CONFIRMED Iliman Ndiaye to Marseille

[ATL Recs]

Lets hope it’s round at the Saudi Embassy

This is bollocks

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Our last two major outs were brooks ( under joint ownership) where we got about 11 million and very sensibly reinvested majority of it into a promotion side and then Ramsdale ( under the Prince alone) which meant we just about got buy without losing anyone else and had a play off and promotion season off the back of it.

It doesn't have to be a disaster.

 

[jt64]

We could very well be in the championship but without him still and no 20 million extra

Which would be results oriented thinking, I'd rather take my chances with Ndiaye for one season and let him walk, rather than selling him and reinvesting that money in random players. Of course, I'd rather us match and improve on whatever contract Marseille might offer now and have him extend through to 2025 with a relegation clause so we get the player and the money, but for some reason certain people here think we somehow cannot do that

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Which would be results oriented thinking, I'd rather take my chances with Ndiaye for one season and let him walk, rather than selling him and reinvesting that money in random players. Of course, I'd rather us match and improve on whatever contract Marseille might offer now and have him extend through to 2025 with a relegation clause so we get the player and the money, but for some reason certain people here think we somehow cannot do that

We can't force someone to sign something if his mind is made up. We could sell him, get a few long term players on and still stay up you know.

 

[Bladesman]

We can't force someone to sign something if his mind is made up. We could sell him, get a few long term players on and still stay up you know.

We lock him in the training ground and don't him out.

 

[Pintor75]

If his mind is made up, we should sell him. We don't want this wrangling hanging over our head at the start of the season. Wonderful player, but still unproven at premiership level, and who knows we maybe can get O'Brien, Traore signed & Doyle on loan and still have a bit left

 

[jt64]

We can't force someone to sign something if his mind is made up. We could sell him, get a few long term players on and still stay up you know.

Well no, we can't, but we can at least ask him to listen. Marseille would still be there in twelve months. Besides, I think that our expected TV money in 24/25 would easily fall by more than whatever we get for Ndiaye, regardless of how that money is spent - what the actual end result is, stay or go, is not really relevant to whether it is the right decision to make right now.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Well no, we can't, but we can at least ask him to listen. Marseille would still be there in twelve months. Besides, I think that our expected TV money in 24/25 would easily fall by more than whatever we get for Ndiaye, regardless of how that money is spent - what the actual end result is, stay or go, is not really relevant to whether it is the right decision to make right now.

What's right is to give us the best possible chance of staying up. If we think we can get a few more Anel quality players in on with that money then it's a no brainer imo

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Good job the pic wasn't of an abbatoir,depicting the ill-treatment and abuse and slaughter of innocent creatures,but it wasn't was it?

Not sure I understand your point?
I apologised forfoolishly posted an image some folk found / find uncomfortable - intended as a (crass) reference to laboratory experimentation in poor (attempted) humour.
Irrespective of that particular context I would be (more) mindful about posting images of an abattoir (or holocaust survivors or bairns torched by napalm or innumerable other distressing events / circumstances) - or is that your point ?

 

[TJ blade]

Fabrizio Romano now reporting that "Olympique Marseille and Sheffield Utd are now prepared to negotiate for Iliman Ndiaye"

Well, yeah - that's how a transfer works. No wonder he got so famous with insight like that

Get fucked off fabrizio..

 

[Balboni]

Parts around it are lovely though e.g. Aix en Provence

Maybe so, only been to the centre.

 

[jt64]

What's right is to give us the best possible chance of staying up. If we think we can get a few more Anel quality players in on with that money then it's a no brainer imo

Then I think we will have to agree to disagree on the best way to stay up. For me, selling our only realistic attacking force for even the higher ends of what I've seen quoted, hoping to hit on some lottery pick transfers (which Hecky probably won't even trust anyway) would be the worst bit of transfer business the club has done in decades.

 

[Bl4desutd]

I'm putting 2+2 together and getting 4 here, you're putting 2+2 together and hoping it's not

Who the fuck r u

 

[Balboni]

Who the fuck r u

You replied to me, you tell me bit early to be pissed is it not?

 

[Belvedere Blade]

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Then I think we will have to agree to disagree on the best way to stay up. For me, selling our only realistic attacking force for even the higher ends of what I've seen quoted, hoping to hit on some lottery pick transfers (which Hecky probably won't even trust anyway) would be the worst bit of transfer business the club has done in decades.

