Jayden Bogle, what has happened?!

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Bergen Blade said:
Good player, poor form. Unless there's some unknown problem we should expect him to improve soon.
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Is he a good player though? Bit a flat track bully. Does well against poor sides at home but cannot recall many big games for him against top sides. He cannot defend, his positional sense is awful and he switches off. Offensively he at the moment cannot beat a man, has one trick (the step over) and lacks the aggressiveness.

He is coasting at the moment at the most crucial time of the season. Some are blaming injuries but he needs to show some effort and desire even if the forward stuff is not happening.

This is it. The crucial part of the seaosn where your big players peform. He has been awful the last month or so and that is a concern. I would take him out as like Lowe he is a bit of a libility but sadly options are limited.
 



Hits a rocky patch of form and suddenly he was never any good?! Come on that is complete bollocks. He was one of the few highs of our relegation season from the prem.

I agree that he can be suspect defensively but so can Trent Alexander-Arnold... Is he shite too?

Never any middle bloody ground with us Blades... Players are either brilliant or wank! Same as how we had been wank all season and were only second by chance when we hit that tricky patch!
 
Deadbat said:
Is he a good player though? Bit a flat track bully. Does well against poor sides at home but cannot recall many big games for him against top sides. He cannot defend, his positional sense is awful and he switches off. Offensively he at the moment cannot beat a man, has one trick (the step over) and lacks the aggressiveness.

He is coasting at the moment at the most crucial time of the season. Some are blaming injuries but he needs to show some effort and desire even if the forward stuff is not happening.

This is it. The crucial part of the seaosn where your big players peform. He has been awful the last month or so and that is a concern. I would take him out as like Lowe he is a bit of a libility but sadly options are limited.
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You not recognising a good player isn’t exactly a shock.
 
Deadbat said:
Is he a good player though? Bit a flat track bully. Does well against poor sides at home but cannot recall many big games for him against top sides. He cannot defend, his positional sense is awful and he switches off. Offensively he at the moment cannot beat a man, has one trick (the step over) and lacks the aggressiveness.

He is coasting at the moment at the most crucial time of the season. Some are blaming injuries but he needs to show some effort and desire even if the forward stuff is not happening.

This is it. The crucial part of the seaosn where your big players peform. He has been awful the last month or so and that is a concern. I would take him out as like Lowe he is a bit of a libility but sadly options are limited.
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Absolutely nailed it .

There have always been question marks about his defensive capabilities and tonight they were ruthlessly exposed for all to see . In the past , these have been compensated for to some extent by his ability going forward which have included the occasional flashes of brilliance .

Since his return to the side however , the latter part of his game has been noticeably absent . Couple these factors with his propensity for giving away daft free kicks and generally looking half arsed make him an absolute liability in my book .

I would go so far as to say that if he continues to be selected , then that in itself could seriously prejudice our chances of automatic promotion .

In his last few performances he has been poor . Tonight he was abysmal .
 
I think what we can all agree on is it's Baldocks shirt to lose currently.

Hopefully Lowe recovers by Saturday.
 
Deadbat said:
Is he a good player though? Bit a flat track bully. Does well against poor sides at home but cannot recall many big games for him against top sides. He cannot defend, his positional sense is awful and he switches off. Offensively he at the moment cannot beat a man, has one trick (the step over) and lacks the aggressiveness.

He is coasting at the moment at the most crucial time of the season. Some are blaming injuries but he needs to show some effort and desire even if the forward stuff is not happening.

This is it. The crucial part of the seaosn where your big players peform. He has been awful the last month or so and that is a concern. I would take him out as like Lowe he is a bit of a libility but sadly options are limited.
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I’d either put Clark in and JLT to left back or put Stevens in. Stevens has regressed but not to the point of being unable to perform basic defensive actions.

It’s not as if we rely as much on then defenders to create as we did a few years back.

It does feel that, like dare I say it Mousset, Bogle likes the trappings of being a pro footballer yet doesn’t seem to fancy the dirty work. He is such a contrast to Baldock. He probably has more natural talent but Baldock has far more application.
 
I'm not sure how either (33 year old no hamstrings) Clark or (slow and no acceleration) JLT are going to play LWB. Neither has either the pace or fitness to play as a wingback.

When people were raving about Bogle, I wasn't. He can't defend very well. The basics of concentration and positioning are lacking. He switches off. Going forward he can be very dangerous, on form, but that comes at the cost of the defensive side. Relies on others to cover that. Happy to wander and come inside. I've always felt though that his decision making in the final third has been poor. He got a fair bit of luck with deflections and rebounds in that hot spell.

Currently, I'd say he's an inconsistent it ok Championship wingback

But, he's only 22 and these things can be taught. I'd be more concerned about his defensive failings and question how good he'll be against world class players. I think Max Aarons, who is just a year older, is much better.
 
Worst player on the park last night by some distance....at fault for the First goal...and his awful attempt at a cross leads directly to their second.

