CONFIRMED Berge to Burnley

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Gimli said:
The more I see of Hamer the more I think we’ve played an absolute master stroke in effectively upgrading that position, particularly because of the point you make here, Berge had great games and I liked him but is not athletic or physical enough to cope with English football
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Even his great games were about moments of “brilliance”. I never saw one game where he dominated throughout, or anywhere near.
 

My concern with Berge when we got promoted was that he wouldn't be combative enough for the PL, not suited to a relegation battle. I actually think though that with United he had his place sorted in the team, he had the licence to drive forward and from last season's performances it seemed that he had found his niche with us. I don't know if it was his decision or United's to sell but I would definitely say that Hamer is an upgrade on Berge and I think if it was Berge's decision to leave than it was a mistake. He's a frustrating player to watch because he has many good attributes but seems to coast through games, I recall when he said last season against Spurs I think it was that he enjoyed the game because it wasn't at Championship pace essentially, i.e at 100mph. But the problem there for Berge is that the PL is at 100mph its just that the quality of play is much higher too and he won't thrive in the PL for a team fighting relegation unless he plays in an advanced position but where he plays he needs to do more defensively. This is where Hamer with his intensity is a better player.
 
Funny how everyone's elses fans (because of the media?) think Berge was some amazing player, what an amazing swap for us.
 
You know just how much some in the media saw us last season or are aware of who we really are and who we have playing for us, when you keep hearing them say to each other 'how do you think SUFC will get on this season after they sold their best two players...?'. In truth, and it's patently obvious to anyone who saw United more than 3 games last season, Ndiaye was the star of the show (I suppose you could say he was out 'best' player but that's always subjective and open to interpretation as our many saves did Wes make etc). However Berge most definitely was not or anywhere near our 'best player' or 'best two players'. He was in the side regularly yes, and a cof in the wheel and did fine but he sure we hell wasn't a major player for us last season imo. There were plenty of other current United players who thought were of more value to our team and were more important. Baldock, Egan, Wes, Robinson, Doyle, McAtee, Anel, etc in truth we sold who could be considered out most gifted player and another one who happened to have a bigger reputation than the others in the squad but who wasn't any great shake. As Sir Vincent Kompany's Burnley are now finding out. It's just lazy journalism.
 
was a bit demeaning to get hooked off a minute into the second half
but it's like putting a mini cam belt in a VOLVO engine, not really working too well
 
Torrix1889 said:
Probably Burnley thinking what the fuck have we signed...much like Marseille fans are with Illiman....
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I might need to take off my Blades-tinted spectacles, but you do think both would've had happier, more settled starts to their seasons, had they been here.

Burnley wasn't the big move Berge's national team manager was banging on about. Every bit the sideways step.

Marseille wasn't the idealistic dream and romance story Illy was promised. He's just a cog in the machine there, rather than the starboy here.

The grass isn't always greener. Agents and others offer poor advice.
 
Pedro's Winger said:
Berge is much more likely to be playing in the Prem next season with his current club as he has better players around him than Hamer does.
Burnley will probably have enough possession and create enough chances to stay up.
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Doesn't matter how much possession Burnley have and how many chances they create; if they continue to concede 3 goals a game on average they'll go down.
 
Pedro's Winger said:
Berge is much more likely to be playing in the Prem next season with his current club as he has better players around him than Hamer does.
Burnley will probably have enough possession and create enough chances to stay up.
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I think we'll finish above Burnley. I think we'll both probably go down though.
 

Burnley fans are much happier with Berge after yesterday's cameo much higher up the pitch. As we know he can be great driving into the box but he still looked a bit lost and uncommitted in the bit I saw. Then for Forest, Gibbs White was back on the half way line last man back to lump it in the box! I was shouting at the tv and they are not our players anymore!
 
Kozzy_is_my_Dad said:
I might need to take off my Blades-tinted spectacles, but you do think both would've had happier, more settled starts to their seasons, had they been here.

Burnley wasn't the big move Berge's national team manager was banging on about. Every bit the sideways step.

Marseille wasn't the idealistic dream and romance story Illy was promised. He's just a cog in the machine there, rather than the starboy here.

The grass isn't always greener. Agents and others offer poor advice.
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I think had Berge got his wish and waited out his contract, leaving on a free, then his destination would've been somewhere higher up the leagues than Burnley. But he was pretty much given little choice and i think that whilst leaving on a free is harsh on a club like ourselves, because we don't get a fee, he didn't act like a complete shit house and took the offer than came along once we accepted the bid for him.

I am sure it wouldn't be his first choice, but Burnley perhaps play a game more suited to Berge's softer side rather than the harder graft he'd put in with us.

So whilst he's moved onto a new challenge, it's not going to be top 10 Premier league football.

