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Last SeasonIt was an odd season at Bramall Lane in 2012/13, as the Blades never really seemed to convince themselves or anybody else despire occupying a top six spot for almost the entire season. By the end, the schism between ex-Wednesday man Danny Wilson and the supporters became too much for the club to continue to maintain and he was sacked just before the play-offs, in which United were beaten by eventual winners Yeovil Town as Chris Morgan's unique brand of angry shouting and fist-windmilling failed to motivate a side who looked entirely disinterested by a shot a promotion.
Never really threatening to mount a genuine push for the automatic places, the campaign was defined by a lack of goals as Wilson was unable to replace Ched Evans following his incarceration at the tail end of the previous year, although they remained difficult to beat with one of the division's meanest defences being led by caveman-like teenage monster Harry Maguire. Draws were also an issue, particularly at Bramall Lane, where United consistently found themselves unable to take maximum points from limited but stubborn opposition.
The Boss
The man who has been tasked with following on from Wilson is a man who Blades fans hold dear to their hearts in former Scotland international centre back David Weir, who has picked up a few years of coaching experience working under David Moyes at his former club Everton. Weir has impressed the United faithful with some stern-talking and crowd-pleasing rhetoric, but pre-season results have been patchy despite an unbeaten sequence, with sides from lower divisions and non-league providing more issues for the Blades than Weir would've hoped.
Summer Dealings
In keeping with their new status as part of the League One furniture, none of United's signings have really caught the eye, although Weir has done well to bring in some underappreciated quality on what must be a budget that is continuing to shrink as United find themselves trapped at this level. England Under 20 captain Conor Coady has arrived on loan from Liverpool, strengthening the midfield alongside Scotsman Stephen McGinn who impressed massively on loan at Shrewsbury Town last season from Watford.
Happy with his defence, Weir has turned much of his attention to matters further up the pitch, adding striker Lyle Taylor from Falkirk for a six-figure fee and ex-Notts dwarf Febian Brandy from Walsall. Less impressive than his midfield acquisitions, Taylor may have found his goalscoring touch in the Scottish Division One, but was eye-catchingly useless on his previous outings in this division with Bournemouth, whilst Brandy is yet to prove that his impressive form for the Saddlers was anything more than a one-off in a career that has been defined by a nomadic like existence and inability to settle at one club.
The biggest additions to Weir's squad may well come from within the club itself, where more members of United's impressive youth set-up are looking to establish themselves in the side following the emergence of goalkeeper George Long and centre back Harry Maguire. Winger Callum McFadzean bagged himself a goal in the play-offs and impressed when drafted into the squad by Chris Morgan, whilst forward Joe Ironside and midfielder Elliott Whitehouse will also be looking for more minutes on the pitch this season.
The Verdict
For me, Weir seems to have built a squad at Bramall Lane that is lacking in balance and logic - with an array of central midfielders that will be the envy of much of the rest of the division but a lack of both quality and sheer striking instinct in attack. Trying to squeeze Coady, McGinn, talismatic playmaking presence Kevin McDonald and newly appointed captain Michael Doyle into the same central midfield seems like a difficult ask and one that would point Weir towards a 4-5-1 formation, but there simply aren't good enough options for the Scotsman to go with a lone forward. Taylor barely has the all-round game to be considered a footballer, let alone a lone frontman, whilst none of Shaun Miller, Jamie Murphy and Chris Porter have truly established themselves as consistent performers at the club. Out wide, they have options in Brandy, McFadzean and Ryan Flynn but nowhere near the depth or quality that they have in defence or in the centre of midfield. Worryingly for the Blades, it's difficult to see past them once again being difficult to beat but equally difficult to lose to.
Team News
Weir has injury worries with both full backs Marcus Williams and Tony McMahon unlikely to be available for the visit of Notts, meaning that youngsters Darryl Westlake and Terry Kennedy may have to be called upon or one of the club's many centre backs may have to be shifted out of position. Weir is also struggling to decide on his favoured midfield, with McGinn, Coady, Doyle and McDonald likely to be battling for two positions if Weir chooses to stick with the 4-2-3-1 formation he has favoured thus far in pre-season. Upfront, Lyle Taylor is likely to spearhead the Blades' attack, with Chris Porter and Joe Ironside in reserve and Jamie Murphy and Febian Brandy occupying the wide positions

http://www.nottscounty-mad.co.uk/feat/ed62/shine_a_light__sheffield_united_801294/index.shtml

I have to say he seems remarkably well-informed about us.
Personally, I'd struggle to name one Notts County player let alone the whole squad.
I think his verdict on our chances is interesting, albeit (hopefully) a little on the pessimistic side.
 



Incredibly well informed and interesting comments. I wouldn't have said that the friendlies were disappointing and I would say that our strikers are better than he gives them credit for.
Will be interesting to see who is right after Friday night.
 
I do feel he's been overly critical of the forwards and also of our pre-season results. We're unbeaten and the games which he points out that we've struggled in (i.e. the 1-0 at Alfreton) were largely a second string side.

