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Chansiri is in charge of his clubWould you rather have the prince or chansiri in charge of your club?
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Chansiri is in charge of his clubWould you rather have the prince or chansiri in charge of your club?
It was always going to be a loss of between £10m-£20m so it's as expected really.So Sean or anyone , do the accounts look ok or worrying ?



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Trade creditors are what we owed to other clubs for transfer fees and the bank loans will be the rest.
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Trade creditors are what we owed to other clubs for transfer fees and the bank loans will be the rest.
Group bank borrowing total £63m at 30/06/2022.I realise it would be 12 months out of date but could someone post what we owed on the ground ("McCabe assets") mortgage at June 2022 and also the total of any other bank debt ?

Keen Blade important to note that the accounts don't differentiate between the loans taken out to purchase the ground and other assets and the loans taken out against future TV income.Group bank borrowing total £63m at 30/06/2022.


You're conflating cashflow/balance sheet items (payments owing for prior purchases) with P&L items (loss, reductions in income, increase in expenses). For what it's worth I would estimate a loss of £25-30m for 22/23: income down £5m or so (£8m reduction in parachute payment offset by FA cup run), £10m increase in wages (contract reductions, no settlements but promotion bonuses); reduction in amortisation; small profit on disposal (Lankshear & Midwood).Could be a 50 million loss then last season, with further reductions in sky money and still owing payments for players and promotion bonus for the players

Thank youIt was always going to be a loss of between £10m-£20m so it's as expected really.
As can be seen from the amortisation of player contracts figures being fairly similar between 2021 and 2022 (albeit the previous year was 11 months only) we didn't sell the key assets on the playing side in the Jokanovic season and therefore we've gambled for 2 seasons now on getting back to the PL, again this isn't new information, it's stuff we've known. It's paid off and we're there.
These are historic and we don't know what's happened in the intervening months (and won't find out for another 12 months either) so although they tell us something , they aren't relevant with all that's gone on recently in terms of the embargo, Dozy, conversion of debt to equity etc.
We'll be on decent financial footing in terms of profit and loss in the Premier League because we won't spend much on wages and will get a lot more revenue, this will likely result in us getting relegated. The following season the amortisation will be reduced again as Berge's contract ends, unfortunately we'll still be lumbered with Brewster for another year.
In 2-3 years time we'll be in a position where unless we cut our cloth accordingly we'll be looking at another £10m+ loss, if we cut our cloth we'll end up as a mid table Championship team. The depressing reality of football!
In terms of Abdullah rinsing the club of money, the Directors had nothing in the way of salary in the 2022 financial year:
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He also seems to have put in some money via United World as a loan:
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To answer Carlton Blade question on UW and what it costs us, see the below:
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Does your estimate factor in the 28m cash injection /loans to stockKeen Blade important to note that the accounts don't differentiate between the loans taken out to purchase the ground and other assets and the loans taken out against future TV income.
Deeper in the accounts is the breakdown of the tangible fixed assets:
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Follow that back and you get to the purchase in the 19/20 accounts for £48.9m but there's nothing which directly or indirectly alludes to how much of that was funded by the mortgage.
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You're conflating cashflow/balance sheet items (payments owing for prior purchases) with P&L items (loss, reductions in income, increase in expenses). For what it's worth I would estimate a loss of £25-30m for 22/23: income down £5m or so (£8m reduction in parachute payment offset by FA cup run), £10m increase in wages (contract reductions, no settlements but promotion bonuses); reduction in amortisation; small profit on disposal (Lankshear & Midwood).
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FWIW my esimates for 21/22 were good on income, bad on wages (didn't factor Jokanovic's payoff), unbelievable on amortisation (ie I estimated the transfer fees paid really well) and under on the profit on disposal of Ramsdale.
ThanksGroup bank borrowing total £63m at 30/06/2022.
Nothing to do with the P&L so no.Does your estimate factor in the 28m cash injection /loans to stock
A resolution of allotment of securities has just been posted to Sheffield United Ltd companies house filings. Not a clue what it means but sure someone on here might.
A resolution of allotment of securities has just been posted to Sheffield United Ltd companies house filings. Not a clue what it means but sure someone on here might.
There are various ways to value a company (asset based, profit based, finger in the air, pie in the sky etc.) it's both an art and a science, consultants and supposed experts make a lot of money out of company valuations. At the end of the day it comes down to what the owner wants for the business and if the market is willing to pay this price.Thanks
Let's assume we've not made any inroads into that debt in 22/23 and so it's still around £60m.
How does that affect people's views on the Prince's asking price for a club in that amount of debt ?
In my inexpert opinion , he's asking too much , which is why he can't sell.
Especially in view of our tenuous grip on PL status.
For those of us that need things spelling out as if we're 12, this is just over half an hour and explains things pretty well.
didn't factor Jokanovic's payoff
United World put £6m inDoes it say how many wheelbarrows full of cash the Prince has siphoned off this year? I'm guessing twelvety.
Are you sure? I've been repeatedly told there were wheelbarrows of cash...United World put £6m in
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