Not a red - club should appeal that red card

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From what I could tell, on the main replay it didn't show the initial incident where Jebbo has been accused of violent conduct. In the replay you see Jebbo trying to get past his man, they both raise their arms and there's nothing in it. But in the full match coverage, the camera view is miles away from an incident that happens before Jebbo sets off on his run and eventually passes his man, in that initial incident Jebbo and his man are tussling and Jebbo tries to trip his man up.

If this is the case, then I can see the red card not being turned over. Ultimately sticking your leg out off of the ball can be considered violent conduct and unless the club can find evidence that proves Jebbo didn't do it, and considering we're struggling to find evidence of whether he did do it, the officials will rely on the fourth officials statement explaining what he saw
 
I'd love to be as outraged at the decision as everyone else, but when you look at the replay, before Jebbo starts his run, he clearly tries to trip his man, the Wrexham player then throws his arms up as though to say 'what the fuck are you doing?' and then Jebbo skips past him, but the Wrexham player reacts to Jebbo's attempted trip. Hate to say it but I agree it's a sending off.
 
I was completely stumped at the time. Now I'm equally irritated that BBC's coverage couldn't even find a decent clip and talk about what I think is the right bit.



Happens at 4:11, you see Jebbison kick out. Not a lot in it, but if that's what the fourth official spotted then we can say it's harsh all day long but it's not getting overturned and it's poor discipline from a lad who's been showing so much promise of late.
 
Stu_Blade said:
That annoys me to be fair, yes the referee needs to earn the respect of the players through communication etc however surrounding of referees there is no excuse for. The offence would be a caution for dissent which if the ball is in play would be an indirect free kick. I quite like the Rugby Law where any talking back and they move the penalty in their case 10 metres up the pitch, i think that could be an option plus Captains should take on much more responsibility. In Rugby you see the referees actively use them to communicate to the team on all aspects however football it is like an honorary title.
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Agreed, but football tried the moving the ball forward 10 yards after player dissent a few years back but it seemed to vanish as quickly as it was introduced. Either the ref’s we’re too weak and forgot about it or the top clubs got together behind the scenes and got it scrapped. Either way the respect for the ref and his decisions nowadays is non existent.
 
I'm sure the club will request all available footage and angles before deciding whether to appeal. It's a pisser as Jebbo looked decent yesterday but hey ho..... Just another shitty spanner in the works...
 
Rufus Smalls said:
If they are there to assist the referee then have they all lost the ability to count to six every time the goalie picks the ball up ?

That’s the problem, the easy stuff should be a doddle with a fourth official but that rule seems to be completely overlooked. Basically it’s shear incompetence.

Also the surrounding of ref’s has massively ramped up again this season, but guess what ? ……. the authorities are too weak to enforce the laws of the game.
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I agree with all of that particularly the time keepers hold the ball. The ref must easily see when 10:seconds have passed let alone 6.
The worst culprit in the Championship is Foderingham ! How he gets away with it is staggering.
 
Le Cynique said:
No, you're right. I'm sure Jebbo's lashing out with his foot was just to help Tozer on his way.
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Hecky has seen the same angles as you and says it's a ridiculous sending off as did mark hughes on the day.... but you know better I suppose
 

ormester said:
No jebbo didn't connect the difference is the hull player was vindictive jebbo did nothing
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Didn’t connect, with what… he didn’t do anything….

Mate you’re contradicting ya sen, either he kicked but didn’t connect, or did nothing?

Imo the 4th official knew he was on tele and bagged his 3 minutes of fame, had that been in the national league would he have done it? No.