The Atromitos, Mansfield and Bury games were better to judge us against and having watched all 3 I was fairly impressed with us, not least going forward.
 
Really ? Full of shit I think ,did we never mount a push for the automatics ?,was Chris Morgan an angry shouting windmiller ?, Did Maguire lead the defence ,is he a caveman like teenage monster ? and that's just the first paragraph. Hes just gone for stereotype United when even we don't know how our team will turn out.

How we see others ?

I see Notts County in black and white shirts who play in Nottingham ,and that's all I care about them.
 
It's interesting to see it through the eyes of someone else. Lyle Taylor really doesn't seem to have impressed with Bournemouth so I'm hoping that he's come back to England older and wiser! On the whole, our signings seem to have snuck under the radar which reinforces the "point to prove" label most have given them.

I would imagine too that the midfield balance will be Coady and Doyle holding with McDonald off the front man; leaving McGinn and Whitehouse on the bench to start with.

In terms of County - I know they've got a cult goalkeeper in Bialkowski and they've added Mustapha Dumbaya and Danny Haynes over the summer but without Jeff Hughes and Alan Judge you'd have to say they're weaker this season.

sitwell I agree totally about his stereotyping ("caveman", "angry", "fists windmilling") being outdated and ridiculous but it's hard to disagree that we never really looked like taking a firm grip on the division last season. "Difficult to beat but equally difficult to lose to" is an absolutely spot on analysis of last season.
 
but pre-season results have been patchy despite an unbeaten sequence, with sides from lower divisions and non-league providing more issues for the Blades than Weir would've hoped.
What a really strange comment, how does the guy know the minutiae of our pre-season games? And wrong to boot.
 
Certain inaccuracies not withstanding, a fair and balanced account is all I see.

Oh, and a fucking sight more leniant than many on here would be about last season, and indeed, the coming one.

"difficult to beat but equally difficult to lose to" kind of sums my current fears as well. Hoping it turns out a lot more of the former and we can become impossible to beat at home.
 
He's making a meal of our central midfield. It's not that difficult. McGinn, Doyle and Coady will be fighting for the two defensive roles. McDonald will have a free role further forward.

Having a lone central forward doesn't mean he'll be up there on his own, and Murphy/Brandy/McDonald will be expected to support the striker as well as scoring their share of goals.

The balance is better in recent years, though I'd also welcome another option up front/out wide.
 
For me, Weir seems to have built a squad at Bramall Lane that is lacking in balance and logic - with an array of central midfielders that will be the envy of much of the rest of the division but a lack of both quality and sheer striking instinct in attack. Trying to squeeze Coady, McGinn, talismatic playmaking presence Kevin McDonald and newly appointed captain Michael Doyle into the same central midfield seems like a difficult ask and one that would point Weir towards a 4-5-1 formation, but there simply aren't good enough options for the Scotsman to go with a lone forward. Taylor barely has the all-round game to be considered a footballer, let alone a lone frontman, whilst none of Shaun Miller, Jamie Murphy and Chris Porter have truly established themselves as consistent performers at the club. Out wide, they have options in Brandy, McFadzean and Ryan Flynn but nowhere near the depth or quality that they have in defence or in the centre of midfield. Worryingly for the Blades, it's difficult to see past them once again being difficult to beat but equally difficult to lose to.

This is an excellent summary of the problems that I fear are going to come from playing with the formation that Weir appears to favour.
 
Taylor barely has the all-round game to be considered a footballer

WTF.......? Has he closely followed Taylors career, watching him intently and studying and dissecting every part of his game...?

The guy is full of shit, some amatuer who fancies himself as a serious journo. Not fit to lace our Deadbats boots!
 



Having a lone central forward doesn't mean he'll be up there on his own, and Murphy/Brandy/McDonald will be expected to support the striker as well as scoring their share of goals.

This is the big risk with this system. Having a loan centre forward doesn't mean the forward will be up there on his own - if the midfielders and wingers are very good at attacking. If they are not, it is 4-5-1 by another name. And unfortunately, this is what happens more often that not outside the Premier League, where the system works because the likes of Frank Lampard are well suited to it.

I have not seen Brandy, but McDonald took a step back last season and certainly does not appear to have a lot of goals in him, and Murphy was terribly disappointing. I just do not see that these players are good enough to make this system a success.

I suppose the counter argument is that McDonald is freed from defensive duties by having 2 defensive midifielders, but given the (comparative) strength of our central defence this just seems like extra cover we do not need.​
 
NEVER REALLY MOUNTED A CHALLENGE ?

after 35 games we were 2nd , isnt that challenging

Indeed, after we got that vital win at Tranmere on Easter Friday, we were a hot favourites for automatic. Certainly the bookies thought so.

7 points from our last 8 games soon put an end to that.
 
Revolution Murphy was a disappointment because he was played out of position as a wide midfielder under Wilson and Morgan. His natural game was tempered by the need to defend more than half the time, particularly under Wilson.

