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GLTTL

Honestly. Looking at the utter cluster fuck of last season, and this current off-season seems headed in the same direction, why the hell would/should he stick around? Even the Bladeiest of McBladies would be certifiably insane to turn down other offers to stay here.

Build the side around him? We couldn't build a Duplo Lego Set.... Those saying he's taking the piss etc - look at us. Seriously, look at where we are from an infrastructure perspective, strategy perspective, squad development perspective.

Every performance indicator says we're fucked...

TBF to Ndiaye he got an early look at Traore and Slinane. Writing on the wall.
 
GLTTL, I’m glad he didn’t sign for a PL team last season and have to play against us.

He had his reasons (rightly or wrongly) for leaving, partially because it was ‘his club’, partly because he could see the lack of quality we’d have in the PL.

Our fans sang his name and idolised him but our chairman fucked him about until he signed his first contract then proceeded to lowball him with the next one.

Two sides to every story and we’ve only heard the Prince of Bullshit and his mate The Snake. I personally believe very little that either of them come out with.
 
Probs do a nice promotional video for his current club before he buggers off.
 
The lads a talent, never let us down on the pitch and had a call to make in leaving , and another on his move to Everton. Perhaps it didn't work out for him but he may have regretted missing the opportunity more.
Ultimately it was his choice , his family and agent would have influenced it but he had to make the call.
Players move on ,so should we .
 
No good luck to him from me. He and his dickhead agent can go fuck themselves with a pineapple for all I care now. He let Marseille and his scummy agent manipulate him when he had all but signed a new deal with us.

The cynic in me thinks this was all planned anyway, a quick stint at OM and then fuck off to the PL. We were just in the way and stopping his agent coining more money the longer he stayed with us.
I don't get that mate. But fair enough.

Sounds like pure emotion rather than logic.
 
Not that I think we could afford him, but did we put a first refusal in the terms when we sold him? I'm sure I read that somewhere.

Big difference though between the dreams that people post about on social media and reality.

I shared my bed last night with Dua Lipa.

Dream or reality ?

Must be true because you've read it on the internet. :oops:
 
I don't get that mate. But fair enough.

Sounds like pure emotion rather than logic.

Pure emotion was him letting himself get emotionally blackmailed by Marseille and his agent with a now or never move. Which obviously was the right level of emotional bullshit for him to do U-turn on us.
 
Our fans sang his name and idolised him but our chairman fucked him about until he signed his first contract then proceeded to lowball him with the next one.

Two sides to every story and we’ve only heard the Prince of Bullshit and his mate The Snake. I personally believe very little that either of them come out with.

I was told by someone with connections inside the club that we offered Ndiaye around £85k per week, by far the biggest contract in the club’s history. This was the deal he was agreed to sign before doing the last minute U-turn. Just what I was told, but I have no reason to not believe it.
 
I was told by someone with connections inside the club that we offered Ndiaye around £85k per week, by far the biggest contract in the club’s history. This was the deal he was agreed to sign before doing the last minute U-turn. Just what I was told, but I have no reason to not believe it.
Maybe if we’d offered him that when it was clear we’d got promoted he’d have signed it and not fucked us around. What I suspect happened is that we took advantage of the £4k a week he was reportedly on and offered him a much lower multiple of that to renew. He realised he could get much more elsewhere and then his agent did the rest.

I very much doubt we offered him £85k a week though.
 
Maybe if we’d offered him that when it was clear we’d got promoted he’d have signed it and not fucked us around. What I suspect happened is that we took advantage of the £4k a week he was reportedly on and offered him a much lower multiple of that to renew. He realised he could get much more elsewhere and then his agent did the rest.

I very much doubt we offered him £85k a week though.
If we did I'd imagine it was along the lines of £85k a week so long as we retained PL status. He probably saw Traore and Slimane and looked at Tom Little's Pre Season Schedule and thought there's no way this lot are staying up!

My lad had a game at Shirecliffe last week and the facilities are no better than those at Graves/SGP.

We're an absolute shambles and haven't invested in the playing staff and/or training facilities for years....
 

Curious to know as outsider looking in how much of a roll your owner played in him leaving?

Find it hard to believe after a season of getting into the PL he wouldn't have at least give it a season with your mob regardless if Marseille come calling or not?
 
Curious to know as outsider looking in how much of a roll your owner played in him leaving?

