How about "welcome and good luck"?

[United Aren't Back.]

He was moved on because he wasn't good enough for a club challenging for the top of the Championship. I think you'd agree that the situation is a little different now.

Lets be right, forte made a handful of appearances only, colin is a poor judge of any player at any time.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Blades boss Wilson is looking to strengthen his squad following the departure of leading goalscorer Nick Blackman to Reading and is close to signing former Scotland international Barry Robson, who left Vancouver Whitecaps earlier this month.
Wilson revealed he had been keen to bring Charlton's Wright-Phillips, but had cooled his interest due to finances.
"We remain hopeful of realistically bringing in one or two players before Friday's game (against Coventry)," Wilson said.
"Bradley Wright-Phillips was on our radar, but isn't anymore and that's because of costings.
"We have to be realistic and we can't bring players in who will take us over the Salary Cost Management Protocol (SCMP).
"There is nothing is the rumours about Mark (Duffy) of Scunthorpe United, we have our wide players already at the club and Lee (Williamson) was tremendous for us in my time here, but times have moved on and so has Lee."

we turn more and more into an episode of fonejacker every day.
all we need is terry tibbs on the phone to buy our used teapots.

How would anyone bring that willo back after what he said about the club?

 

[stannyblade]

Not forgetting the early termination of Cofie's loan deal to make it a JTW of 4 out, balancing off the 4 in!

And thats a bad thing because? The four in make us IMO a better squad than the four that have left possibly with the exception of Blackman but overall the squad has been improved. Oh and Harry is still with us

 

[j j]

This is one of the reasons why our beloved club won't go any where. By pretending noting is wrong, the players will just think everything is OK. The chairman, as well as the players and mangers should be told the hard truth. If it wasn't for us, they wouldn't be on their wages. They are very lucky bunch of guys but because it's football, they have confidence problems and can't be told the truth. They should grow a pair.

I don't see anyone pretending nothing is wrong but I see several people on here pretending that everything is wrong. It is not. It is February. We are well placed for a promotion chase. We can still go up automatically. We can still make the play-offs. We can still be involved in exciting games trying to make one or other of those things happen. I intend to enjoy the rest of the season. If reckon if folks don't enjoy the prospect of a promotion fight then they should (for their own happiness and well-being) find something else to be passionate about. All this slagging off is boring.

 

[mpjacko]

All this slagging off is boring.

Just as much as same fans wearing tinted glasses and pretending everything is OK at the club.


Maybe, just maybe one day we could have a promotion fight without both of our hands tied behind our backs

 

[super_pig]

this salary management is a crock of shit sorry.. most of the squad are ex academy players in their first season.. how much are Cresswell and Doyle on ffs!!??

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

only because a certain striker turned out to not be shit after all. without that fluke, how many points would we have got?

If he hadn't been thinking with his dick one night he wouldn't have still been here anyway.

 

[jezzablade]

Alco,

I disagree that all chairmen are egotists some definately are without doubt but Kevin McCabe is not. He is a realist and sees the whole club in a helicopter view not just the first team results. He has aquired a phenominal acadamy set up that is bearing fruit yes he sells some of them but for those that argue he sells all assets then why is McGuire still with us when Newcastle and Chelsea want him? Why is Diego still with us when both Man U and Man C wanted him?Many Blades fans seem to think that every player that plays for us instantly becomes a massive blades fan that wouldn't want to leave and its only the evil McCabe that has forced them out of the door. To those that we aquire it is a career. If the prem comes calling with massive salary and win bonuses score bonuses and the chance to play at the best grounds in the country the young lads are going to take it.

Even McCabe can't magic someone to come in and score 30 goals in a season nor was Blackman a slave that can be forced to stay. He had more than one prem offer. Wilson can only attract who is available and it has to match the new rules.

If we get up this year we had a development squad that will be able to beef up the first team and the chance for some additions.

I still believe that McCabe has the best interests of the club at heart (and wallet) and have seen Bramall Lane and the academy improve under his stewardship fit to grace the premier league we just need to get the team right it may take time.

 

[jezzablade]

this salary management is a crock of shit sorry.. most of the squad are ex academy players in their first season.. how much are Cresswell and Doyle on ffs!!??

Cresswell after I spoke to him = not a lot and his salary is mostly set off as a coach.

 

[jezzablade]

Over the window we have brought in a defender, a winger, a striker and a midfielder and we have let go 1 striker. Blackman may have been getting better at playing others in and not hogging the ball but he wasn't the finnished article by any means.

 

[Balham]

this salary management is a crock of shit sorry.. most of the squad are ex academy players in their first season.. how much are Cresswell and Doyle on ffs!!??

Our turnover last season was £10.5m. Take off some for general decline - no sell-outs this year, lower crowds, worse cup performance offset by £4.5m of player sales - gives £10m turnover - 60% of which leaves us with a £6m wage budget.

