Deep financial trouble ahead

[Sean Thornton]

Was reading a balance sheet of a youtuber who had registered as a public business.. under intangible assets had listed his websites domain name as worth 50 million dollars

Dozy at it again?

 

[Bladesman]

Amazingly, this is is the polar opposite to what I’ve heard from my sources.

Your source isn't a bottle of Peroni is it?

 

[ekke287]

Can you elaborate ekke?

I did above to Sean T.

 

[Blade58]

I did above to Sean T.

Missed that ekke. Cheers

 

[Champagneblade]

Sean Thornton Carlton Blade

Are we at the point yet where the parent steps in and says “now both say you’re sorry and shake hands”?

Still trying to pinpoint where this thread started to look more like Eastenders “you’re not my mother!” “Yes I am” (shows how long ago I watched it).

Back to the topic though…

Would I be right in saying we didn’t ought to owe much money now, in terms of servicing fees?

Brewster - we read 23.5m but wasn’t that even as low as 18m(ish) before add ons? We probably have 1 or 2 of him to pay if every 6 months.

Anel - still in contract but must be about a million for the year. Though a potential transfer casualty. How does that work? Does his fee still get spread even when he’s gone?

Then you have the other signings of the summer.

Archer - returns so you’d expect we could largely discount him.

Hamer - likely offset by incomings from
Ndiaye.

Souza - likely offset by incomings from Berge though also a potential transfer casualty.

Slimane, Trusty, Traore, Grbic - maybe around 12m over 4 years plus of course one or more could be transfer casualties.

It seems like we are lower on payments than in recent years plus of course there is potential to get the wage bill down a fair bit.

I’m resigned to the fact Baldock may leave. We’ve been bigging up Bogle recently who I understand has an option plus we have Curtis, Seriki and Sachdev all queued up. It makes little sense to have so many of the same position on the books. Surely one is expected to break through?

Then you have your Norwoods who are now eclipsed by Arblaster that you’d expect will move for more regular football.

Provided we sell who we intend then are things really so bad?

 

[Carlton Blade]

Sean Thornton Carlton Blade

Are we at the point yet where the parent steps in and says “now both say you’re sorry and shake hands”?

Still trying to pinpoint where this thread started to look more like Eastenders “you’re not my mother!” “Yes I am” (shows how long ago I watched it).

Back to the topic though…

Would I be right in saying we didn’t ought to owe much money now, in terms of servicing fees?

Brewster - we read 23.5m but wasn’t that even as low as 18m(ish) before add ons? We probably have 1 or 2 of him to pay if every 6 months.

Anel - still in contract but must be about a million for the year. Though a potential transfer casualty. How does that work? Does his fee still get spread even when he’s gone?

Then you have the other signings of the summer.

Archer - returns so you’d expect we could largely discount him.

Hamer - likely offset by incomings from
Ndiaye.

Souza - likely offset by incomings from Berge though also a potential transfer casualty.

Slimane, Trusty, Traore, Grbic - maybe around 12m over 4 years plus of course one or more could be transfer casualties.

It seems like we are lower on payments than in recent years plus of course there is potential to get the wage bill down a fair bit.

I’m resigned to the fact Baldock may leave. We’ve been bigging up Bogle recently who I understand has an option plus we have Curtis, Seriki and Sachdev all queued up. It makes little sense to have so many of the same position on the books. Surely one is expected to break through?

Then you have your Norwoods who are now eclipsed by Arblaster that you’d expect will move for more regular football.

Provided we sell who we intend then are things really so bad?

We've got the funding and financial situation (unless things have drastically changed) to be competitive in the Championship. Obviously dependant on sales, the owner/directirs taking any money back etc.

Millwall usually have a £20-25m wahe bill. Cardiff were £30m last season but they are bringing it down. Bristol City were at £36m but they have a generous owner. I think United will be somewhere around the Cardiff range. Our wage bill in 21/22 was £36m.

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

Next season is going to be very very tough, don’t expect anything going into next season. We are sailing very very close to the wind.

With respect, pease elaborate, Rifleman. Public statements from Bettis state that we will not be in the same financial mess we were in during the promotion season, because the PL money from this season has been used to clear debts. Are you saying this is not true? If we are in financial mess then why is this the case? Was the PL money not used to settle debts? Has it been taken out of the club?