Find it hard to believe after a season of getting into the PL he wouldn't have at least give it a season with your mob regardless if Marseille come calling or not?

He was apparently offered the biggest contract in our clubs history and invited out to the owners house. This contract was all verbally agreed and a social media announcement video was filmed with Billy Sharp handing him his own shirt number.

Marseille was his boyhood club who apparently emotionally blackmailed him as their chairman swore to him that if he did not sign last summer he would never play for the club while he was in charge. A one time offer take it or leave it. So he decided to go.

They’ve then changed manager multiple times and tried to use him as a winger. He’s not blisteringly quick and was at his best when playing in a free role more centrally for us. He’s one of the most talented players we’ve ever had in terms of ball retention, dribbling and work rate. I would say his finishing leaves a little to be desired at times though as does his decision making as to when to hold the ball or release a team mate as he does sometimes overplay and run down a blind alley. Hes brilliantly entertaining to watch though.
 
And now if I tell you this is your only chance to ever play for us? Take it or leave it. Need your answer in half an hour or we'll sign someone else.
I’d say bollocks to you if that’s the way you want to treat me before I’ve even signed. If you’re like that when you’re trying to recruit me, what would you be like if I was your employee?
Turns out I would have been right on this occasion.
 
He was apparently offered the biggest contract in our clubs history and invited out to the owners house. This contract was all verbally agreed and a social media announcement video was filmed with Billy Sharp handing him his own shirt number.

Marseille was his boyhood club who apparently emotionally blackmailed him as their chairman swore to him that if he did not sign last summer he would never play for the club while he was in charge. A one time offer take it or leave it. So he decided to go.

They’ve then changed manager multiple times and tried to use him as a winger. He’s not blisteringly quick and was at his best when playing in a free role more centrally for us. He’s one of the most talented players we’ve ever had in terms of ball retention, dribbling and work rate. I would say his finishing leaves a little to be desired at times though as does his decision making as to when to hold the ball or release a team mate as he does sometimes overplay and run down a blind alley. Hes brilliantly entertaining to watch though.
Which is why he made his bed and lay in it to his Agent’s advantage and why as far as I am concerned he can go fuck himself for ever more. Hope he fails at Everton and he is relegated. Vindictive? Moi?
 
Pure emotion was him letting himself get emotionally blackmailed by Marseille and his agent with a now or never move. Which obviously was the right level of emotional bullshit for him to do U-turn on us.
Probably time to get over it
 
He was apparently offered the biggest contract in our clubs history and invited out to the owners house. This contract was all verbally agreed and a social media announcement video was filmed with Billy Sharp handing him his own shirt number.

Marseille was his boyhood club who apparently emotionally blackmailed him as their chairman swore to him that if he did not sign last summer he would never play for the club while he was in charge. A one time offer take it or leave it. So he decided to go.

They’ve then changed manager multiple times and tried to use him as a winger. He’s not blisteringly quick and was at his best when playing in a free role more centrally for us. He’s one of the most talented players we’ve ever had in terms of ball retention, dribbling and work rate. I would say his finishing leaves a little to be desired at times though as does his decision making as to when to hold the ball or release a team mate as he does sometimes overplay and run down a blind alley. Hes brilliantly entertaining to watch though.
Thanks mate
 
I was told by someone with connections inside the club that we offered Ndiaye around £85k per week, by far the biggest contract in the club’s history. This was the deal he was agreed to sign before doing the last minute U-turn. Just what I was told, but I have no reason to not believe it.
One reason could be the amount ? Well over £4m in a year paid by United !!!!!!
 
I'll be booing him when ever I see him. Broke my heart.
 
Ndiaye is so, so good. Gutted he's gone to Everton, thought Palace would've been a better fit as a replacement for Olise.

Shocked it didn't work out for him at Marseille, but Everton have got an absolute steal.
As good as Gibbs-White, but yet to prove it.
 
And it’s stuff like this happening that should stop you from allowing a player to move on his timetable rather than yours and screw up your plans at the last minute.

We really got hosed there.
If Bettis and co couldn’t get this done within a couple of weeks of beating West Brom, then we should have been accepting and moving on.

The whole dragged out affair was amateurish and the fact we’d started doing videos before the ink was dry shows what a naive bunch we were.

At that point, Hecky lost his job. He seemed to acknowledge very little that we couldn’t play the same way and should in his mind have long been thinking of plan B whilst Iliman’s negotiations were not settled.