Pedro's Winger said:
Berge is much more likely to be playing in the Prem next season with his current club as he has better players around him than Hamer does.
Burnley will probably have enough possession and create enough chances to stay up.
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As others have said, he's playing for a side that, unless they adapt and become more defensive minded, they'll concede a lot of goals whilst playing prettier football.

I can see us both struggling, but perhaps Burnley more so unless they change their ways. Their squad size, comparatively speaking, to ours might be their saving grace...
 
Balham Blade said:
Doesn't matter how much possession Burnley have and how many chances they create; if they continue to concede 3 goals a game on average they'll go down.
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It does matter. Football's moved on again and just setting out to defend isn't enough in the Prem.
Teams that have more of the ball and create more chances are more likely to gain points. And in the context of Berge, we no longer have any players who can drive forward with the ball despite some fans wanting him to fail away from the Lane.
 
Pedro's Winger said:
It does matter. Football's moved on again and just setting out to defend isn't enough in the Prem.
Teams that have more of the ball and create more chances are more likely to gain points. And in the context of Berge, we no longer have any players who can drive forward with the ball despite some fans wanting him to fail away from the Lane.
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And if a team concedes 114 goals they finish rock bottom, think that's the point of what you're replying to unless you disagree
 
Pedro's Winger said:
It does matter. Football's moved on again and just setting out to defend isn't enough in the Prem.
Teams that have more of the ball and create more chances are more likely to gain points. And in the context of Berge, we no longer have any players who can drive forward with the ball despite some fans wanting him to fail away from the Lane.
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I'm not going to disagree with the gist of your post, at some point we're going to have to start to play more attacking football which is why I've advocated a shift to a back four elsewhere. However, if Burnley don't find the balance they're going to end up losing 25-30 games this season because they just don't have the firepower to score the two to four goals they currently need each game.

On the driving forward point: Gus Hamer would beg to differ. He's also a long range goal threat which Berge never really was, that glorious shot against Swansea notwithstanding.
 
Good performance from Berge tonight who showed composure to pick out the right pass for the Foster goal. Hamer hasn’t got the same ability and I’d swap him for Berge any day of the week. Hamer hasn’t got the same end product sadly. As for Souza not even in the same league!
 
crazyblade1889 said:
Good performance from Berge tonight who showed composure to pick out the right pass for the Foster goal. Hamer hasn’t got the same ability and I’d swap him for Berge any day of the week. Hamer hasn’t got the same end product sadly. As for Souza not even in the same league!
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Berge was going to walk for nothing and I wouldn't have blamed him.
We did what we had to do.
 
He was man of the match for me tonight. Looked very good. But it was against a poor Luton side.
 
crazyblade1889 said:
Good performance from Berge tonight who showed composure to pick out the right pass for the Foster goal. Hamer hasn’t got the same ability and I’d swap him for Berge any day of the week. Hamer hasn’t got the same end product sadly. As for Souza not even in the same league!
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Funny how things changed in a 1-2 week period, Berge has been horrendous so far for Burnley. One good game against a Championship side. Hamer has played better overall.
 
crazyblade1889 said:
Good performance from Berge tonight who showed composure to pick out the right pass for the Foster goal. Hamer hasn’t got the same ability and I’d swap him for Berge any day of the week. Hamer hasn’t got the same end product sadly. As for Souza not even in the same league!
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We haven't seen the best of Hamer yet. Only glimpses, Berge wouldn't have scored the two he has this season. Berge also doesn't have the crossing qualities of Hamer.

They are different players in truth. Hamer brings bit more tenacity, better passing (not yet seen fully) and better knack at scoring. Probably a better finisher.

Sander brought ball carrying, and often giving us an outlet which we have missed this season. Although others currently with us could do much more here.

We don't fully know the reasons why Sander wouldn't agree a new deal with us. We don't know what we even offered him to try and stay.

Really it would have been good to have had both. But never an option with our v.small transfer budget.

But I still feel Hamer will be probably out best signing of the summer overall.
I feel the midfield aren't too sure of all their roles.
 
crazyblade1889 said:
Good performance from Berge tonight who showed composure to pick out the right pass for the Foster goal. Hamer hasn’t got the same ability and I’d swap him for Berge any day of the week. Hamer hasn’t got the same end product sadly. As for Souza not even in the same league!
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We've both played City, Forest, Spurs and Newcastle in our opening 7 games

Hamer has 2 goals from our total of 5 team goals
Berge has, what, 1 assist from Burnley's 6 goals?

That suggests that Hamer has more end product...
 
I agree with others that we havent seen the best of hamer yet but so far i would say Berge is the better player.

we really miss Berge’s composure, passing ability and carrys in midfield. I’ve been very disappointed with hamers passing so far. I’m hoping it will improve but he loses possession far too frequently in a league where we can’t afford to do that. Hamer has quality but it’s not quite clicking for him at the moment.
 

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