Lee Williamson....

[Sheff de party]

Id just put the offer on the table and say we would like to know your decision by x date then it will be withdrawn.

In the meantime while you decide please don't attend training unless you have signed the new deal.

Which is pretty much what we have done It seems.

i concur. it avoids the lunacy of reducing contracts mentioned earlier in thread.

 

[puppet]

That will be £10 Mr Williamson for the use of facilities and another £2 for the powerade you had out the cooler.

cheque payable to scarborough estates....

 

[Bergen Blade]

i concur. it avoids the lunacy of reducing contracts mentioned earlier in thread.

This from a poster who suggested the player went on strike before his contract ran out because he hadn't been offered a new one.

The deal I suggested would reward the player for making a quick decision, knowing that him taking ages to decide would mean we'd miss out on other targets and make squad planning more difficult. Having the same offer on the table with no deadline gives the player a nice extended holiday, while other targets signs for other clubs.

 

[Sheff de party]

This from a poster who suggested the player went on strike before his contract ran out because he hadn't been offered a new one.

The deal I suggested would reward the player for making a quick decision, knowing that him taking ages to decide would mean we'd miss out on other targets and make squad planning more difficult. Having the same offer on the table with no deadline gives the player a nice extended holiday, while other targets signs for other clubs.

i didnt suggest he went on strike. i said what u were suggesting is the same as him going on strike. theyre both as crazy as each other.

i just think ur expecting complete loyalty from a player we didnt offer it to. would he have got a new deal if we'd gone up i wonder? or would we have looked around for a while, seen if we could get someone better then settled for Willo if we couldnt. everyone's playing the same game and i completely understand that at his age and time of career, he's got to see if he can get a championship move. if not, he'll stay.

 

[Bergen Blade]

i just think ur expecting complete loyalty from a player we didnt offer it to. would he have got a new deal if we'd gone up i wonder? or would we have looked around for a while, seen if we could get someone better then settled for Willo if we couldnt. everyone's playing the same game and i completely understand that at his age and time of career, he's got to see if he can get a championship move. if not, he'll stay.

No. I wrote this earlier in the thread:

When you give a player a three year contract, you should expect three years of him doing his best for the club. Not more. If you expect him to give his best for four years, you should give him a four year contract.

Any player is free to reject a deal offered. Willo goes with my best wishes if he finds a deal that suits him better than whatever we offered, I don't expect any loyalty beyond an ongoing contract.

 

[ShropshireBlade]

He still hasn't signed for anyone then....

 

[Bladesman]

He still hasn't signed for anyone then....

Maybe tomorrow? Or perhaps the grass isn't greener elsewhere?

 

[Bladesway]

Meh, if he signs that a bonus because he is a decent player at our level. If he doesn't then its not like it was unexpected. He is just like most other footballers, bent on as much money and personal gain no matter what it makes him look like.

Pesky agents I guess

 

[geekblade]

When players contracts come up for renewal I take everything either party says these days with a pinch of salt. Behind closed doors anything could happening. We'll see when we see.

 

[Kev Gee]

I wouldnt want him to sign for us now.

I think we should give his place in the squad to a young player from the academy/reserves who is keen & willing to impress & give his all for the club.

 

[mattbianco1]

Joined Portsmouth on a one month deal.

What a complete tool!

 

[Wards]

Tool indeed.

I also can't quite believe they've managed to squirm out of the points deduction - and they wonder why no-one likes them or really cares whether they go under

 

[JohnDenver]

Joined Portsmouth on a one month deal.

What a complete tool!

Seriously? What on earth......

 

[Kev Gee]

He obviously doesn't want to look an even bigger tool by crawling back to us cap in hand.

 

[shreds1975]

Been seeing some ridiculous statements from Pompey fans on twitter. You would think there woudl be some caution from them given past experience and the fact that any Trust buyout has to negotiate PKF fees (£1.5m +) that Chainrai was unwilling to fund and these other claims that he mentioned. That's before running the club.