In my view, we should have either played 5-4-1 and accepted we’d need to spoil games, and had pace out wide to counter-attack or we should have attempted to get a 10 and kept an extra body in midfield.

The way we went about it was almost as if we were resigned to relegation from kick off and were just going through the motions.

Surely that also played a part in the delayed recruitment, that there was only plan A of Iliman and nothing else would do.

I sometimes think with all the time and energy going into modern scouting with analytics etc that the basic fundamentals must have been lost.

A Manager should be able to approach the Chief Scout and be given 6 or more names of players in each position who would be appropriate for a given budget should you need to recruit.

If the answer was “none, Boss” to replace Iliman then they’re in the wrong job.

Without even being that creative two options - 1. You play McAtee in Iliman’s role and you recruit an extra body in midfield. 2. You buy the Boro forward line.

In the latter case there were long delays before Akpom headed to Ajax. If we’d been decisive we could have got him. We were probably more obsessed with daft things like resale value than actually having a good team. We’d have been in a far better spot with those two together than monies on Slimane, Traore and Trusty.

Either way, as per usual, we come out of the land of milk and honey with very little to show for it and a manager expected to build on a budget.
 
Curious to know as outsider looking in how much of a roll your owner played in him leaving?

Find it hard to believe after a season of getting into the PL he wouldn't have at least give it a season with your mob regardless if Marseille come calling or not?
We are opposite ends to the same spectrum as you.

Your owner(s) have/had loads of money and squandered it.

Our owner has next to no money and squandered it!

In his slight defence he only became sole owner because his 50/50 partner tried to cut him out once promotion was assured.

But with the needs and requirements of the top level, he has no right to be an owner of a Premier League team. He’s simply not got the substance. We spent last year ensuring we could meet the obligations we were already committed to and even now the first thing we’ll be looking to do is sell Ahmedhodzic or Souza to ensure we can recruit properly.

You’d think a relegated team would be going all out to put things right but we have all the urgency of a sloth.

For those reasons and the lack of money to improve the team, I would imagine they weighed on N’Diaye’s mind too.
 

If Bettis and co couldn’t get this done within a couple of weeks of beating West Brom, then we should have been accepting and moving on.

The whole dragged out affair was amateurish and the fact we’d started doing videos before the ink was dry shows what a naive bunch we were.

At that point, Hecky lost his job. He seemed to acknowledge very little that we couldn’t play the same way and should in his mind have long been thinking of plan B whilst Iliman’s negotiations were not settled.

In my view, we should have either played 5-4-1 and accepted we’d need to spoil games, and had pace out wide to counter-attack or we should have attempted to get a 10 and kept an extra body in midfield.

The way we went about it was almost as if we were resigned to relegation from kick off and were just going through the motions.

Surely that also played a part in the delayed recruitment, that there was only plan A of Iliman and nothing else would do.

I sometimes think with all the time and energy going into modern scouting with analytics etc that the basic fundamentals must have been lost.

A Manager should be able to approach the Chief Scout and be given 6 or more names of players in each position who would be appropriate for a given budget should you need to recruit.

If the answer was “none, Boss” to replace Iliman then they’re in the wrong job.

Without even being that creative two options - 1. You play McAtee in Iliman’s role and you recruit an extra body in midfield. 2. You buy the Boro forward line.

In the latter case there were long delays before Akpom headed to Ajax. If we’d been decisive we could have got him. We were probably more obsessed with daft things like resale value than actually having a good team. We’d have been in a far better spot with those two together than monies on Slimane, Traore and Trusty.

Either way, as per usual, we come out of the land of milk and honey with very little to show for it and a manager expected to build on a budget.
We were as dead as a Dodo as soon as Ndiah and Berge left and probably would still have been relegated if they had stayed.
I've mentioned before the princes reaction at the final whistle after the WBA game! running on to the pitch yes running on to the pitch ! Just! giving Hecki a bear hug.I reckon even then Hecki knew his time was limited.
Princes get out of jail card ! as I think the worst could have happened ! administration the lot ! if we had failed in the run in.
The budget he gave Hecki told the full story and he would have known it was a relegation budget.
In other words he just accepted our demise (prince) before a ball was kicked.
We have a real chance to build something if the takeover happens and the owners can support the manager CW or someone else.
Fingers crossed.!!
 

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