Fuck off McCabe

[silverfox]

Thanks, I didn't want to brag but I think he has been watching my closely and has modelled his style of play on me.

I must say I haven't seen him lying down, moaning and holding his (please insert any body part here that can be held)

 

[TAMUS]

Mr McCabe has run the club very badly , but will not be taking money out of the club each year , it will just be logged as debt at a good rate of interest , but this gives him the ultimate control to just tick over asset stripping , when ever he likes , nice little earner for him , now his and all of our Dreams have faded

 

[Latters]

I must say I haven't seen him lying down, moaning and holding his (please insert any body part here that can be held)

Cock and balls?

 

[Northyorksblade]

Today
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Best part was the kestrel flying in front of the kop.

I thought it was a parakeet. Must get to Specsavers

 

[Manchester Blade]

A strong early performance from a black carrier bag was upstaged by the kestrel.

Some of the best movement in the 18 yard box by the black carrier bag all afternoon, 8-10.

 

[Staffs_Blade]

Today
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Best part was the kestrel flying in front of the kop.

It's a good job we're not playing Barnsley this year otherwise that evil bastard Judd'll kill the bloody bird and put it in't bin.

 

[Moorside Blade]

The breaking news is that the black carrier bag has just been sold to West Brom (the Baggies). Jules (Hard) Winter explained that because the bag was plastic it was not compatible with the clubs "sustainable model going forward".

 

[blade too long]

Where has the money gone?

mainly wages, in short
funny how people forget the players we bought too

take ched 3 million to buy 3 million in wages , got back fuck all
that accounts for the kyles money weve recieved so far

 

[bricktop]

£6million by your calculations for Ched
£8million for both Kyles

I presume that mathematics isn't your strongest suite

 

[Pinchy]

mainly wages, in short
funny how people forget the players we bought too

take ched 3 million to buy 3 million in wages , got back fuck all
that accounts for the kyles money weve recieved so far

Football clubs have all the normal overheads just like other businesses as well as a few peculiar to football. Tax, utilities, repair and maintenance, agents' fees, caterers, vehicles. They don't live in a vacuum where transfer fees go into a shoebox until needed to buy a player.

Questions like "Where has the Blackman money gone?" fail to recognise constantly recurring and substantial liabilities. Probably to pay the milkman, or the newsagent, or the mechanic, or the security firm, or the electricity bill. Check your own bank statements then multiply by hundreds. Then stop being so daft and grow up.

 

[blade too long]

£6million by your calculations for Ched
£8million for both Kyles

I presume that mathematics isn't your strongest suite

no cash for kyles so far I said , its in stages, contracts arent your strong point

 

[Grecian2000]

no cash for kyles so far I said , its in stages, contracts arent your strong point

So you're saying, after FOUR years, we've not received all the "Kyles money". But after the same time we've paid out ALL the Ched money?
Contracts may not be his strong suit, but I suspect he wouldn't have been stupid enough to agree to that deal.

I'll not even go into the £3m fee you quote for Ched. I'll leave that to the BIL brigade who argued the sum with Len when he insisted it was that figure.

 

[Bladesway]

I'll not even go into the £3m fee you quote for Ched. I'll leave that to the BIL brigade who argued the sum with Len when he insisted it was that figure.

Wasn't it a sliding scale depending on how many goals he had scored and how the argument suited? Anywhere between 3 magic beans and the third world debt combined?

 

[Hamburg Blade]

We could do with some magic beans.

 

[silverfox]

We could do with some magic beans.

I'd like a couple of eggs with mine!

 

[Grecian2000]

I'll be needing magic mushrooms if I have to sit through much more of Saturday's dross.

 

[StarBlade]

Football clubs have all the normal overheads just like other businesses as well as a few peculiar to football. Tax, utilities, repair and maintenance, agents' fees, caterers, vehicles. They don't live in a vacuum where transfer fees go into a shoebox until needed to buy a player.

Questions like "Where has the Blackman money gone?" fail to recognise constantly recurring and substantial liabilities. Probably to pay the milkman, or the newsagent, or the mechanic, or the security firm, or the electricity bill. Check your own bank statements then multiply by hundreds. Then stop being so daft and grow up.

Agree with the common sense there, but I have to say that selling players to pay the bills is not a sustainable model either which shows the trouble we're in (I know we all know), down to mis-management. The plumber and the security firm are a cost of doing business and so those monies should be recovered by the company by the sale of goods. No point selling your car to pay the water bill and then using the left-overs to buy a clapped out tricycle and still hoping you get to work on time.

