CONFIRMED Berge to Burnley

[CaptainMorgans]

It seems that he'd rather play for Burnley than Sheffield United.

And who could blame him right now?

 

[nopigfansintown]

Can’t deny a man his boyhood dream

If that's not an example of an indictment I don't know what is.

 

[Balti Pie]

What about if someone could take your Rolex off your wrist for free in 12 months time and walk away with it?

What if a broker promises to sell your £15k Rolex on for you and replace it with a better model?
But he doesn't source a replacement until he's flogged yours.
Then he realises the market isn't what he thought, and he struggles to find anything suitable.
Three weeks later he brings you a Swatch, a Sekonda and one of those Casios with the calculator built in.

 

[jono_t2000]

Yet some on here are like let Ndiaye and Berge run their contracts down it will be fine. What's another £30 million down the shitter.

Fwiw I'm not against selling Berge, in fact I approve of it

I am definitely however against people blaming Berge (or even his agent for that matter) for something that solely comes down to ignorance and mismanagement by the board in regards to timing of the transfer and going to a rival.

 

[Bladesman]

 

[Eric_Brooks]

Must be true, prince’s lapdog has spoken

 

[YES Blade]

Not quite as simple, but...

If you have a Rolex that's worth £15K, but the market is crashing and you know that it will be worth half that in 9 months time, do you sell now or gamble that the price will come back up?

A Rolex is completely different, it will always be owned by you until you decide to sell. You could even pass it on to future generations and it’s kept in the family for 100+ years.

A Rolex won’t decide it doesn’t want to be owned by you anymore and go to someone else for nothing.

 

[Bladesman]

Fwiw I'm not against selling Berge, in fact I approve of it

I am definitely however against people blaming Berge (or even his agent for that matter) for something that solely comes down to ignorance and mismanagement by the board in regards to timing of the transfer and going to a rival.

Not so much blaming Berge but more so the agent.

 

[Davalon]

Serious point - but if we've "forced him out", and are effectively avoiding losing £12,000,000 - why do we actually care?

I don't really see how (practically) we force anyone out, but I'm not sure what's wrong with it if we did?

The message it sends to current players and potential signings?

 

[bertieblade]

The message is that players should sign a contract to extend their stay or agree to make themselves available for transfer.
the power is currently with the agent and the player and if we want to make a profit on signings we cannot allow that to happen

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

I'm at a loss for words here. I just cannot get my head round what's going on. I can just about cope with Ndiaye going. Seems like he and his agent forced it, there wasn't much we could have done etc etc

But this is just lunacy. Whatever the strengths and weaknesses of Sander are, he is one of the best players we have, on his day (I know they aren't all that frequent) and this time, the club is effectively forcing the player out.

As others have said, 3 and a half years ago we thought we were on the cusp of something truly incredible. We were genuinely in the mix for the top 5/6 in the premier league, we were playing sensational, no-holds-barred attacking football, and to put the icing on the cake we spent £20m on a highly-rated European talent, that many people though was going to go to Manchester United! (sure I remember on the day he signed, twitter chat saying he'd been seen at Carrington, and nobody being surprised if they were signing him).

How has it gone from that, to this. It's just so utterly depressing.

Is he worth £12m, plus wages, for one season?
That's what he will cost us.

 

[alcoblade]

The message it sends to current players and potential signings?

I suspect it's meaningless.

They can still choose to;

Sit on their arses for a year on full pay before leaving for free and screwing an even fatter contract.
Sign a new deal
Sign for someone else.

I really don't see the issue. And the upside is our club not losing £12,000,000 in this instance. I can't see why any significant sympathy is with Berge.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

The message it sends to current players and potential signings?

I think it will be obvious to players what Sander is doing. I don't think there's any negative message.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Must be true, prince’s lapdog has spoken

Can someone please Photoshop Darren's face onto Dr.Evil's cat?
And Prince's face onto Dr.Evil?

Not sure why.

 

[alcoblade]

Did you pull a groin with that stretch

Which part of it don't you agree with?

 

[jono_t2000]

The message is that players should sign a contract to extend their stay or agree to make themselves available for transfer.
the power is currently with the agent and the player and if we want to make a profit on signings we cannot allow that to happen

You do realize he did make himself available for transfer tho right...

 

[bertieblade]

You do realize he did make himself available for transfer tho right...

Not aware of this at all, care to provide confirmation

 

[BadgersBigToe]

What if a broker promises to sell your £15k Rolex on for you and replace it with a better model?
But he doesn't source a replacement until he's flogged yours.
Then he realises the market isn't what he thought, and he struggles to find anything suitable.
Three weeks later he brings you a Swatch, a Sekonda and one of those Casios with the calculator built in.

Understand where you’re coming from……only issue is the broker never promised a better model…….in fact I wouldn’t trust the broker to replace it at all.