However, Jebbo has to learn to control his emotion - score, then run past the player and give him a wink.
He gave them a decision and they took it, harsh one but if you kick out it can be a red, the official compounded it, but Jebbo gave them the opportunity
 
wizadry said:
I still can’t believe people thought what Jebbo did was worthy of a sending off or at least what they thought they saw. What a pathetic state of affairs they’ve made of our game. Corrupt bastards!
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It's probably like that tree that fell over in the woods the other day. I didn't hear it make a sound, but I'll take the word of the guy that was there that it did
 
Westran said:
I'd love to be as outraged at the decision as everyone else, but when you look at the replay, before Jebbo starts his run, he clearly tries to trip his man, the Wrexham player then throws his arms up as though to say 'what the fuck are you doing?' and then Jebbo skips past him, but the Wrexham player reacts to Jebbo's attempted trip. Hate to say it but I agree it's a sending off.
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I would have thought a trip would be worth the same as a shirt pull. Both committing a foul to try and gain an advantage to get to the ball. Both yellow card.

Jebbo’s been done for ‘violent’ conduct though - suggesting he was trying to kick Tozer to hurt him (because he was angry about his shirt being pulled).

In the first scenario it’s not quite ‘off the ball’ because it’s about trying to get to the pass in play. That seems different to something like Beckham’s ‘kick’ of Simeone in that World Cup game when the ball wasn’t in play and he was done for violent conduct as he was clearly trying to ‘hurt’ poor Diego.

Saying it was an attempted trip is actually Jebbo’s best defence in my view - as it wasn’t violent, just an attempt to cheat (like Tozer’s). It doesn’t matter of course because we’re not appealing, but I still don’t think it should have been a red card.
 
jt64 said:
It's probably like that tree that fell over in the woods the other day. I didn't hear it make a sound, but I'll take the word of the guy that was there that it did
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I was there, about 20 yards away from the incident, there was no violent conduct, they’ve made it up for reasons only they will know.

I know what I saw and nothing I’ve seen afterwards has changed my mind on it. Anyway, it doesn’t matter because we aren’t appealing it and that on its own is a sad indictment of the sport, a game that is live around the globe to see yet there’s no evidence of this violence from Jebbo. Game’s well and truly gone!
 
It's one of them dammed if you do dammed if you don't if he would have thrown himself to the floor with a slight shirt pull you get the rightful criticism of diving all over etc, if you compete or in this case according to the officials over compete he gets sent off. Jebbo needs to take it on the chin as a lesson next time get in front of your man, get pulled back and go down which is what the game seems to want
 
Drunk blade said:
Hecky has seen the same angles as you and says it's a ridiculous sending off as did mark hughes on the day.... but you know better I suppose
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And yet we're not appealing it, which suggests to me that there's little confidence that it would be overturned. I'm not saying that he tried to cripple Tozer, but by the letter of the law it was a red because he lashed out with his foot. I'm fairly sure that's the conclusion that the management team have come to. Yes, it was a harsh red, but as it followed the laws of the game there wasn't a chance in hell that it would be overturned.
 
Le Cynique said:
And yet we're not appealing it, which suggests to me that there's little confidence that it would be overturned. I'm not saying that he tried to cripple Tozer, but by the letter of the law it was a red because he lashed out with his foot. I'm fairly sure that's the conclusion that the management team have come to. Yes, it was a harsh red, but as it followed the laws of the game there wasn't a chance in hell that it would be overturned.
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They're not appealing it because there is no evidence of the incident to prove either way, its a joke sending off ...not even a red in basketball
 
Grey Blade said:
I don't know if the Wrexham fans saw what happened but all the Blades fans seemed bemused by what was going on
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At the ground during the “incident” we and many around us assumed that Parkinson was going to get carded for something.
 
Foxy said:
At the ground during the “incident” we and many around us assumed that Parkinson was going to get carded for something.
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I couldn't really see what happened because there was a big bloke on the row in front and I spent most of the game trying to look round him when the ball was anywhere beyond the halfway line. Once added time started the big chap had gone along with a few more and I had a good view of our third goal. Still don't know what Jebbo was supposed to have done - it looked like Tozer backed into him, but as others have said, maybe something happened before that?
 
Can't believe today's games not been abandoned... about 32 incidents of violent conduct based on the jebbo red

Think jebbo might have got us a win today, thought mcburnie's link up play was very poor
 
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