These comments include accusing questioning fans of other clubs of ignorance of Portsmouth's and a lack of understanding of how a football club is run. Ignorance that they displayed around the events leading to two administrations. It strikesme Pompey fans want to have their cake, eat it and worry about the waistline later. 10 players signed today including Brian Howard and Williamson is taking the piss and the fans are so blase about it . I bet Argyle fans are glad they did a bucket collection the other night. A Carlisle supporting mate was told "It's better we (PFC) survive or it might start a domino effect on small clubs like yourselves". Some of these fans need to take a long hard look at themselves and their wonderful club that woudl rather pay Mokoena and Kanu than local businesses and St John's Ambulance.

To top it off they get the ten point deduction deferred by the FL until they leave admin and Birch hopes the FL will review the penalty at that point. It is a disgrace.

A Portsmouth fan said to me tonight that "Fans of other clubs have no idea about our situation. The FL have to ensure we are "competitive". "

I don't recall that obligation being applied to Rotherham, Luton or Carlisle (the latter paid back 100p in the £). Does this mean the FL has an obligation to ensure small clubs like Bury (that operate within in a strict financial structure and have little income) are competitive? Or just those that are mis-managed and cheated for a period of time?

Too many heads have returned up their own arses on the South Coast today, exactly where they were when Pompey were blowing cash everywhere and successful.

 

[raul]

Boycott Fratton Park maybe?

 

[davidpinder]

Joke so if they go up then surely clubs will complain clubs have started with -10 and been fine in the past.

 

[sheffielder]

How the hell can Portsmouth offer Williamson offer any money considering they forced players to leave the club. Sounds like they got Ben Haim 35k off the monthly wage bill to pay 10 players. Hope they rot in hell

 

[JohnDenver]

How the hell can Portsmouth offer Williamson offer any money considering they forced players to leave the club. Sounds like they got Ben Haim 35k off the monthly wage bill to pay 10 players. Hope they rot in hell

If you spotted some chatter in the Shout Box today, it stated that SUFC are making redundancies imminently and are open to offers for all their highest paid players: Monty, Quinn, Cress, plus Doyle and Collins. We're over-budget for the season and need to rein back in.

That's exactly as you'd expect. We're victims of our own incompetence. At least McCabe is willing to keep us rolling (even if he's also to blame), and to keep paying the bills for suppliers who deal with us in good faith.

Now consider that the offer we made Willo has been deemed unfavourable compared to Pompey's. A club whose financial state is ten times worse.

Sorry, I'm stating the bleeding obvious but I just can't compute this at all.....

 

[Bert]

Portsmouth have signed (only for a month) a bunch of tossers (mostly ex-Blades) who think that they are worth far more than their true value is, ie next to nowt.

It will all end badly and Bert doubts that they will win a game. Hopefully they will go under and take a few other clubs with them. United won't be one of them whilst McCabe is still in charge. We'd have gone under a long time ago if he'd have wanted to pull the plug.

Reality needs to dawn very quickly in the footballing world.

 

[Jehovah]

Im gutted about this and feel really let down by Willo. He certainly went missing in the big games, but for 85% of the season was a fine player at this standard and know how to finish. Seems such a bizarre move.

 

[Princess Annes Dog]

If you spotted some chatter in the Shout Box today, it stated that SUFC are making redundancies imminently and are open to offers for all their highest paid players: Monty, Quinn, Cress, plus Doyle and Collins. We're over-budget for the season and need to rein back in.

That's exactly as you'd expect. We're victims of our own incompetence. At least McCabe is willing to keep us rolling (even if he's also to blame), and to keep paying the bills for suppliers who deal with us in good faith.

Now consider that the offer we made Willo has been deemed unfavourable compared to Pompey's. A club whose financial state is ten times worse.

Sorry, I'm stating the bleeding obvious but I just can't compute this at all.....

Excellent post, but one of the scariest and saddest there's been in a long while. "We're over budget for the season" and it hasn't even started yet? Dear me, how can the manager make plans when any moment a bigger club such as...well.....such as just about anyone could come in and make a bid for our high earners and we'd be forced to take it.