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

Sean Thornton Carlton Blade

Are we at the point yet where the parent steps in and says “now both say you’re sorry and shake hands”?

Still trying to pinpoint where this thread started to look more like Eastenders “you’re not my mother!” “Yes I am” (shows how long ago I watched it).

Back to the topic though…

Would I be right in saying we didn’t ought to owe much money now, in terms of servicing fees?

Brewster - we read 23.5m but wasn’t that even as low as 18m(ish) before add ons? We probably have 1 or 2 of him to pay if every 6 months.

Anel - still in contract but must be about a million for the year. Though a potential transfer casualty. How does that work? Does his fee still get spread even when he’s gone?

Then you have the other signings of the summer.

Archer - returns so you’d expect we could largely discount him.

Hamer - likely offset by incomings from
Ndiaye.

Souza - likely offset by incomings from Berge though also a potential transfer casualty.

Slimane, Trusty, Traore, Grbic - maybe around 12m over 4 years plus of course one or more could be transfer casualties.

It seems like we are lower on payments than in recent years plus of course there is potential to get the wage bill down a fair bit.

I’m resigned to the fact Baldock may leave. We’ve been bigging up Bogle recently who I understand has an option plus we have Curtis, Seriki and Sachdev all queued up. It makes little sense to have so many of the same position on the books. Surely one is expected to break through?

Then you have your Norwoods who are now eclipsed by Arblaster that you’d expect will move for more regular football.

Provided we sell who we intend then are things really so bad?

Bogle is a good winger and great in attack, but terrible at defending. I'd give him a new deal as a midfielder to play alongside Hamer and Arblaster. That leaves us short at right back if Baldock leaves as Curtis, Seriki and Sachdev are nowhere near Championship level yet.

 

[Rifleman ITK]

With respect, pease elaborate, Rifleman. Public statements from Bettis state that we will not be in the same financial mess we were in during the promotion season, because the PL money from this season has been used to clear debts. Are you saying this is not true? If we are in financial mess then why is this the case? Was the PL money not used to settle debts? Has it been taken out of the club?

Bettis is a puppet, legally I won’t be divulging the facts until a later date but the points deduction is just the start.

We are a financial basket case of a football club and it isn’t getting better, it’s getting worse by the day. We need someone to buy the club before next season.

 

[Gin&Juice]

Bettis is a puppet, legally I won’t be divulging the facts until a later date but the points deduction is just the start.

We are a financial basket case of a football club and it isn’t getting better, it’s getting worse by the day. We need someone to buy the club before next season.

Fucking hell, you sound like one of those Facebook Mums who’s had a bad “experience” at the local Tesco.

 

[TJB.]

I won’t be divulging the facts until a later date

28th of Nevertember, 2097. Around the same time hell freezes over, I suspect.

 

[Grizzly blade]

Bogle is a good winger and great in attack, but terrible at defending. I'd give him a new deal as a midfielder to play alongside Hamer and Arblaster. That leaves us short at right back if Baldock leaves as Curtis, Seriki and Sachdev are nowhere near Championship level yet.

Nonsense.
You just lack an understanding of a wing backs defending responsibilities.
He’s more than capable, especially at Champ level, at defending 1v1’s, like may others he does struggle against top wingers. Baldock fairs better perhaps in those occasions however through aggression rather than ability.

main attribute of a wing back in the system we play is to be quick and have an engine, and the creativity out wide with the lack of width in midfield and up front.
He ticks both boxes there. Its not his fault those in the central defensive/midfield/forward areas haven’t been able to do their job and retain possession when he’s pushed on into the wider attacking areas.

Bogle in midfield? Our midfield is central. You need to be good on the ball but able to manage being in the centre of the pitch and exposed to pressure from all angles. It’s a specific ability he doesn’t have.

Resigning him is a no brainer. He’d be top of every team in the champs list of targets.

 

[Gin&Juice]

28th of Nevertember, 2097. Around the same time hell freezes over, I suspect.

Bettis is a puppet, legally I won’t be divulging the facts until a later date but the points deduction is just the start.

We are a financial basket case of a football club and it isn’t getting better, it’s getting worse by the day. We need someone to buy the club before next season.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Bettis is a puppet, legally I won’t be divulging the facts until a later date but the points deduction is just the start.

