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The summer is a weird one, as a Blade, IMO. So far, I think it's more downs than ups and that's weird, given that we should be full of excitement and anticipation, having just joined the biggest league in the world. For me:
  1. Can't find a buyer, negative.
  2. Limited budget and recruitment as a result, negative.
  3. Speculation of losing N'Diaye, negative.
  4. Sign Slimane, positive.
  5. Sign Larouci, positive.
  6. Speculation of N'Diaye staying, positive.
  7. Home kit released. OK-ish. Meh, take it or leave it. Usual Errea Tinpot-ness.
  8. Sign Traore, positive.
  9. Third kit released, negative. Boring, basic. Presumably at a premium price too.
  10. ...and now this, Berge no interest in a deal. Leaves me feeling pretty flat. I do get it, but I also rate him and would rather he stays. Negative.
My only hope is that we make a decent start and he gets swept up in the momentum and feel-good factor of it all, and we're opportunistic, opening talks.

As per Illy, I'd like to see him sign but with favourable release clauses in his favour.
 
Kozzy_is_my_Dad said:
The summer is a weird one, as a Blade, IMO. So far, I think it's more downs than ups and that's weird, given that we should be full of excitement and anticipation, having just joined the biggest league in the world. For me:
  1. Can't find a buyer, negative.
  2. Limited budget and recruitment as a result, negative.
  3. Speculation of losing N'Diaye, negative.
  4. Sign Slimane, positive.
  5. Sign Larouci, positive.
  6. Speculation of N'Diaye staying, positive.
  7. Home kit released. OK-ish. Meh, take it or leave it. Usual Errea Tinpot-ness.
  8. Sign Traore, positive.
  9. Third kit released, negative. Boring, basic. Presumably at a premium price too.
  10. ...and now this, Berge no interest in a deal. Leaves me feeling pretty flat. I do get it, but I also rate him and would rather he stays. Negative.
My only hope is that we make a decent start and he gets swept up in the momentum and feel-good factor of it all, and we're opportunistic, opening talks.

As per Illy, I'd like to see him sign but with favourable release clauses in his favour.
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If losing Berge meant getting Doyle on a perm then I’d be for that.

He isn’t likely to be here in 12 month’s time. Might make sense to gerron wiyit?
 
Kozzy_is_my_Dad said:
  1. Can't find a buyer, negative. DIDNT EFFECT RESULTS LAST SEASON WONT THIS
  2. Limited budget and recruitment as a result, negative. ALL OUR BEST PLAYERS HAVE BEEN THE CHEAPEST , NDIAYE ANEL ETC
  3. Speculation of losing N'Diaye, negative. ALL PRESS SPECULATION , NEVER WAS GOING
  4. Sign Slimane, positive.
  5. Sign Larouci, positive.
  6. Speculation of N'Diaye staying, positive.
  7. Home kit released. OK-ish. Meh, take it or leave it. Usual Errea Tinpot-ness. ITS A KIT SOME RIGHT ABORTIONS OUT THERE
  8. Sign Traore, positive.
  9. Third kit released, negative. Boring, basic. Presumably at a premium price too. I LIKE IT SIMPLE
  10. ...and now this, Berge no interest in a deal. Leaves me feeling pretty flat. I do get it, but I also rate him and would rather he stays. Negative. SPECULATION AGAIN WAIT TILL WE PLAY MAN CITY HE WILL SIGN
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If this holds any truth then Berge is actively being shopped around to other clubs.

Feel like El Accounto is softening us up for his departure. Probably just a matter of time.

 
jono_t2000 said:
If this holds any truth then Berge is actively being shopped around to other clubs.

Feel like El Accounto is softening us up for his departure. Probably just a matter of time.

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My understanding was that this has been the case past 18 months. Board have kinda actively been presenting to clubs.
But the fee has been the sticking point.

In Jan, apparently again it was the club shopping Berge/N'Diaye around to raise funds. But when both said they wanted to stay they also had a change of heart, I think because Prince thought that Dozy's takeover would also happen. If memory serves me correct did Dozy kinda request to not sell them as well?

I guess in Sander's case he came in whilst we were doing good in PL. Following season though we went down and he's had some injury issues too.
He clearly wants to make sure he's playing top level football and so presumably doesn't want to run the risk of going back down with us in 12 months time. He's now 25 so entering his prime years.
Reckon if we were making big strides in the transfer market there is a chance that may change his mind but we are not.
If we stay up and he's not agreed to go anywhere, then he might consider a 12 month deal.