If it's 20 million and we can spend it it's still a blow but one if we we have good replacements lined up doesn't need to be terminal. For all we know he could get injured and miss the season anyway.

 

[jt64]

If it's 20 million and we can spend it it's still a blow but one if we we have good replacements lined up doesn't need to be terminal. For all we know he could get injured and miss the season anyway.

Again, results oriented thinking. If the board shit the bed at the thought that someone might go full Rob Hulse we'd never sign anyone. I'd also love to work out how you will replace a fraction of the attacking threat Ndiaye has even if you shoved the entirety of the transfer fee into one player, which it seems like you don't want to do.

 

[Balti Pie]

I'm calling this bullshit. A few journalists are writing headlines to get clicks, that's what they do. OM might even be stoking the fire and trying to turn the boy's head, but last we heard they hadn't even contacted United. If they eventually do get round to contacting us, PA will say £30m or fuck off, and off they'll scurry with their tail between their legs. We keep him to the end of the season - it's up to Illi whether he plays for his current £7k a week (guess) or extends and plays for £50k a week (also a guess).

 

[jt64]

it's up to Illi whether he plays for his current £7k a week (guess) or extends and plays for £50k a week (also a guess).

In a world where Lingard was on 200k/week, do you really think that offering Ndiaye that would result in anything other than him hanging up the phone and start looking at zoopla.fr?

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Again, results oriented thinking. If the board shit the bed at the thought that someone might go full Rob Hulse we'd never sign anyone. I'd also love to work out how you will replace a fraction of the attacking threat Ndiaye has even if you shoved the entirety of the transfer fee into one player, which it seems like you don't want to do.

Plenty of clubs our size manage to find good cheap gems. We even did it last time we were in the Prem with this lad from Boreham Wood...I forget his name now...

 

[Balti Pie]

In a world where Lingard was on 200k/week, do you really think that offering Ndiaye that would result in anything other than him hanging up the phone and start looking at zoopla.fr?

He's under contract - he can't go anywhere without our say so.
He'll go at the end of the season, that's a given.
His choice is to earn £7k p/w up to that point and leave for nothing, or sign an extension for £50k p/w and leave for a nominal release clause fee.
I'm not ITK, that's just my take on it.

 

[niktheblade]

I'm calling this bullshit. A few journalists are writing headlines to get clicks, that's what they do. OM might even be stoking the fire and trying to turn the boy's head, but last we heard they hadn't even contacted United. If they eventually do get round to contacting us, PA will say £30m or fuck off, and off they'll scurry with their tail between their legs. We keep him to the end of the season - it's up to Illi whether he plays for his current £7k a week (guess) or extends and plays for £50k a week (also a guess).

I think you're partially correct, but I also think he will go. There are 2 factors here.

1. Our best player in all of my years wants to play for his boyhood club, he's also waaaay too good for us.

2. He has a year left, he's worth (IMO) £30m because (IMO) he's fucking incredible. But in reality, that is halved (probably?) Because of the short period of his contract, even shorter and far less palatable in January.

This combo makes a good story, but also could be real.

In both situations I'm gutted, but, if I'm being realist, I'd sooner us get something from him (cash plus 15% sell on) and be gutted now, than later. Who knows if he's good enough as 1 player in 11 to keep us up, or if the money gets us a replacement or 2/3 players that could also save us.

 

[jt64]

Plenty of clubs our size manage to find good cheap gems. We even did it last time we were in the Prem with this lad from Boreham Wood...I forget his name now...

We may find diamonds in the rough, sure, but finding someone that will help us right now is an entirely different question. The closest thing we could probably find is something like a Jebbison 2.0, but as Hecky seems unwilling to test the original then that is not helping us in the short term

He's under contract - he can't go anywhere without our say so.
He'll go at the end of the season, that's a given.