First half tries to dribble through 4 defenders instead of playing a simple ball to Sander who crossess....

Clueless
 
I've had countless arguments on here when people have claimed he's the second coming of Cafu and should be picked over Baldock!

I've never seen it. For all the criticisms I have of Berge, Bogle is cut from the same cloth. We have people like him at work. Turn up at 0900 and at 1729 are sat with their coat on.

He's a physically talented kid, but he doesn't have that 'psycho' mentality that Could/Should kick him on. I'd rather have a Baldock, Basham type player who, if they are ever out of position, sprints back or throws their body in the way to compensate.
 
FMBlade1 said:
It's like he's had his football ability taken away from him like in Space Jam.

He should be over his injury problems by now and appears match fit but he's been dreadful, having previously looking like a slick PL potential player.

It's been a long time since I recall someone losing form so dramatically, what's happened?
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Sits between Norwood, Fleck and Stevens in the dressing room.
 
Deadbat said:
Is he a good player though? Bit a flat track bully. Does well against poor sides at home but cannot recall many big games for him against top sides. He cannot defend, his positional sense is awful and he switches off. Offensively he at the moment cannot beat a man, has one trick (the step over) and lacks the aggressiveness.

He is coasting at the moment at the most crucial time of the season. Some are blaming injuries but he needs to show some effort and desire even if the forward stuff is not happening.

This is it. The crucial part of the seaosn where your big players peform. He has been awful the last month or so and that is a concern. I would take him out as like Lowe he is a bit of a libility but sadly options are limited.
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Yes I think he's got good attributes, but he needs to get his head right. He should get some proper guidance and not accept the perception that Baldock is the defensive option while he's in the team just for his flair and skill. At the moment he's not looking confident and should probably go back to basics a bit. That doesn't mean pass it backwards every time, more quick, steady passes to a teammate, followed by movement when a run isn't on. It is frustrating when he does manage to beat a man, but then takes on the next as well, rather than finding a teammate. He has games when he gives away possession too often. His wonder game vs Stoke was one by the way. Two goals, MoM, but 39% pass completion! He clearly has good touch, skill and composure, so it's his decision making that lets him down.
 
Champagneblade said:
I’d either put Clark in and JLT to left back or put Stevens in. Stevens has regressed but not to the point of being unable to perform basic defensive actions.

It’s not as if we rely as much on then defenders to create as we did a few years back.

It does feel that, like dare I say it Mousset, Bogle likes the trappings of being a pro footballer yet doesn’t seem to fancy the dirty work. He is such a contrast to Baldock. He probably has more natural talent but Baldock has far more application.
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agree with you there get clark back in at lcb and switch robinson to lwb baldock at rwb bogle on the bench plus norwood and fleck shouldnt be picked ever again in our starting 11 neither will be here next season anyway
 
Hecky’s fault in my opinion. Bogie’s form has been atrocious for months so why keep picking him? Does he just hope that he’s suddenly going to come good in a game - he isn’t. I don’t know what the problem is with him but 2 things are blindingly apparent. He ain’t a defender and he is out of form so don’t play him. I’m sure it’s not deliberate but Bogle, Lowe & Norwood between them are conspiring to not get us promoted. Do not play the fuckers (apart from bit part 10 minute cameos if we must) for any of the remaining games if he does we’re fucked simple as. As for Wes, what a fuckin clown. He called for it he should have dealt with it. If this costs us it’s on his head too.
 



LJBlade said:
You not recognising a good player isn’t exactly a shock.
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I'd expect a good player to step up when it matters. He is getting worse week on week in the most crucial part of the season.

I'm not sure he has contributed much of anything last few months outside of the Stoke game. Been really disappointing as he had a good end to last season where he looked an attacking threat, full of skill and someone that gave us another dimension attacking wise.

At the moment he is offering nothing other than switching off defensively.

I also did nor like his attitude last night. The players on the whole were trying hard v 10 men, covering gaps and putting a lot of effort in. He was sauntering around,not working hard to deny space and looked completely disinterested. Saw a few players have a go at him as ball after ball reached his man and he was 20 yards off every time.
 
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Shocking management not to sub him instead of Robinson. Might have got a point if Hecky got that basic decision right

He's been off form for ages so should probably have regained it by now

He should be as fit as he's been in all his time here so it is bizarre

It's a pain because with 4 home games in a row it should have been a prime time for him. You'd have these games down as ones where he starts and breaks teams down. He's usually a reliable flat track bully, but not in his current form
 
Bertie Mee said:
Hecky’s fault in my opinion. Bogie’s form has been atrocious for months so why keep picking him? Does he just hope that he’s suddenly going to come good in a game - he isn’t. I don’t know what the problem is with him but 2 things are blindingly apparent. He ain’t a defender and he is out of form so don’t play him. I’m sure it’s not deliberate but Bogle, Lowe & Norwood between them are conspiring to not get us promoted. Do not play the fuckers (apart from bit part 10 minute cameos if we must) for any of the remaining games if he does we’re fucked simple as. As for Wes, what a fuckin clown. He called for it he should have dealt with it. If this costs us it’s on his head too.
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It's a recurring theme. Hecky likes to give players an extra 2 months just to confirm how out of form they are before he drops them
 
Deadbat said:
I'd expect a good player to step up when it matters. He is getting worse week on week in the most crucial part of the season.