Ilimans situation is a bit different. He's a few years younger and has a young family who seem settled here. Still wouldn't surprise me to see him go this summer whatsoever but I think if a contract with fee release clauses that aren't high he may well stay.
Reality is he might or will be going in 12 months time, but we would least get fee's in and have him for a season. That said again if we stayed up he might fancy staying.
 
Champagneblade said:
If losing Berge meant getting Doyle on a perm then I’d be for that.

He isn’t likely to be here in 12 month’s time. Might make sense to gerron wiyit?
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Begrudgingly, I think you're right mate. We like nice things though, don't we? Why can't we have both 😆

The comparison I'd draw, in terms of his unique playing style when he's on song (granted, I know that's hit and miss) is to say when Grealish left Villa, they knew they would never afford or get a like for like replacement, with the same style and nor will we. That's my only reservation, when he does get the ball and drive forward, and he's so classy and composed in possession, we will really miss that.
 
Kozzy_is_my_Dad said:
Begrudgingly, I think you're right mate. We like nice things though, don't we? Why can't we have both 😆

The comparison I'd draw, in terms of his unique playing style when he's on song (granted, I know that's hit and miss) is to say when Grealish left Villa, they knew they would never afford or get a like for like replacement, with the same style and nor will we. That's my only reservation, when he does get the ball and drive forward, and he's so classy and composed in possession, we will really miss that.
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..and we have no one to bring creativity if he goes. Don't say Norwood or Fleck. Doyle if we got him is the Norwood replacement not Berges.
 
Champagneblade said:
If losing Berge meant getting Doyle on a perm then I’d be for that.

He isn’t likely to be here in 12 month’s time. Might make sense to gerron wiyit?
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If it's true what El Accounto says that he's intending to see out his contract (and I have nothing against him for that), and there's a possibility we can essentially swap him and his wages with Doyle (plus splash a bit extra on a Berge replacement like O'Brien or Smallbone), then can't see any reason not to see what we can get for him. It's not just the fee we could get for him, but unlike Ndiaye, it'd also be a huge chunk of the wage bill freed up
 
Nightsweats said:
..and we have no one to bring creativity if he goes. Don't say Norwood or Fleck. Doyle if we got him is the Norwood replacement not Berges.
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Maybe it is Slimani? Maybe it is Coulibaly? Maybe it is some as of yet unnamed player on our list of potential targets?

Only time will tell.
 
Torrix1889 said:
Doubt anyone would offer much over £5m in the circumstances...
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If we put him on the market at £5m then the club's incoming phone lines would melt. Berge at that price would be an immediate purchase for dozens of clubs.
 

Newbury Blade said:
Would it? When has the club ever done that?
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Put it another way then, when have we ever sold one of our better players and reinvested it in a meaningful way? It's not something we have a great track record of doing. Off the top of my head I look at selling Deane twice and both of those seasons falling apart. Walker/Naughton - relegated the following season. Maguire? League one obscurity.

My main point that I am getting at is maybe it's better to hold on to what we have as any fees brought in by selling those two will likely never see the light of day again. I don't see a scenario where we sell for say £30m and reinvest a decent proportion of that. I think we'd try and sign four players of lesser quality to bulk out the squad and I don't see that working at this level. We need genuine quality if we're serious about survival.
 
Bristol Blade said:
We sold Adams and DCL and used it to fund a team that got promoted from L1. We sold Brooks and used the money to build a team to get promoted to the Premier League.
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Fair point on Brooks (I forgot all about selling him tbh). I'm not having DCL as he had made about 5 sub appearances 😄
 
Champagneblade said:
Maybe it is Slimani? Maybe it is Coulibaly? Maybe it is some as of yet unnamed player on our list of potential targets?

Only time will tell.
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It clearly isn't Coulibaly. We really should get rid.
Slimani is a completely unknown quantity. If he can run a midfield in the Prem great. Time will tell
as it stands we have Sander, Norwood sort of and nobody we can make assumtions about. Fleck is a goner and obviously our best 2 middies are back at City and we may or may not be able to bring Doyle back. We still need 2 more new middies that can start from the get go (Doyle could be one).
Coulibaly. That's really funny.
 