McCabe keeps paying the bills to our suppliers but for how long? If we're looking to offload virtually anyone, and we're making redundancies then what's the point? Surely if all he's doing is "paying our suppliers" then there's no point in the club continuing. Sounds like the football side is bottom of the priority list here, and as we used to be known as Sheffield United FOOTBALL CLUB then like I say, what's the point, there simply is no future.

I know the usual suspects will have a pop at my negativity but for goodness sake take a look at the place, the bloke in charge has begun winding us up and all some of you can do is look forward to next season, tip us for promotion etc., keep your head buried in the sand and all the while the club is getting deeper in debt and closer to the end.

You're killing us Mr McCabe, some Blade you are.

 

[metalblade]

Excellent post, but one of the scariest and saddest there's been in a long while. "We're over budget for the season" and it hasn't even started yet? Dear me, how can the manager make plans when any moment a bigger club such as...well.....such as just about anyone could come in and make a bid for our high earners and we'd be forced to take it.

McCabe keeps paying the bills to our suppliers but for how long? If we're looking to offload virtually anyone, and we're making redundancies then what's the point? Surely if all he's doing is "paying our suppliers" then there's no point in the club continuing. Sounds like the football side is bottom of the priority list here, and as we used to be known as Sheffield United FOOTBALL CLUB then like I say, what's the point, there simply is no future.

I know the usual suspects will have a pop at my negativity but for goodness sake take a look at the place, the bloke in charge has begun winding us up and all some of you can do is look forward to next season, tip us for promotion etc., keep your head buried in the sand and all the while the club is getting deeper in debt and closer to the end.

You're killing us Mr McCabe, some Blade you are.

Can't argue against any of the above but I think you are pissing into the wind, football fans in general are quick to point the finger at rival clubs (and rightly so Pompey are a disgrace) but not so quick to see their own failings. We were all pissing ourselves laughing not so long ago when that lot at S6 were in court unable to pay the tax bill but they are just another in a long line who have cheated creditors any other business would have been wound up overnight, the scum up the M1 are another corrupt outfit and that knobhead Risdale is still throwing millions of other peoples money about. The world has gone mad when Williamson chooses to go to Pompey rather than sign a contract with us or maybe he knows something we don't ?
We point the finger at Leeds, the pigs, Portsmouth etc but hang on criticise McCabe and within minutes half this forum are jumping to his defence when the truth is he is little different to your Mandaric's, Risdale's or Bates. Who in their right minds gives 3yr contracts out to the over 30's ? We have 3 players who are probably taking £30k out of the club between them every week or over £1.5m every year or enough to keep around 100 staff on the minimum wage for a year, and all some can say is "that's life" when we announce redundancies. Then all we hear is "he is the best we've ever had" yet he is still making the same mistakes, ffs on top of the loans he takes out to pay previous loans he is still going to pay the wages of the high earners who we can't move on .................. hows he going to do it take another loan out ? he can't take anymore land assets.
So we have brought in a few players even though we are still over the wage budget but the for sale signs are up for just about anyone who can command a fee fookin unbelievable, something tells me administration could be just round the corner. McCabe has fooked this club up big style but at the same time ensured he won't be the one who has to take 2p for every pound. I'll sit back and await the shitstorm coming my way.

 

[alcoblade]

Excellent post, but one of the scariest and saddest there's been in a long while. "We're over budget for the season" and it hasn't even started yet? Dear me, how can the manager make plans when any moment a bigger club such as...well.....such as just about anyone could come in and make a bid for our high earners and we'd be forced to take it.

McCabe keeps paying the bills to our suppliers but for how long? If we're looking to offload virtually anyone, and we're making redundancies then what's the point? Surely if all he's doing is "paying our suppliers" then there's no point in the club continuing. Sounds like the football side is bottom of the priority list here, and as we used to be known as Sheffield United FOOTBALL CLUB then like I say, what's the point, there simply is no future.

