Archer

[Iffy Onuora's Shiny Head]

Just don't think he has the aggression and mentality to really kick his career beyond the championship.

 

[Mojo]

He was pathetic for us towards the back end of the season , had several chances that he either took too many touches or shot far too early off balance for no reason whatsoever. Decision making and general play leaves a lot to be desired

 

[John Street West Terrace]

I thought Villa had said they were gonna activate the buy back & then sell him , is he still at the Lane ?

 

[Eddiecolquhounsleg]

Never any harm renegotiating if all parties are in agreement ?

UTB

I agree, but by my recollection, Villa were ‘obliged’ to take him back at the end of the season. Clearly Villa have a different interpretation of what that word means.

 

[Danny_Blade]

Let's hope we have a chance of BBD instead. I'm sure he's the 100% much more preferred than Archer.

 

[ChezVegasBlade]

Rather have BBD be cheaper and much better player.

 

[ancientblade]

I thought Villa had said they were gonna activate the buy back & then sell him , is he still at the Lane ?

somebody said on here he was training on his own thought he had gone back to villa know he was dissapointing last season but blimey he didnt have much service with us having 30% possesion most games i would have him back championship is his level and could form a good front 2 with kiefer moore if we get him

 

[Danetheblade]

Rather have BBD be cheaper and much better player.

This.

BBD every day of the week over Archer. Unless we’re paying 4m/5m for Archer, I’d take the money and run (straight to BBD)

 

[DronnieBlade]

I agree, but by my recollection, Villa were ‘obliged’ to take him back at the end of the season. Clearly Villa have a different interpretation of what that word means.

It doesn’t matter if it’s beneficial for us to ignore / waive the contractual obligation.

Villa would have thought they were getting rid of a player for c£18m.

On their books this is the case. But they now buying him back for c£15m and they don’t want to.

A deal could be done. If all parties want it.

UTB

 

[Eddiecolquhounsleg]

This is my point. We buy him for about £18m and expect to sell him back for £15m at the end of the season under the ‘obliged’ agreement. We get a player for £3m for the year and Villa ease their financial problems so everything is fine. As it stands we’ve paid £18m for a player we didn’t expect to keep. That makes an awfully big dent in our finances and Villa are £18m to the good.

 

[DronnieBlade]

This is my point. We buy him for about £18m and expect to sell him back for £15m at the end of the season under the ‘obliged’ agreement. We get a player for £3m for the year and Villa ease their financial problems so everything is fine. As it stands we’ve paid £18m for a player we didn’t expect to keep. That makes an awfully big dent in our finances and Villa are £18 to the good.

Doesn’t work like that.

My best guess is that the “loan” fee of around £3m was the first instalment of an £18m total transfer fee payable.

Villa get £18m on their “books” as a consequence which assisted them greatly with FFP last year.

They now find themselves “obligated” to buy Archer for c £15m. This is of course problematic for Villa and their FFP Compliance. They will want to offload him and won’t be getting anything near £15m to do so in the open market right now.

UTB

 

[Eddiecolquhounsleg]

I see what you are saying, but whatever way the deal was arranged, the obliged part has simply been forgotten by Villa. In my eyes, a deal is a deal, and if that included an obligation to buy him back, then that is what they should do. It’s a contract and the details should be adhered to. Villa are playing fast and loose with the terms of the contract and United should be having words with them. At the moment both the player and United are in limbo, while Villa don’t appear to give a shit.

 

[Midland Blade]

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Tweet from the company he has been training with saying he is returning to Villa

I see what you are saying, but whatever way the deal was arranged, the obliged part has simply been forgotten by Villa. In my eyes, a deal is a deal, and if that included an obligation to buy him back, then that is what they should do. It’s a contract and the details should be adhered to. Villa are playing fast and loose with the terms of the contract and United should be having words with them. At the moment both the player and United are in limbo, while Villa don’t appear to give a shit.

 

[Balham]

I see what you are saying, but whatever way the deal was arranged, the obliged part has simply been forgotten by Villa. In my eyes, a deal is a deal, and if that included an obligation to buy him back, then that is what they should do. It’s a contract and the details should be adhered to. Villa are playing fast and loose with the terms of the contract and United should be having words with them. At the moment both the player and United are in limbo, while Villa don’t appear to give a shit.

It will have been a contractual obligation. What Villa currently want to do bears no significance.

 

[djbaldken]

Whether we can afford him and his wages is a different matter but he won't be at Villa this season. I'd have thought one of the promoted 3 sides wd be top of the list of likely destinations but they may not fancy him after last season.

This makes sense to me.
He won't be at villa that's almost a given. The three promoted teams, apparently, aren't interested.
So who is left for him? Again ,apparently,no-one.
So why not us!
Who knows? Fingers crossed this take over happens soon.
If rather have BBD, but Archer would do for me.