MobileBlade said:
How many had Walker made when we sold him (and before we took him back on loan)?
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Probably enough to recognise we'd have been a much better side had he stayed in it. I mean, he'd started in a play-off final side a month or two prior and was largely seen as already being one of our best players - pushing one of our other top players into the left back slot (Naughton). I never saw that promise with DCL nor was he ever considered a first choice - clearly Everton did!

Without splitting hairs, if anyone genuinely thinks we have a better chance of survival without Sander (and/or Illy) then I'd love to see the maths.
 
bikerblade said:
Maybe Lee Evans for Norwood? Maybe clutching at straws here but was a huge upgrade.
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I don't think that one directly funded the other. Was certainly a massive upgrade but I think the funds for Norwood and Egan largely came from the sale of Brooks.
 
jt64 said:
If we put him on the market at £5m then the club's incoming phone lines would melt. Berge at that price would be an immediate purchase for dozens of clubs.
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I didn't say we would be prepared to accept £5m....
 
Wards said:
Probably enough to recognise we'd have been a much better side had he stayed in it. I mean, he'd started in a play-off final side a month or two prior and was largely seen as already being one of our best players - pushing one of our other top players into the left back slot (Naughton). I never saw that promise with DCL nor was he ever considered a first choice - clearly Everton did!

Without splitting hairs, if anyone genuinely thinks we have a better chance of survival without Sander (and/or Illy) then I'd love to see the maths.
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Including the play-offs he made 5 appearances for us before he was sold. Not disagreeing about Sander/Illy btw.
 
Kozzy_is_my_Dad said:
The summer is a weird one, as a Blade, IMO. So far, I think it's more downs than ups and that's weird, given that we should be full of excitement and anticipation, having just joined the biggest league in the world. For me:
  1. Can't find a buyer, negative.
  2. Limited budget and recruitment as a result, negative.
  3. Speculation of losing N'Diaye, negative.
  4. Sign Slimane, positive.
  5. Sign Larouci, positive.
  6. Speculation of N'Diaye staying, positive.
  7. Home kit released. OK-ish. Meh, take it or leave it. Usual Errea Tinpot-ness.
  8. Sign Traore, positive.
  9. Third kit released, negative. Boring, basic. Presumably at a premium price too.
  10. ...and now this, Berge no interest in a deal. Leaves me feeling pretty flat. I do get it, but I also rate him and would rather he stays. Negative.
My only hope is that we make a decent start and he gets swept up in the momentum and feel-good factor of it all, and we're opportunistic, opening talks.

As per Illy, I'd like to see him sign but with favourable release clauses in his favour.
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Good shout but from what I hear from my Tunisian mate, signing Slimane isn’t a positive
 
Berg doesn't even average 7 overall per games played start the car and get him sold if we could get 10 million.
 
I’d sell him and try and get 15 million.

That gives us chance to sign at least 5 average championship midfielders and a defender.
 

Wards said:
Put it another way then, when have we ever sold one of our better players and reinvested it in a meaningful way? It's not something we have a great track record of doing. Off the top of my head I look at selling Deane twice and both of those seasons falling apart. Walker/Naughton - relegated the following season. Maguire? League one obscurity.

My main point that I am getting at is maybe it's better to hold on to what we have as any fees brought in by selling those two will likely never see the light of day again. I don't see a scenario where we sell for say £30m and reinvest a decent proportion of that. I think we'd try and sign four players of lesser quality to bulk out the squad and I don't see that working at this level. We need genuine quality if we're serious about survival.
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Wards said:
Put it another way then, when have we ever sold one of our better players and reinvested it in a meaningful way? It's not something we have a great track record of doing. Off the top of my head I look at selling Deane twice and both of those seasons falling apart. Walker/Naughton - relegated the following season. Maguire? League one obscurity.

My main point that I am getting at is maybe it's better to hold on to what we have as any fees brought in by selling those two will likely never see the light of day again. I don't see a scenario where we sell for say £30m and reinvest a decent proportion of that. I think we'd try and sign four players of lesser quality to bulk out the squad and I don't see that working at this level. We need genuine quality if we're serious about survival.
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I take your point, but mine is that it’s this often repeated line that it would be “so United” to do something is simply not true. It’s nearly 14 years since the Kyles, 25 since Deano and Fjortoft, 55 since Jones and Birchenall (which I am old enough to remember). In recent years, we have kept our good players as well as any club does. And we all know what happened with CW in the Prem: we spaffed a fortune up the wall. Selling Illi and Berge and buying inferior replacements, which I don’t think will happen, would not be “so United” in any sense!
 
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