I'm not sure he has contributed much of anything last few months outside of the Stoke game. Been really disappointing as he had a good end to last season where he looked an attacking threat, full of skill and someone that gave us another dimension attacking wise.

At the moment he is offering nothing other than switching off defensively.

I also did nor like his attitude last night. The players on the whole were trying hard v 10 men, covering gaps and putting a lot of effort in. He was sauntering around,not working hard to deny space and looked completely disinterested. Saw a few players have a go at him as ball after ball reached his man and he was 20 yards off every time.
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So at the end of last season he was a good player but now he’s not? Or is it more likely that he is still a good player but he’s out of form, given that he’s been in an out of the side and that he had fairly major knee surgery (twice).
 
He doesn't anticipate danger and for a defender, that's a problem. I think he's just rusty in terms of his attacking play but he needs extra time with a coach to work on his defensive game. We can't trust him against good opposition. If we're playing one of the better teams, we've got to go with Baldock at RB. If we're playing weaker opposition and going to dominate possession, then (a fully fit) Bogle is my preferred option for his creativity. He's 22, there's time for him to improve.
 
Hamandcheese said:
It's a recurring theme. Hecky likes to give players an extra 2 months just to confirm how out of form they are before he drops them
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Bit worrying that aspect of Hecks management , in that how long it takes him to see the obvious , e.g its been clear for a while now that Bogle is no defender even when playing well , the midfield cant function properly when the 3 amigos are on together , it dont matter how good they were , if they cant fuckin run or tackle we struggle in there . And got to say i also thought he took the wrong person off last night , our only left footed defender and the option of a ball into the box better than a lot of our corners has to come off while players contributing next to fuck all stay on , we were lop sided to start with George on the wrong side . On a different topic , anyone notice how many times cuntface Hinchcliffe commented on the sending off tackle and failed to notice the tackle was outside the box ?
 
Some right bullshit being written in here. On song, he is one of our best and most creative attackers, he was out for a year and thrust straight back into playing cause baldock was injured. He did ok initially but now appears to be badly struggling. But to say he has always been shite is absolutely ridiculous
 
Mojo said:
Some right bullshit being written in here. On song, he is one of our best and most creative attackers, he was out for a year and thrust straight back into playing cause baldock was injured. He did ok initially but now appears to be badly struggling. But to say he has always been shite is absolutely ridiculous
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He’s not Shite

He’s out of form and currently playing shite and is somewhat of a liability.

Baldock back as RWB - Clark LCB - Robinson LWB

Make us as solid as possible to support the energy of Doyle and Macatee . Drop Norwood .
 
Bertie Mee said:
Hecky’s fault in my opinion. Bogie’s form has been atrocious for months so why keep picking him? Does he just hope that he’s suddenly going to come good in a game - he isn’t. I don’t know what the problem is with him but 2 things are blindingly apparent. He ain’t a defender and he is out of form so don’t play him. I’m sure it’s not deliberate but Bogle, Lowe & Norwood between them are conspiring to not get us promoted. Do not play the fuckers (apart from bit part 10 minute cameos if we must) for any of the remaining games if he does we’re fucked simple as. As for Wes, what a fuckin clown. He called for it he should have dealt with it. If this costs us it’s on his head too.
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To be fair we have got 4 LWBs out.
 
LJBlade said:
So at the end of last season he was a good player but now he’s not? Or is it more likely that he is still a good player but he’s out of form, given that he’s been in an out of the side and that he had fairly major knee surgery (twice).
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It’s the age old adage that form is temporary but class is permanent.

Only problem is, when someone is more bad than good it’s not easy to differentiate the two!
 
I find it interesting that a player has had a bad few games, but it's obvious they're trying is getting more hassle than a player made a basic error, and made a really stupid decision and got themselves sent off early on in a big game.

The result of last nights game is on the red card, absolutely nothing and no one else.
 
I don't think he's a bad player. However I don't think hes that great. He's an average to decent Championship player that has had some good spells of form mixed with some poor ones. He is rarely fit sadly either.

I believe he thinks he is better than he is (could be wrong but my feeling) and needs to show a better work ethic. He has talent but when the forward stuff is not working, he needs to do the basics.

I think it's telling that a year ago many thought he was Premier League quality and was someone who could easily step up but now I think most fans would prefer Baldock to him.

I'm just disappointed that the crucial part of the season him and Lowes form has dipped.

I'm just not sure either of these players will be much better than Champ based on their inconsistency and injury record.
 



Just play basham at right wing back Better than boggle both defensively and going forward Dies not go missing Ok he is not great at right wing back but I know he is at least as good as boggle
 
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