 

[finlaytheblade]

I see what you are saying, but whatever way the deal was arranged, the obliged part has simply been forgotten by Villa. In my eyes, a deal is a deal, and if that included an obligation to buy him back, then that is what they should do. It’s a contract and the details should be adhered to. Villa are playing fast and loose with the terms of the contract and United should be having words with them. At the moment both the player and United are in limbo, while Villa don’t appear to give a shit.

He's back at Villa int he !! Per contract?

 

[ancientblade]

This makes sense to me.
He won't be at villa that's almost a given. The three promoted teams, apparently, aren't interested.
So who is left for him? Again ,apparently,no-one.
So why not us!
Who knows? Fingers crossed this take over happens soon.
If rather have BBD, but Archer would do for me.

would like em both back here know archer didnt pull any trees up but he was facing world class defenders every week in a team with little possesion stats hes proven at championship level those 2 would easily get us 40 plus goals between em next season

 

[The Fox]

As he came through the ranks at villa he would have been considered a " pure profit" player with any sell on . They've already had loan fees and buying him back for £15m makes sence to them even if they move him on for less to another club. Even at £10m he'll not have cost them although it'll put a little dent in the ffp numbers . Anything close to £15m and they'll stomach that I suspect .

 

[FriethBlade]

As he came through the ranks at villa he would have been considered a " pure profit" player with any sell on . They've already had loan fees and buying him back for £15m makes sence to them even if they move him on for less to another club. Even at £10m he'll not have cost them although it'll put a little dent in the ffp numbers . Anything close to £15m and they'll stomach that I suspect .

Fox I'd think the opposite, it makes absolutely no sense for them to 'buy him back'. Whatever fee they got from us they will have banked as pure profit in the June 24 accounts. Anything they now have to pay to get him back will go as a debit v the PSR.

As he won't play for them that's the last thing they want to do. They will look to find a way around this and leaving him with us may be a solution. However Archer will have to agree to that and we will have to be prepared to pay his wages.

 

[LJBlade]

He was pathetic for us towards the back end of the season , had several chances that he either took too many touches or shot far too early off balance for no reason whatsoever. Decision making and general play leaves a lot to be desired

A player who is in and out of the team, dealing with a few minor injuries, is never likely to be at the top of his game though.

 

[LJBlade]

I agree, but by my recollection, Villa were ‘obliged’ to take him back at the end of the season. Clearly Villa have a different interpretation of what that word means.

What makes you think this? The only thing I've seen from Villa's side is their manager saying he'd be going back there.

 

[The Fox]

Fox I'd think the opposite, it makes absolutely no sense for them to 'buy him back'. Whatever fee they got from us they will have banked as pure profit in the June 24 accounts. Anything they now have to pay to get him back will go as a debit v the PSR.

As he won't play for them that's the last thing they want to do. They will look to find a way around this and leaving him with us may be a solution. However Archer will have to agree to that and we will have to be prepared to pay his wages.

Yes I understand they'll take a hit ,albeit a small one if the move him on for anything like £15m . I think the PFA might take a dim view of this given that the player would have understood the buyback clause was in place.
Wonder how villa would feel if we sold him for £15m this window .
I actually think it's a non story , i'm sure he'll go back to villa albeit for a sort spell and moved on quickly.

 

[Eddiecolquhounsleg]

What makes you think this? The only thing I've seen from Villa's side is their manager saying he'd be going back there.

Yes. But there should be money coming our way. He shouldn’t just be returning to Villa. The obligation was for Villa to buy him back. Either that ,or I’ve entirely misunderstood the terms off this deal.

 

[Frank the tank]

Yes. But there should be money coming our way. He shouldn’t just be returning to Villa. The obligation was for Villa to buy him back. Either that ,or I’ve entirely misunderstood the terms off this deal.

You've entirely misunderstood the terms of this deal

 

[TopBoy]

Archer is a ready-made replacement for Ivan Toney who will go to Arsenal or Everton.

 

[Lord Eddard Muir]

Yes. But there should be money coming our way. He shouldn’t just be returning to Villa. The obligation was for Villa to buy him back. Either that ,or I’ve entirely misunderstood the terms off this deal.

It'll be money coming back onto the balance sheet, but not money that we've actually paid them already. Just money that was earmarked for future instalments that can now be spent on something else.

 

[Eddiecolquhounsleg]

You've entirely misunderstood the terms of this deal

Thanks for your input. What were the terms then?

 

[Frank the tank]

Thanks for your input. What were the terms then?

It was a convuloted loan deal
With us paying then 3m or so in real terms but us paying them 18 m on paper

 

[LJBlade]

Yes. But there should be money coming our way. He shouldn’t just be returning to Villa. The obligation was for Villa to buy him back. Either that ,or I’ve entirely misunderstood the terms off this deal.

They will have bought him back.

Are you under the impression that so far we've given them £18m and they've given us nothing to take him back?

 

[blades95]