I know that, I'm fine with that, I'm prepared to let him walk for zero twelve months for now as one season of Ndiaye is worth more to the club than the expected value of players we could bring in for any transfer fee we could reasonably expect to receive in the next month. My point is that if the club want to make an attempt to get Ndiaye to extend, you make an offer that is commensurate to his value and talents, and fifty grand a week isn't that, and if I was offered that in Illi's position I would consider that an insult to my intelligence and start looking at the property market in the south of France - whether that is to use in twelve months or twelve days, no big deal to me

 

[Balti Pie]

We may find diamonds in the rough, sure, but finding someone that will help us right now is an entirely different question. The closest thing we could probably find is something like a Jebbison 2.0, but as Hecky seems unwilling to test the original then that is not helping us in the short term



I know that, I'm fine with that, I'm prepared to let him walk for zero twelve months for now as one season of Ndiaye is worth more to the club than the expected value of players we could bring in for any transfer fee we could reasonably expect to receive in the next month. My point is that if the club want to make an attempt to get Ndiaye to extend, you make an offer that is commensurate to his value and talents, and fifty grand a week isn't that, and if I was offered that in Illi's position I would consider that an insult to my intelligence and start looking at the property market in the south of France - whether that is to use in twelve months or twelve days, no big deal to me

I'm of the same opinion regarding keeping him - I would rather him stay for the season too even if it means he walks for free at the end of it.
Regarding his weekly worth though: yes, he is our best player and deserves to be the best paid (and £50k p/w would ensure this), but it's worth remembering he's never played above championship level. OK, he played a couple of games in the World Cup, but I seem to remember the England team keeping him very quiet on one of those occassions. You used Lingard as an example - remember, he has umpteen caps and smashed it at the very top level for several years. And £200k p/w was quite frankly ridiculous, even for him.

 

[paidsy]

We may find diamonds in the rough, sure, but finding someone that will help us right now is an entirely different question. The closest thing we could probably find is something like a Jebbison 2.0, but as Hecky seems unwilling to test the original then that is not helping us in the short term



I know that, I'm fine with that, I'm prepared to let him walk for zero twelve months for now as one season of Ndiaye is worth more to the club than the expected value of players we could bring in for any transfer fee we could reasonably expect to receive in the next month. My point is that if the club want to make an attempt to get Ndiaye to extend, you make an offer that is commensurate to his value and talents, and fifty grand a week isn't that, and if I was offered that in Illi's position I would consider that an insult to my intelligence and start looking at the property market in the south of France - whether that is to use in twelve months or twelve days, no big deal to me

In what universe are Sheffield United under current ownership in a position to be throwing contract offers around over 50k a week? We have to be realistic here.

 

[jt64]

In what universe are Sheffield United under current ownership in a position to be throwing contract offers around over 50k a week? We have to be realistic here.

In the world where we have £100 million worth of TV money available to use, would like to get the same again, and think that investing a touch more than 2.5% of that in trying to both retain our star player and resale value on the same might be the best way to do it.

 

[paidsy]

In the world where we have £100 million worth of TV money available to use, would like to get the same again, and think that investing a touch more than 2.5% of that in trying to both retain our star player and resale value on the same might be the best way to do it.

Yes because there's absolutely nothing already accounted for out of that 100m and we certainly haven't just been in an embargo because money is beyond tight. I'd love to throw 100k a week at Ndiaye, but the reality is that's not where we are.

 

[paidsy]

And like has already been said by many others, we could offer him that and he says no anyway. If he goes now rather than next summer he's already reducing his pay with Marseilles. So it's highly possible money isn't a factor and we are bound to lose him regardless.

 

[DI36O]

The way I see it - how much is survival in the Prem worth? What are our chances with him for this season vs without him for this season but with £17m to spend?
He's under contract for another year with the chance to play Premier League football for a team playing to his strengths. What's he gonna do, spend it sulking in the reserves?

 

[jt64]

Yes because there's absolutely nothing already accounted for out of that 100m and we certainly haven't just been in an embargo because money is beyond tight. I'd love to throw 100k a week at Ndiaye, but the reality is that's not where we are.

Jesus Christ this is not difficult. If we offer him a two year deal on a hundo a week, that is an expense of 5 million a year. If he accepts, that gives us two things:

1) His registration through to the end of 24/25, which has value far in excess of the 5 million spent if we were to sell next summer regardless given the prices we are seeing quoted right here, right now (and it is perfectly reasonable to theorise that Ndiaye's value might go up in the interim period)
2) It gives us a season of (hopefully a happy) Ndiaye at the same time, which if it does as much as see us finish 19th rather than 20th, gets us 2 million back in the bank in merit payments instantly. 4 million if 18th rather than 20th, and if we stay up, it's hitting the jackpot

This is really a case of team "how much" not looking at what they perceive to be large wages in a vacuum (which, in PL terms, really aren't) and looking at them as costs which will pay for themselves easily in any realistic scenario