Lee Williamson....

[metalblade]

I don't know why I bothered, another reply that proves you're just incapable of debate.

We didn't sell Lowton because of his wages. We sold him for the £1.5M to £3M that we were paid because current outgoings exceed incomings. Why are you incapable of grasping the most very basic things like this?

UTB

Outgoings being wages I presume, surely better not to have high earners at the club but as we seem to be stuck with them any decent player we have is in danger of being sold. I really don't see what you are trying to say ???
You are not making a lot of sense again.

 

[alcoblade]

Outgoings being wages I presume, surely better not to have high earners at the club but as we seem to be stuck with them any decent player we have is in danger of being sold. I really don't see what you are trying to say ???
You are not making a lot of sense again.

We sold Lowton because we needed the money (complicated, isn't it?)
We're stuck with the high earners that nobody else wants. This isn't by choice.

Its the same circle, and you just can't / won't grasp it. We are in a financial mess, largely of McCabe's making. Most people criticise him for it. You seem to inexplicably miss this, in your attempt to criticise every current decision that's made. Given the mess we're in, McCabe's current decisions are largely understandable.

UTB

 

[raul]

I think McCabe has finally made the football club his priority from a business perspective...probabl;y about 5 years too late. I think he was arrogant/foolish/naive (delete as appropriate) to think that he could just throw money at the club and we would automatically get back to the Premiership. If he was as prudent before he brought Robson in as he appears to be now (i.e. the way West Brom operate) we wouldn't be in this mess .

The fact the suppliers and other bills are being paid is a good sign. He has allowed DW to bring players in before releasing players but as DW now states,the wage bill has to come down quickly or no other players will come in. I would have thought that anyone who is on appearance money for being in the match day squad (Monty and Cresswell ?)may not be selected if they are just going to be on the bench and will probably not play .

Transfer fees aren't really the issue at the moment it is the wages. It wouldn't surprise me,in my opinion,if Quinn,Monty and Cresswell were allowed to leave on free transfers provided someone picks up 100% of the wage bill. Logic would suggest that McMahon and Blackman were brought in as Williamson had not signed so I would hav e thought the chance of Willo coming back after his month at Portsmouth are very low to say the least.

I don't agree with your point about McCabe 'winding us up' indeed I think that is far from the truth. There is no reason for him to do this now (it would appear) he has control of our major asset and his debts are covered. The only danger of administration would be if the bills weren't being paid which is not the case.The only concern I have is that if McCabe decides not to put any more money in,who will step in. I believe this cost cutting is the only way McCabe has of ensuring he will no longer have to put money into the club after this season ends.

My major concern remains....how does McCabe intend to get his money back...if that is his intention ?

I think the answer is the only way he knows how - development. It's what he excels at.

If you look back over his tenure, he's always been at his most communicative when he's wanted to build something. Now, he doesn't even have to bother pr-ing us up. Expect to see a mix of residential, leisure and business bricks and mortar on any availble square foot of land, only this time he doesn't have to sell it to us as " a net contributor to football club income" he can use it, in perpetuity, to repay what he is owed.

If all this goes ahead, expect also drip drip stuff about the structural state of the Kop and how something needs to be done, and, on gates of around 15,000 how the current one is too big for our needs...... in short, have a closer look this time around at Barry Hearn's Brisbane Road. Sadly for us S2 isn't exactly SW1 so I think we can forget the Stamford Bridge model.

Could be wrong, but the only way football can get him his money back is by being in the Prem and if he's had enough of putting his hand in his pocket, then he's had enough of putting his hand in his pocket. Of course he could get a chunk back on big rental rises if we ever return but surely anyone coming in to invest in the football subsidiary of Scarborough plc will be negotiating for that eventuality on day 1 and will walk away from the table if it's considered too high.

 

[Revolution]

If things are so bad that the likes of Doyle and Collins, who can't be on "crippling wages" given when they were signed, have to be sold, then we are essentially in a death spiral until McCabe exists or another investor comes in.

This is because it seems that, whether by choice or necessity, we do not have the funds to compete with the teams in this division, so the squad will get cheaper and cheaper - and less and less experienced - over time.

My fear is that this will result in relegation again, probably next season, but this season if we really do have a fire sale by the end of August.

What a horrifying prospect.

Essentially, we are turning into Bradford City.

 

[bartman]

If things are so bad that the likes of Doyle and Collins, who can't be on "crippling wages" given when they were signed, have to be sold, then we are essentially in a death spiral until McCabe exists or another investor comes in.

This is because it seems that, whether by choice or necessity, we do not have the funds to compete with the teams in this division, so the squad will get cheaper and cheaper - and less and less experienced - over time.

My fear is that this will result in relegation again, probably next season, but this season if we really do have a fire sale by the end of August.

What a horrifying prospect.

Essentially, we are turning into Bradford City.

Doyle and Collins are in our top 5 earners I would have thought and are (I think) in the last year of their contracts which is why they will be on the radar.



I would doubt all 5 of the top earners will leave but if two of Monty,Cresswell and Quinn don’t leave, I would expect that we would accept bids for Doyle (Monty,Whitehouse can play that position) although losing Collins for me would be worrying as we have no obvious replacement and I like us to keep Quinn if at all possible although I accept this is unlikely.



Bearing in mind we are in the 3rd tier,we will probably still have one of the highest wage bills in the division as we will have the highest crowds. It will be a ‘level’ playing field (or should be) so we should still be a strong position for a promotion push despite having a weaker squad than last season

 

[Revolution]

Bearing in mind we are in the 3rd tier,we will probably still have one of the highest wage bills in the division as we will have the highest crowds. It will be a ‘level’ playing field (or should be) so we should still be a strong position for a promotion push despite having a weaker squad than last season

The crowds will be falling as the death spiral continues.