 

[blade too long]

this wheres the money gone crap , it rears its head now and then

where did all wednesdays money go
where did a;; forests money go
where did all southamptons money go
where did all leeds money go

the list goes on , you buy players like Fathi for 1 , 5 million pay large wages get nowt back
your wage bill goes from 8 million a season to 4 seasons where its 25 22 19 and 17 million with only 9 million income , in each season thats 31 million lost,
insurance police costs and swinging PAYE patments
several millions on agents fees

nett spend by united , from the day mccabe took over is 12.5 million on sales against buys , which roughly works out a million a year so theres not actually a lot of money to pocket as some put it

 

[Pennblade]

this wheres the money gone crap , it rears its head now and then

where did all wednesdays money go
where did a;; forests money go
where did all southamptons money go
where did all leeds money go

the list goes on , you buy players like Fathi for 1 , 5 million pay large wages get nowt back
your wage bill goes from 8 million a season to 4 seasons where its 25 22 19 and 17 million with only 9 million income , in each season thats 31 million lost,
insurance police costs and swinging PAYE patments
several millions on agents fees

nett spend by united , from the day mccabe took over is 12.5 million on sales against buys , which roughly works out a million a year so theres not actually a lot of money to pocket as some put it

I'm not saying you're wrong but where do you numbers come from?

Even if your numbers are correct we need to take account of:

Profits from a season in Premiership - our claim against WHU was based on an estimated net income of £30m
Two lots of parachute payments (£15m per year?)
£18m from WHU (not received in full but included in our balance sheet)
Gate receipts in Premiership in the top 6 or 7?
Gate receipts in Championship - top 1 or 2
Gate receipts in Div 1 - top

There is strong suspicion that the losses on McCabes failed ventures - property, buying foreign clubs have all been deposited in the football side of the business and then assets shorne of debt transferred to the property side of the business. Perfectly legitimate - but in no way doe sit make McCabe the great benefactor we are repeatedly told he is.

Then there is the question of wehat McCabe has got for his investment (however big or small it has been) - he's certainly got the real estate which must be worth a good few million and he's had very healthy interest payments on his loans.

McCabe has studiously avoided publishing any meaningful information on the income and costs of the football club so much of the above - including your numbers is only speculation.

However, one thing is absolutely clear McCabe makes all the big decisions. Therefore, credit where credit is due our rise to the Premiership was largely down to him. However, our fall since then and the massive debt we have run up is by the same token down to him and his appalling decisions - there is no-one else to blame.

 

[Pennblade]

no cash for kyles so far I said , its in stages, contracts arent your strong point

When a club sells a player and the payments are staged and not made dependent on appearances, promotion etc then the club will often take out a loan against the guaranteed future income and include the value of the loan in its balance sheet. United did that for the WHU payments so it probably does the same for staged transfer payments.

 

[blade too long]

I'm not saying you're wrong but where do you numbers come from?

Even if your numbers are correct we need to take account of:

Profits from a season in Premiership - our claim against WHU was based on an estimated net income of £30m
Two lots of parachute payments (£15m per year?)
£18m from WHU (not received in full but included in our balance sheet)
Gate receipts in Premiership in the top 6 or 7?
Gate receipts in Championship - top 1 or 2
Gate receipts in Div 1 - top



However, one thing is absolutely clear McCabe makes all the big decisions. Therefore, credit where credit is due our rise to the Premiership was largely down to him. However, our fall since then and the massive debt we have run up is by the same token down to him and his appalling decisions - there is no-one else to blame.

the wage bills year ends are available from deloitte
the income has fallen expedentially as crowds fall from 30 k paying 25 average to 18000 average paying around 18 average allowing for st rates, per game and discounted tickets

so 12000 x 25 X 23 games gone completely
AND THE REMAINING 18000 £7 x 23 home games,last year to the prem season

income tends not to vary much in the championship , but it has fallen in league 1, smaller away fan numbers , less tv money , smaller gates , more discounted tickets


Mccabe only real input is hiring a manager , and giving him funds , he has little sway on results, or Cheds pecadillos
Who hurt us most Robson who we did recover from , or Speed who left us high and dry ,
The loss of status was more to do with injury than anything, and losing kyle walker and morgan within the first 2 monthsripped out the heart of the defence

 

[blade too long]

thats nearly 7 million for the 12000 missing
and 3 million down on the overall cut in income

 

[Grecian2000]

the income has fallen expedentially

You got a cold btl? Chin up.