We are a financial basket case of a football club and it isn’t getting better, it’s getting worse by the day. We need someone to buy the club before next season.

If they are facts you shouldn’t have any legal problems with disclosure.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

Bogle w

Nonsense.
You just lack an understanding of a wing backs defending responsibilities.
He’s more than capable, especially at Champ level, at defending 1v1’s, like may others he does struggle against top wingers. Baldock fairs better perhaps in those occasions however through aggression rather than ability.

main attribute of a wing back in the system we play is to be quick and have an engine, and the creativity out wide with the lack of width in midfield and up front.
He ticks both boxes there. Its not his fault those in the central defensive/midfield/forward areas haven’t been able to do their job and retain possession when he’s pushed on into the wider attacking areas.

Bogle in midfield? Our midfield is central. You need to be good on the ball but able to manage being in the centre of the pitch and exposed to pressure from all angles. It’s a specific ability he doesn’t have.

Resigning him is a no brainer. He’d be top of every team in the champs list of targets.

Bogle was defensively suspect last season, he always has been, but good going forwards. Baldock has always been great defensively but poor in attack. Combine then together and you havea great player.

You've slightly contradicted yourself here as you say that Bogle is a good defender but struggles against top wingers. If he was that good then he wouldn't struggle. If he does struggle then he can't be that good. When we play Baldock teams target our left side. When we play Bogle they target both as they recognise him as a weakness in our defence. If you mean top Premier League wingers then fair point, but if you're talking Championship then there is some contradiction there.

I like Bogle but still maintain that he'd be a better winger with someone like Baldock behind him to cover his defensive inadequacies.

I know we play mainly a central midfield, but maybe it's time we changed that and found something new that plays to our strengths.

I for one am bored of our tired and old 3 at the back with wing backs and teams now know how to take advantage of it. I'd happily see us move to a 4-2-3-1 or 4-1-3-2, hell even a 4-5-1 wouldn't go amiss with a deep sitting midfielder to protect the back four.

 

[Laney Blade]

Do you for one minute the jokes of clubs what Prince has bought into are self sufficient no fucking way his organisation filters money premiership money our clubs money through their books that was always his plan

Yep. I meant how much have we handed over. I asked after someone suggested we’d get a lump from Villa when he goes back.

Steve Bettis said all payments from last summer's signings were rolled over until the end of this season. When we get this seasons Prem money. It's £118 Mill for the club who finishes bottom. So I guess that will be us.

 

[Laney Blade]

If they are facts you shouldn’t have any legal problems with disclosure.

Yes but the person who leaked it will get in bother ie sacked. Which is why I never reveal my source.

 

[Laney Blade]

78m admin.. jeez no wonder clubs are skint

Admin covers a multitude of sins. Where are the 4 Directors salaries ? & the £5M to our Chairman Giansiracusa , which Danny Hall spotted in the latest published accounts. Supposedly for advice / consultancy.

 

[CPB]

I expect we will keep ourselves well within budget. Because otherwise we run the risk of further points deductions.

But I hope that given we have purchased the land up at dore, around the ground and also that Bettis and Prince have alluded to that we needed to clear debts with this seasons Prem campaign.

That they have also planned for us to be very competitive next season.

I'm not saying we need to have a top 2 budget but a top 4 or 6 one should be expected.

 

[Grizzly blade]

Bogle w

Bogle was defensively suspect last season, he always has been, but good going forwards. Baldock has always been great defensively but poor in attack. Combine then together and you havea great player.

You've slightly contradicted yourself here as you say that Bogle is a good defender but struggles against top wingers. If he was that good then he wouldn't struggle. If he does struggle then he can't be that good. When we play Baldock teams target our left side. When we play Bogle they target both as they recognise him as a weakness in our defence. If you mean top Premier League wingers then fair point, but if you're talking Championship then there is some contradiction there.

I like Bogle but still maintain that he'd be a better winger with someone like Baldock behind him to cover his defensive inadequacies.

I know we play mainly a central midfield, but maybe it's time we changed that and found something new that plays to our strengths.

I for one am bored of our tired and old 3 at the back with wing backs and teams now know how to take advantage of it. I'd happily see us move to a 4-2-3-1 or 4-1-3-2, hell even a 4-5-1 wouldn't go amiss with a deep sitting midfielder to protect the back four.