 

[jono_t2000]

Not aware of this at all, care to provide confirmation

Sure.think back to the Wrexham fa cup game where he was absent. Hecky confirmed post match that was due to possible transfer.

SUTV few weeks later did interview with Sander and he confirmed he was waiting in hotel room with his bags packed waiting for United to get the deal done but it never got over the line.

 

[bertieblade]

Sure.think back to the Wrexham fa cup game where he was absent. Hecky confirmed post match that was due to possible transfer.

SUTV few weeks later did interview with Sander and he confirmed he was waiting in hotel room with his bags packed waiting for United to get the deal done but it never got over the line.

Ok see where you are coming from, but for reasons better known to the club and Berge those deals never went ahead. the same thing applies this time that the club are making him available for transfer as we cannot afford for players to run their contracts down

 

[RMBlade]

Some of those players kept us in the Premier League for an extra season though, so would have paid for themselves. Some have also got us back there.

The profit from Ndiaye and Ramsdale also offsets that loss, so I'm not sure you can even blame the signings at this stage. It's just piss poor management from the top.

If the club sold Ndiaye and Berge with 2 years left on their contract (before their value halved) but we didn’t get promoted last season. Would that be good management from the top? Or “piss poor” management from the top?

If the club keep Ndiaye and Berge this season, they don’t sign a new contract, lose them for free in the summer and still get relegated. Would the be good management from the top? Or “piss poor” management from the top?

It’s a shit situation but I think the only major criticism that can be thrown at the club is them both not being sold earlier in the window (clearly they were trying to get them to sign new deals) to replace them well before the season started. Allowing our best 2 players to leave 10 and 4 days before the season starts (on top of not replacing mcatee and Doyle) and not having replacements in is extremely poor.

 

[Eric_Brooks]

Sure.think back to the Wrexham fa cup game where he was absent. Hecky confirmed post match that was due to possible transfer.

SUTV few weeks later did interview with Sander and he confirmed he was waiting in hotel room with his bags packed waiting for United to get the deal done but it never got over the line.

That doesn’t confirm HE made himself available.

 

[fatpat]

Sure.think back to the Wrexham fa cup game where he was absent. Hecky confirmed post match that was due to possible transfer.

SUTV few weeks later did interview with Sander and he confirmed he was waiting in hotel room with his bags packed waiting for United to get the deal done but it never got over the line.

He also said he didn't want to leave, he wanted to play against Wrexham and the board stopped him from doing so and Hecky from picking him. If he was desperate to leave he would have done. At least tell the full story.

 

[jono_t2000]

He also said he didn't want to leave, he wanted to play against Wrexham and the board stopped him from doing so and Hecky from picking him. If he was desperate to leave he would have done. At least tell the full story.

Show me the part where he says I don't want to be sold, and I will believe you .

 

[ben1987]

Show me the part where he says I don't want to be sold, and I will believe you .

He said he had invited family over to watch him v Wrexham and was disappointed not to have been involved.

He didn’t exactly say ‘I don’t want to be sold’ but he made it clear he wasn’t aggravating the move.

 

[jono_t2000]

He said he had invited family over to watch him v Wrexham and was disappointed not to have been involved.

He didn’t exactly say ‘I don’t want to be sold’ but he made it clear he wasn’t aggravating the move.

Which is pretty much what I've said all along, happy to slog out till end of contract or happy to move on if sale is done.

 

[Davalon]

I suspect it's meaningless.

They can still choose to;

Sit on their arses for a year on full pay before leaving for free and screwing an even fatter contract.
Sign a new deal
Sign for someone else.

I really don't see the issue. And the upside is our club not losing £12,000,000 in this instance. I can't see why any significant sympathy is with Berge.

It's not just about sympathy for Sander, it's the bigger picture.

Ive not had many friends and acquaintances over the years who've played pro football but there's been a few.

The way their team mates get treated undoubtedly has an impact with some, just like it can with those of us doing every day jobs.

The message coming out from a few at present is that some are from far happy how this has been dealt with. I'm not an ITKer but even I've spoken to one person who I deem pretty credible. Doesn't mean I categorically confirm it however.

Things like this might not put off upcoming younger players being offered a big rise by joining us but it can certainly impact those here or those moving sideways

If people aren't concerned by this and are just happy getting a decent fee then I'm not going to argue with them and say they're wrong, but with respect I do think it's a bit naive to just assume it will definitely not have any knock on effects.

Let's just hope we bring in 4 or 5 proper players before Sept to refocus the negativity that's enveloping the club recently.

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

 

[Tezza1889]

Berge having medical at Burnley now, hecky confirmed it on sky sports news just now... So it's today dad..

 

[Aquifer007]

Sky sports just confirmed having medical at Burnley, hopefully I sent a cheeky sell on clause though, not sad myself, only thought he turned up for a handful of games properly. Woah it got sorted out a few weeks back though!

Who we gonna field Saturday lol