I know the usual suspects will have a pop at my negativity but for goodness sake take a look at the place, the bloke in charge has begun winding us up and all some of you can do is look forward to next season, tip us for promotion etc., keep your head buried in the sand and all the while the club is getting deeper in debt and closer to the end.

You're killing us Mr McCabe, some Blade you are.

If you took over tomorrow, what would you do?

UTB

 

[alcoblade]

Can't argue against any of the above but I think you are pissing into the wind, football fans in general are quick to point the finger at rival clubs (and rightly so Pompey are a disgrace) but not so quick to see their own failings. We were all pissing ourselves laughing not so long ago when that lot at S6 were in court unable to pay the tax bill but they are just another in a long line who have cheated creditors any other business would have been wound up overnight, the scum up the M1 are another corrupt outfit and that knobhead Risdale is still throwing millions of other peoples money about. The world has gone mad when Williamson chooses to go to Pompey rather than sign a contract with us or maybe he knows something we don't ?
We point the finger at Leeds, the pigs, Portsmouth etc but hang on criticise McCabe and within minutes half this forum are jumping to his defence when the truth is he is little different to your Mandaric's, Risdale's or Bates. Who in their right minds gives 3yr contracts out to the over 30's ? We have 3 players who are probably taking £30k out of the club between them every week or over £1.5m every year or enough to keep around 100 staff on the minimum wage for a year, and all some can say is "that's life" when we announce redundancies. Then all we hear is "he is the best we've ever had" yet he is still making the same mistakes, ffs on top of the loans he takes out to pay previous loans he is still going to pay the wages of the high earners who we can't move on .................. hows he going to do it take another loan out ? he can't take anymore land assets.
So we have brought in a few players even though we are still over the wage budget but the for sale signs are up for just about anyone who can command a fee fookin unbelievable, something tells me administration could be just round the corner. McCabe has fooked this club up big style but at the same time ensured he won't be the one who has to take 2p for ever pound. I'll sit back and await the shitstorm coming my way.

The reason your views have been challenged is because they are the exact opposite of what you're saying here.

When we sold Matt Lowton to help balance the books, you were extremely critical.

If you make a point that we're in a mess because of McCabe's mistakes then contrary to what you keep saying, a large majority agree. But if we're in agreement on that, then he has to be allowed to put them right.

So what is it? Is McCabe at fault for not throwing money at us and ignoring the consequences, or at fault for trying to balance the books when we're in a game when that shouldn't apply?

UTB

 

[metalblade]

The reason your views have been challenged is because they are the exact opposite of what you're saying here.

When we sold Matt Lowton to help balance the books, you were extremely critical.

If you make a point that we're in a mess because of McCabe's mistakes then contrary to what you keep saying, a large majority agree. But if we're in agreement on that, then he has to be allowed to put them right.

So what is it? Is McCabe at fault for not throwing money at us and ignoring the consequences, or at fault for trying to balance the books when we're in a game when that shouldn't apply?

UTB

too right I was critical of the Lowton sale I'm quite sure we saved a fortune on his wages ......... NOT
tell me the point of bringing in players but at the same time saying we will listen to offers for Doyle and Collins as well as the really high earners because we are still over the wage budget, might as well have thrown in all the young players who will be on very low wages. I suspect McMahon and Blackman are on more than Lowton was on otherwise they may have chose to go to Championship teams who were interested.

 

[stannyblade]

. I suspect McMahon and Blackman are on more than Lowton was on otherwise they may have chose to go to Championship teams who were interested.

So we sell a player that wants to better himself, bring in a good replacement on maybe a bit more money on a free and thats bad business? Cant see it myself - Lowton was good at league one and may make it in the premier league but he isnt anywhere near Kyle Walkers standards and never will be

 

[bartman]

Excellent post, but one of the scariest and saddest there's been in a long while. "We're over budget for the season" and it hasn't even started yet? Dear me, how can the manager make plans when any moment a bigger club such as...well.....such as just about anyone could come in and make a bid for our high earners and we'd be forced to take it.