 

[Bladesway]

When a club sells a player and the payments are staged and not made dependent on appearances, promotion etc then the club will often take out a loan against the guaranteed future income and include the value of the loan in its balance sheet. United did that for the WHU payments so it probably does the same for staged transfer payments.

In this day and age with clubs going down like hookers on Hugh Grants todger, wouldn't that possibly pr0mote a clubs demise? Surely if everyone paid cash up top the following would happen:-

You would know where you stood and the fee would be the fee
You wouldn't be spending money you didn't have
Transfer fees would come down as clubs wouldn't be carrying £100m for Ronaldo, or £25 for Taylor.
You would look more closely at a player before buying because you are parting with hard cash rather than an imaginary cloud of money.

Just a thought.

 

[Pennblade]

It was McCabe who decided to invest football club money in ventures in Hungary and China. As you point out it was McCabe who appointed Robson - and Blackwell and the rest of the failures. It was McCabe who has appointed and then had to pay off a series of executives eg Rocket who were clearly hopeless. It was McCabe who sold Beattie in January when we were in an auto promotion spot to the Premiership (we missed out by 1 or 2 points). It was McCabe thru his financial decisions led us to field legions of loanees (and then blamed the team manager). It was McCabe who sold Blackman and left us without a recognised goal scorer. More controversially he sacked Warnock who I believe was our best bet of getting straight back to the Premiership. McCabe is the one primarily responsible for this MESS - some benefactor!

 

[blade too long]

It was McCabe who decided to invest football club money in ventures in Hungary and China. As you point out it was McCabe who appointed Robson - and Blackwell and the rest of the failures.

blackwell failure , took over in 19th position finished 8th , finished 3rd then got us to a play off final , then 8th again , in the championship , Id take that type of failure
wednesdays hit 8th once since this century started we sacked him for only getting to 8th
8TH TO WEDNESDAY WOULD MAKE THEM SUPER MASSIVE , BUT TO SOME BLADES ITS ROCK BOTTOM

You cant blame mccabe for trying to deversify , the hungary china belgian and australian ventures cost little and broadened our brand and visibility , where do man utd chelsea liverpool go every summer

 

[Pennblade]

blackwell failure , took over in 19th position finished 8th , finished 3rd then got us to a play off final , then 8th again , in the championship , Id take that type of failure
wednesdays hit 8th once since this century started we sacked him for only getting to 8th
8TH TO WEDNESDAY WOULD MAKE THEM SUPER MASSIVE , BUT TO SOME BLADES ITS ROCK BOTTOM

You cant blame mccabe for trying to deversify , the hungary china belgian and australian ventures cost little and broadened our brand and visibility , where do man utd chelsea liverpool go every summer

We're not Man Utd, Chelsea or Liverpool . We're £60m in debt (supposedly) and have been in the third division for three seasons and no-one wants to buy us. Sounds like failure to me.

 

[puppet]

I will never forget McCabe's pisstake of my query as to where the money for 'the big push' was that was promised? He waved his fist and blathered some kind of 'we're all blades in it for the big push' and the room collapsed into polite applause. We didn't achieve promotion, WITHOUT the promise and non succumbed 'big push' money. Bobby Ford scored in a 1-0 over Oxford that day. Where are we now?

 

[blade too long]

We're not Man Utd, Chelsea or Liverpool . We're £60m in debt (supposedly) and have been in the third division for three seasons and no-one wants to buy us. Sounds like failure to me.

no we arent 60 million in debt thats bollocks , last year it was explained we had now got debts of 30 to 35 million and a lot of that is structured debt ie motgage , it was explained before that there was a mortgage of 25 million , in 2006 ,we need to get out of div 1 as the mortgage was set for championship level income , we are in need of championship income so we arent to get into deeper debt.
The debt is not to wonga or even a bank , its been set up by the PLC, in the city and has several different payment options , which allow for us being a football club

saying we are 60 mill in debt is like me saying you are 150000 in debt when buying a house with a mortgage

 

[Silent Blade]

I will never forget McCabe's pisstake of my query as to where the money for 'the big push' was that was promised? He waved his fist and blathered some kind of 'we're all blades in it for the big push' and the room collapsed into polite applause. We didn't achieve promotion, WITHOUT the promise and non succumbed 'big push' money. Bobby Ford scored in a 1-0 over Oxford that day. Where are we now?

Maybe he remembers reading your article in one of the fanzines supporting players who ask for sky high wages?