And there will not be a level playing field. We owe millions to McCabe, and the plan is to reduce that amount. We are going to be run on a shoestring. Anyone good will be sold. We cannot progess under this scenario.

 

[JohnDenver]

The crowds will be falling as the death spiral continues.

And there will not be a level playing field. We owe millions to McCabe, and the plan is to reduce that amount. We are going to be run on a shoestring. Anyone good will be sold. We cannot progess under this scenario.

The only way out is for Kev to write off the debt or we get lucky with a squad that gels and develops so quickly that they succeed before being sold.

Frankly, we had our time as big spending (Ie borrowing) Charlies and completely fecked it up. Time to reap what was sown.

 

[Houso]

One thing we have that Bradford didn't, is a conveyor belt of young talent to sell on and ease our spending.

We'll get luckier before they do.

 

[alcoblade]

We owe millions to McCabe, and the plan is to reduce that amount. We are going to be run on a shoestring. Anyone good will be sold. We cannot progess under this scenario.

I don't think McCabe's plan is to reduce the millions we owe him - the debt for equity swaps suggest otherwise for starters. The plan is, I believe, to reduce the rate at which we're adding to the millions that we owe him. And there's a big difference in those 2 scenarios, in terms of the timeline before we're out of the mess.

UTB

 

[Come from away]

It is one thing to dump on McCabe, his decisions, but if he were to walk away without another investor in sight we would indeed get the fire-sale that so many seem delighted to wish for our club. For me I remain grateful that he has not 'picked up his ball' and walked away and we still have a viable club. I am sure when somebody wins the lottery for a hundred million or so they would be happy to throw it at the club. I look forward to the day when they step forward to do something constructive. Best of luck to the boys on Saturday. UTB!!!

 

[Grecian2000]

we would indeed get the fire-sale that so many seem delighted to wish for our club.

Like who?

People are concerned, some to the point of distraction, but those who watch this club week upon week want to see better players not the best ones being sold off.
Where have you seen that people want our best players to go, because it sure isn't on here?

 

[raul]

I'm just glad I still have a team to support.

 

[blade too long]

At least being skint no one can mock our buys

 

[Rodley]

Like who?

People are concerned, some to the point of distraction, but those who watch this club week upon week want to see better players not the best ones being sold off.
Where have you seen that people want our best players to go, because it sure isn't on here?

I don't know Grecian. There's a few on here who tend to "ejaculate" posts whenever one of our players is linked to move away.

 

[Come from away]

Like who?

People are concerned, some to the point of distraction, but those who watch this club week upon week want to see better players not the best ones being sold off.
Where have you seen that people want our best players to go, because it sure isn't on here?

Sorry son, you must be joking, there is hardly a player that someone hasn't called rubbish and put on a get rid list. Others appear to take pleasure in predicting our demise. I just don't agree, call it my perception or my opinion if you like; which I chose to share. Take a walk through 'our' (the forum) recent history and I think you will have lots of choice quotes.

 

[judge]

Outgoings being wages I presume, surely better not to have high earners at the club but as we seem to be stuck with them any decent player we have is in danger of being sold. I really don't see what you are trying to say ???
You are not making a lot of sense again.

Cheer up metal it could be worse , just think if you were paying money to go and watch this shit .mindfuck or what ?

 

[metalblade]

Cheer up metal it could be worse , just think if you were paying money to go and watch this shit .mindfuck or what ?

For a lot of years they used to pay me to watch that shit

 

[judge]

That explains it then . You were obviously relieved of your duties as social club compare as part of cutbacks to find montys wages You vowed to exact revenge on the two things that ruined your life
Kevin McCabe and optimism

 

[metalblade]

 

[silverfox]

I remember Monty calling the bingo out one night #1 Paddy Kenny..... #9 Rob Hulse then he pulled his shirt number out and got confused #4 Issac Hunt

I don't react often but that post is pretty pathetic!

 

[God]

Like who?

People are concerned, some to the point of distraction, but those who watch this club week upon week want to see better players not the best ones being sold off.
Where have you seen that people want our best players to go, because it sure isn't on here?

Really??? how about the arseholes that are secretly praying that the club get shut of Quinny because they simply have it in for him??????

 

[raul]

There you are Grecian . The club is fucking riddled with SCF's

 

[God]

There you are Grecian . The club is fucking riddled with SCF's

SCF's ??? You'll have to excuse my ignorance.

 

[Princess Annes Dog]

It is one thing to dump on McCabe, his decisions, but if he were to walk away without another investor in sight we would indeed get the fire-sale that so many seem delighted to wish for our club.

You know what? I find that as offensive as I do pathetic. What a completely ridiculous comment to make. I've been there, seen it and done it for this football club as many others my age have too, and whenever I see misguided claptrap like that it makes me shake my head and wonder what happened to the hearty souls of yesteryear.

Do you honestly know why we're pissed off? Do you have any idea how angry the state that the club is in makes us? No, you haven't a clue because all you care about is "singing your head off for 90 minutes", "getting behind the boys" etc etc... My club, OUR club, YOUR fucking club is on its knees and we're in real danger of going pop here, and all you care about is having a snidy dig as though real fans shouldn't get upset by this. We should simply go buy a new shirt ready for the new season, enjoy every second of what promises to be a feast of pub football, and merrily applaud the chairman as he listens to any offer that will only increase the limitations of the playing staff further.

I don't delight in this, none of us do so FFS please think before you post such condescending drivel.

UT effing B's

 

[TarquinDelouche]

To be fair PAD, there's a lot of condescending drivel on both sides of the argument. It winds me up that there are certain subjects that can't be discussed without descending into petty name calling and snidy point scoring.