McCabe keeps paying the bills to our suppliers but for how long? If we're looking to offload virtually anyone, and we're making redundancies then what's the point? Surely if all he's doing is "paying our suppliers" then there's no point in the club continuing. Sounds like the football side is bottom of the priority list here, and as we used to be known as Sheffield United FOOTBALL CLUB then like I say, what's the point, there simply is no future.

I know the usual suspects will have a pop at my negativity but for goodness sake take a look at the place, the bloke in charge has begun winding us up and all some of you can do is look forward to next season, tip us for promotion etc., keep your head buried in the sand and all the while the club is getting deeper in debt and closer to the end.

You're killing us Mr McCabe, some Blade you are.

I think McCabe has finally made the football club his priority from a business perspective...probabl;y about 5 years too late. I think he was arrogant/foolish/naive (delete as appropriate) to think that he could just throw money at the club and we would automatically get back to the Premiership. If he was as prudent before he brought Robson in as he appears to be now (i.e. the way West Brom operate) we wouldn't be in this mess .

The fact the suppliers and other bills are being paid is a good sign. He has allowed DW to bring players in before releasing players but as DW now states,the wage bill has to come down quickly or no other players will come in. I would have thought that anyone who is on appearance money for being in the match day squad (Monty and Cresswell ?)may not be selected if they are just going to be on the bench and will probably not play .

Transfer fees aren't really the issue at the moment it is the wages. It wouldn't surprise me,in my opinion,if Quinn,Monty and Cresswell were allowed to leave on free transfers provided someone picks up 100% of the wage bill. Logic would suggest that McMahon and Blackman were brought in as Williamson had not signed so I would hav e thought the chance of Willo coming back after his month at Portsmouth are very low to say the least.

I don't agree with your point about McCabe 'winding us up' indeed I think that is far from the truth. There is no reason for him to do this now (it would appear) he has control of our major asset and his debts are covered. The only danger of administration would be if the bills weren't being paid which is not the case.The only concern I have is that if McCabe decides not to put any more money in,who will step in. I believe this cost cutting is the only way McCabe has of ensuring he will no longer have to put money into the club after this season ends.

My major concern remains....how does McCabe intend to get his money back...if that is his intention ?

 

[bartman]

too right I was critical of the Lowton sale I'm quite sure we saved a fortune on his wages ......... NOT
tell me the point of bringing in players but at the same time saying we will listen to offers for Doyle and Collins as well as the really high earners because we are still over the wage budget, might as well have thrown in all the young players who will be on very low wages. I suspect McMahon and Blackman are on more than Lowton was on otherwise they may have chose to go to Championship teams who were interested.

In Blackman's case,I can't see him being on that much.. Steve Evans at Rotherham thought he was going there at one stage.

McMahon's wage will be less than Willo was on last season and maybe we have used up the wage we offered Willo to bring him in ?

As for Lowton,I don't think we could afford to turn down the fee. Hardly any TV money,sponsership income reduced and an expensive ground to maintain.Also,can you expect a player of a League 1 cloub to stand in the way of a 23 year old from playing in the top division on wages probably 5 times more than what we are paying . If we did,do you think Lowton would have given 100% to the cause ?

 

[alcoblade]

too right I was critical of the Lowton sale I'm quite sure we saved a fortune on his wages ......... NOT
tell me the point of bringing in players but at the same time saying we will listen to offers for Doyle and Collins as well as the really high earners because we are still over the wage budget, might as well have thrown in all the young players who will be on very low wages. I suspect McMahon and Blackman are on more than Lowton was on otherwise they may have chose to go to Championship teams who were interested.

I don't know why I bothered, another reply that proves you're just incapable of debate.

We didn't sell Lowton because of his wages. We sold him for the £1.5M to £3M that we were paid because current outgoings exceed incomings. Why are you incapable of grasping the most very basic things like this?

UTB