I've estimated the basic salaries below but the total is £4,150k. Add on appearance bonuses, goal bonuses, employer's NI and it's not going to be far off that £6m figure.

Goalkeepers: £335k
Howard: £5k (£260k)
Long: £1k (£50k)
Coyne: £1k (£25k)

Defence: £1,275k
Collins: £6.5k (£340k)
McMahon: £5k (£260k)
Higginbotham £4k (£100k)
Hill: £3k (£155k)
Maguire: £2.5k (£130k)
Williams: £2k (£105k)
Westlake: £1.5k (£75k)
LJF: £1.5k (£75k)
Kennedy: £0.5k (£25k)

Midfield: £1,120k
Doyle: £6.5k (£340k)
McDonald: £5k (£260k)
Robson: £5k (£125k)
Murphy: £4k (£100k)
Flynn: £3k (£155k)
Tonne: £0.75k (£40k)
Chappell: £0.5k (£25k)
Harriott: £0.5k (£25k)
McFadzean: £0.5k (£25k)
Whitehouse: £0.5k (£25k)


Forwards: £1,135k
Cresswell: £7.5k (£400k)
Kitson: £7.5k (£400k)
Porter: £3k (£155k)
Miller: £2.5k (£130k)
De Girolamo: £0.5k (£25k)
Ironside: £0.5k (£25k)

Sold: £205k
Blackman: £4k (£100k)
McAllister: £2.5k (£75k)
Philiskirk: £1k (£30k)

Loans in: £80k
Gallagher: £6k (1/3 of wages) £25k
Forte: £2.5k (1/2 of wages) £65k

 

[mattbianco1]

In follow up to previous post about strength and depth we no have the following players to each position.


Goalkeepers:
Howard
Long
Coyne

Right Backs
McMahon
Westlake

Left Backs
Higginbotham
LJF
Hill
Williams

Centre Backs
Collins
Maguire
Higginbotham
Kennedy
Hill
McMahon ?!? if pushed

Left Mid
Flynn
Murphy
Forte
Cresswell
Tonne
McFadzean

Right Mid
Robson
Murphy
Flynn
Chapell

Centre Mid
Doyle
McDonald
Robson
Harriott
Whitehouse
Tonne ?!?


Forwards
Cresswell
Kitson
Porter
Miller
De Girolamo
Ironside

I have striked out players that weren't here before the transfer window to show how many positions the 4 signings cover.

The only notable absence is Blackman who cover two positions RM/CF

Italics denote unproven players

 

[shreds1975]

Interesting Balham. I think the "profit"on sales is included so if Blackman was £1.2m sale there is probably £500k (850 x 65%) of qualifying turnover.

Players under 21 (I think) are excluded from the salary cost. But the cost of terminating contracts etc. is included. This would bring in Montgomery (salary until departure and golden handshake), possibly Simo (depending whether he falls into the assessed period) amongst others.

 

[cooperblade]

Interesting Balham. I think the "profit"on sales is included so if Blackman was £1.2m sale there is probably £500k (850 x 65%) of qualifying turnover.

Players under 21 (I think) are excluded from the salary cost. But the cost of terminating contracts etc. is included. This would bring in Montgomery (salary until departure and golden handshake), possibly Simo (depending whether he falls into the assessed period) amongst others.

Does anyone know how transfer income is accounted for as part of turnover with regard to the salary cap?

Using shreds' figure of £500k (as 65% of the profit) from the sale of Blackman, when can we use that £500k against wages - this year, over a period of years but split across them?

Let's say we sign a player on £10k a week (just to make the numbers easy) and say his c£500k pa is set against the profit from Blackman, what happens next year when we don't have the £500k transfer profit in the accounts? Surely that could take us over the 65%.

It must be very difficult to plan the wage bill for future years when you never know what your transfer income will be going forward.

 

[mattbianco1]

Does anyone know how transfer income is accounted for as part of turnover with regard to the salary cap?

Using shreds' figure of £500k (as 65% of the profit) from the sale of Blackman, when can we use that £500k against wages - this year, over a period of years but split across them?

Let's say we sign a player on £10k a week (just to make the numbers easy) and say his c£500k pa is set against the profit from Blackman, what happens next year when we don't have the £500k transfer profit in the accounts? Surely that could take us over the 65%.

It must be very difficult to plan the wage bill for future years when you never know what your transfer income will be going forward.

It's not that difficult, McCabe is still a twat

 

[blade too long]

swindon and others seem to just ignore it ,might bite them in the arse though
but who can arbitrate on if youve spent 45 % or 65% of anyones budget if all fees are undisclosed, and whats counted as profit and loss , insurances , policing ,ground staff, maintenance alone could cover millions or a tin of paint

 

[Balham]

cooperblade in the accounts, transfer fees are treated as either a profit or loss on disposal of an asset (the player's registration).