Bogle struggled for fitness last season. He’s proved through some good games this season he can defend.

There is no contradiction, at Champ level he’s decent, only struggling against the top wide players this season, just as nearly all do.

And I do t give a toss whether we reinvent the previous systems. They provided results and some great winning football.
I want results and some good football to enjoy.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Yes but the person who leaked it will get in bother ie sacked. Which is why I never reveal my source.

No one has ever sued a neighbours dog.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Steve Bettis said all payments from last summer's signings were rolled over until the end of this season. When we get this seasons Prem money. It's £118 Mill for the club who finishes bottom. So I guess that will be us.

The PL money is paid in stages with only the final payment at the seasons end. Oh, and the money goes to Macquarie Bank who hold charges over it, not United World. If you have a source telling you this it’s very possible they are having a laugh at your expense.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Admin covers a multitude of sins. Where are the 4 Directors salaries ? & the £5M to our Chairman Giansiracusa , which Danny Hall spotted in the latest published accounts. Supposedly for advice / consultancy.

I doubt Danny Hall said that because the published accounts show no payments to Directors. ( there are three not four inc YG) None. You really ought to get a grip Laney. You know nothing. You claimed Hecky said xyz about finances at a Senior Blades meeting which was immediately discredited by other members who were there.

You need to put your prejudices about an Arab/Muslim owning the club aside.

It’s lie after lie after lie from you. It’s pathetic. Not even the most rabid anti Princer gives any credence to your stupid spiteful claims.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I doubt Danny Hall said that because the published accounts show no payments to Directors. ( there are three not four inc YG) None. You really ought to get a grip Laney. You know nothing. You claimed Hecky said xyz about finances at a Senior Blades meeting which was immediately discredited by other members who were there.

You need to put your prejudices about an Arab/Muslim owning the club aside.

It’s lie after lie after lie from you. It’s pathetic. Not even the most rabid anti Princer gives any credence to your stupid spiteful claims.

Over to stringer?

 

[Andy67]

You really believe that this owner will let the manager spend anything we get back for Archer???

We won’t get anything back for Archer.

 

[UddersBlade]

We won’t get anything back for Archer.

Sorry….what do you mean. Are you telling us that we have paid £18 million and we won’t get that back if he goes back to Villa? Or are you saying we only paid effectively a ‘loan fee’ circa £2 million?

 

[jono_t2000]

Yes but the person who leaked it will get in bother ie sacked. Which is why I never reveal my source.

Wait did Laney Blade accidentally admit to being Rifleman

Sean Thornton It all starts to make sense now

 

[Andy67]

If they are facts you shouldn’t have any legal problems with disclosure.

Irrespective of whether he is saying is true or not you often state that someone should reveal their source when they can’t and you scoff at the same time you then threaten that legal action would follow if they did. I have always wondered why you do this. I could never reveal my sources as it would not go to well for the person/s passing on the information. The prince doesn’t take very kindly to people revealing info and can turn nasty. You have stated before about legal action and it sounds like you want to warn people off from saying anything damaging.You must have a motive as you’ve done it on numerous occasions. The prince is renowned for imposing ndas on people that go as far as they can’t say they’ve had an NDA otherwise they have breached it. I know this for a cert and couldn’t say with who and why because of the ramifications of it being revealed.

 

[Andy67]

Sorry….what do you mean. Are you telling us that we have paid £18 million and we won’t get that back if he goes back to Villa? Or are you saying we only paid effectively a ‘loan fee’ circa £2 million?

Loan fee only. As i said at the end of last season we won’t be spending anything and in effect with outgoings we didn’t.

 

[jono_t2000]

The prince is renowned for imposing ndas on people that go as far as they can’t say they’ve had an NDA otherwise they have breached it. I know this for a cert

You know for a cert that people have signed NDAs saying they can't say they've signed an NDA?

I'm sorry, but that is total bullshit.

Even if they tried to write that into the NDA there would be no legal standpoint if someone asked them a question they were not allowed to respond saying the reason they can't answer is because theyve signed a non disclosure.

Unless of course it's all bullshit.

I'm starting to think Laney Blade / Andy67 / Rifleman is all the same person just rotating each time one of them loses credibility.

I guess Foxy would know via IP addresses.