, and the price of transfers absolutely isn't either.

If Vini leaves, we'll sell him for the maximum amount of money we can get a club to offer us. If that happens to be 15/20 million, then folks can laugh at the buying club if they want, but he'll more than likely end up being worth a fair few bob more than any transfer fee we get.
 

You want the Souz? You want the Souz?
YOU CAN'T HANDLE AFFORD THE SOUZ.
 
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