We signed Blackman in the summer for around £150k. He was on a two year deal so would have had a book value of £112.5k when sold: the June 2013 accounts will therefore contain a profit on disposal of £1.0875m plus estimates of whatever bonuses we're due. That will all be recognised this year irrespective of when Reading actually pay us.

However, as the SCMP rules work on turnover I'd imagine that the whole transfer fee will be counted in this year's figure, meaning that we have increased the wage budget by £707k (£1.0875k x 65%) plus Blackman's wage for the rest of the season.

The most important thing though is the cashflow and if I was to hazard a guess it would be that United were suffering on that: the £1.2m from Reading - if it was all received up front - would help enormously.

blade too long Swindon aren't ignoring it any more - they've just had to sell their best player to Bournemouth to cover the running costs of the club until their takeover goes through.

 

[shreds1975]

swindon and others seem to just ignore it ,might bite them in the arse though
but who can arbitrate on if youve spent 45 % or 65% of anyones budget if all fees are undisclosed, and whats counted as profit and loss , insurances , policing ,ground staff, maintenance alone could cover millions or a tin of paint

You can only hope it bites them on the arse in terms of admin. The penalty for breaking the cap is a fine, which is spread across the other teams. unless there is something I am missing, it seems a small price to pay for promotion for some clubs.

 

[shreds1975]

Does anyone know how transfer income is accounted for as part of turnover with regard to the salary cap?

Using shreds' figure of £500k (as 65% of the profit) from the sale of Blackman, when can we use that £500k against wages - this year, over a period of years but split across them?

Let's say we sign a player on £10k a week (just to make the numbers easy) and say his c£500k pa is set against the profit from Blackman, what happens next year when we don't have the £500k transfer profit in the accounts? Surely that could take us over the 65%.

It must be very difficult to plan the wage bill for future years when you never know what your transfer income will be going forward.

I am not sure on that detail. Ther emust be an element of spreading otherwise you are penalising teams for developing and selling on players? But hey, as I mentioned above the penalties do not seme that harsh so, although a good first step, it isn't the most well thought out protocol.

 

[cooperblade]

However, as the SCMP rules work on turnover I'd imagine that the whole transfer fee will be counted in this year's figure, meaning that we have increased the wage budget by £707k (£1.0875k x 65%) plus Blackman's wage for the rest of the season.

But if we haven't increased the wage budget for next season (because it's all in this year's accounts then does that mean we could only sign short term contracts on the basis of it? How do you sell a player and become enabled to bring someone in a 4 year deal for example? That's where I'm struggling.

swindon and others seem to just ignore it ,might bite them in the arse though
but who can arbitrate on if youve spent 45 % or 65% of anyones budget if all fees are undisclosed, and whats counted as profit and loss , insurances , policing ,ground staff, maintenance alone could cover millions or a tin of paint

Weren't Swindon placed under a transfer embargo earlier in the season for going over the 65%?

 

[Bergen Blade]

Having captained Stoke and after a decade in the Premiership Higginbotham must have been earning £20k+, surely? I'm sure he took a wage cut when coming here, but how much?

 

[cooperblade]

I am not sure on that detail. Ther emust be an element of spreading otherwise you are penalising teams for developing and selling on players? But hey, as I mentioned above the penalties do not seme that harsh so, although a good first step, it isn't the most well thought out protocol.

Seems to me that the main thing it does is provide a great excuse for chairmen/owners who don't want to put any more money in.

As with the examples of Bournemouth and Man City, if you really want to splash the cash, it's not difficult to find a way round it.

 

[super_pig]

so the three old crocks earn the most wages and almost more than the entire defence by themselves..
so there you have it then.

 

[cooperblade]

Having captained Stoke and after a decade in the Premiership Higginbotham must have been earning £20k+, surely? I'm sure he took a wage cut when coming here, but how much?

A weds supporting mate of mine was absolutely staggered that we'd been able to afford him.

His performances have been well received by lots of people on here but I'm not 100% he'd get in our best 11 with everyone fit. I think LJF would offer much more from an attacking point of view at left back and I'm not convinced that DW would want to leave Maguire or Collins out.

 

[Balham]

But if we haven't increased the wage budget for next season (because it's all in this year's accounts then does that mean we could only sign short term contracts on the basis of it? How do you sell a player and become enabled to bring someone in a 4 year deal for example? That's where I'm struggling.

That's where medium- and long-term budgeting comes in. If I was to guess I'd say that we can only afford Higginbotham and Robson's 6 month deals because we sold Blackman.

A four year deal would have to fit in with realistic expectations of the income in each of those years - not a particularly easy task!

Weren't Swindon placed under a transfer embargo earlier in the season for going over the 65%?

Yes.

so the three old crocks earn the most wages and almost more than the entire defence by themselves..
so there you have it then.

I did say they were estimates, please don't take them as being gospel because I'm even less ITK than Olle.

 

[blade too long]

we are in league one arent we ?
are all our adversaries throwing up their arms bemoaning not signing Peter Crouch or similar