I expect him to be a revelation this season with more licence to attack. Same goes for Brandy on the other side; it's nice to see a United manager seemingly more interested in making the opposition stop us than worrying about stopping them.

Porter should start up front but, as with central midfield, the competition for places will mean that he can't be assured of his place.

Finally, I would hope that McDonald will score close to double figures. If he can put the same mindset into shooting as he does into passing that's not going to be a problem.
 
We will know better after 10 or so games. Anything is currently guesswork of the highest order. Although he seemed to get last season pretty much nailed to be fair.
 
Revolution Murphy was a disappointment because he was played out of position as a wide midfielder under Wilson and Morgan. His natural game was tempered by the need to defend more than half the time, particularly under Wilson.

I expect him to be a revelation this season with more licence to attack. Same goes for Brandy on the other side; it's nice to see a United manager seemingly more interested in making the opposition stop us than worrying about stopping them.

Porter should start up front but, as with central midfield, the competition for places will mean that he can't be assured of his place.

Finally, I would hope that McDonald will score close to double figures. If he can put the same mindset into shooting as he does into passing that's not going to be a problem.

Balham, you may be right re Murphy and Brandy (and I hope you are) but there is no chance in hell of Mcdonald getting double figures, surely? He has managed 4 in 76 games, half of which were played in a team where he had more freedom and got better support than he'll get this year. That's just pie in the sky.

As for Porter, I don't rate him. I know some do, but unless Brandy et al really do support him it'll be 4-5-1 in all but name.
 
Last SeasonIt was an odd season at Bramall Lane in 2012/13, as the Blades never really seemed to convince themselves or anybody else despire occupying a top six spot for almost the entire season. By the end, the schism between ex-Wednesday man Danny Wilson and the supporters became too much for the club to continue to maintain and he was sacked just before the play-offs, in which United were beaten by eventual winners Yeovil Town as Chris Morgan's unique brand of angry shouting and fist-windmilling failed to motivate a side who looked entirely disinterested by a shot a promotion.
Never really threatening to mount a genuine push for the automatic places, the campaign was defined by a lack of goals as Wilson was unable to replace Ched Evans following his incarceration at the tail end of the previous year, although they remained difficult to beat with one of the division's meanest defences being led by caveman-like teenage monster Harry Maguire. Draws were also an issue, particularly at Bramall Lane, where United consistently found themselves unable to take maximum points from limited but stubborn opposition.


Could have sworn were top around Christmas time.
 
He has managed 4 in 76 games, half of which were played in a team where he had more freedom and got better support than he'll get this year.
As for Porter, I don't rate him. I know some do, but unless Brandy et al really do support him it'll be 4-5-1 in all but name.


Depends on systems , how did Micheal Brown suddenly score 20 plus goals for us in one season , then dropped to 2 or 3 later on, in midfield depends if you do what Lampard does so well, drive in in support .He may be encouraged to have far more digs at goal, dont shoot you dont get the goals , same for Porter
 
Depends on systems , how did Micheal Brown suddenly score 20 plus goals for us in one season , then dropped to 2 or 3 later on, in midfield depends if you do what Lampard does so well, drive in in support .He may be encouraged to have far more digs at goal, dont shoot you dont get the goals , same for Porter

Another of your apples and oranges comparisons. Brown always chipped in with 4 or 5 a year, and then had a career year where he scored a genuinely impressive number of goals - though a fair number were penalties and free kicks which McDonald does not take. He was not coming from as low a base as McDonald.

Brown also dropped in the next half season because people started double teaming him after McCall's legs started to go, and of course he was gone by early December due to getting sent off for the 2nd time and then sold.

And yes, Lampard does that so well. No one on our books is capable of that.
 
its because he had mccall , he did so well , could be not so much apples and oranges if Coady gives maccyd the same assistance
 
Balham, you may be right re Murphy and Brandy (and I hope you are) but there is no chance in hell of Mcdonald getting double figures, surely? He has managed 4 in 76 games, half of which were played in a team where he had more freedom and got better support than he'll get this year. That's just pie in the sky.

As for Porter, I don't rate him. I know some do, but unless Brandy et al really do support him it'll be 4-5-1 in all but name.

The thing is, McDonald is technically capable of scoring that many goals. The issue has always been his ability to get up and down the pitch - I can't think of many occasions last season when he got into a goalscoring position as he preferred to sit deep.

In 2011-12 he didn't need to score goals as we had Williamson and Evans and I do wonder whether he's one of those players who'd rather get a great assist than score a goal.
 
Indeed, after we got that vital win at Tranmere on Easter Friday, we were a hot favourites for automatic. Certainly the bookies thought so.

7 points from our last 8 games soon put an end to that.


As has been shown before and is the case again here, the bookies know bugger all about this level.
 
apparently the last 18 favourites for league 1 with bookies have failed to go up, , well on sky sports 72 review they said that was the case, so wolves have no chance
 



apparently the last 18 favourites for league 1 with bookies have failed to go up, , well on sky sports 72 review they said that was the case, so wolves have no chance


Well there we go, my point exactly. They don't care a jot about this level.
 

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