Tony Tony Currie.............

[metalblade]

Tarquin you still don't get it, a re-financing package and coverting some of the debt to equity don't really make the sum of £57million owing suddenly go away it just changes who we owe it to. We can't pay debts by taking another loan from Santander, we can't keep borrowing to pay existing debt. Maybe it would be cheaper if we could, at least the interest would not be 4% over the bank rate. Read the bit that outlines how every year we owe £3.4M in interest alone due to McCabe's borrowings and money juggling. Read the comments after the blog apparently Scarborough Holdings who now own Bramall Lane and the Academy are themselves £100m in debt, where will we be if they go under ?

 

[TarquinDelouche]

Tarquin you still don't get it, a re-financing package and coverting some of the debt to equity don't really make the sum of £57million owing suddenly go away it just changes who we owe it to. We can't pay debts by taking another loan from Santander, we can't keep borrowing to pay existing debt. Maybe it would be cheaper if we could, at least the interest would not be 4% over the bank rate. Read the bit that outlines how every year we owe £3.4M in interest alone due to McCabe's borrowings and money juggling. Read the comments after the blog apparently Scarborough Holdings who now own Bramall Lane and the Academy are themselves £100m in debt, where will we be if they go under ?

Guys, I was wrong on the £50m figure I quoted earlier. Sorry about that.

 

[metalblade]

Yes the figure should have read £57m er sorry. Clutching at straws aren't you Tarquin you read that blog but yet are still in denial
Whether the debt is £50M or £57m or after juggling the figures £32M it is still an amount that makes what a club not so far away owed look positively manageable by comparison and how we laughed at them. We lost more than their entire debt in just 2 years ............... kinda puts it in perspective

 

[TarquinDelouche]

The point is, you've been getting angry because people have dared to point out that it's not as bad as what you claim. Then when you are given the figures to prove that you are incorrect, you come on as if you've been vilified. Then you get into another set of figures with another company that you don't know anything about. "Apparently" they're in debt by £100m!!!! I READ IT IN SOME COMMENTS ONLINE!!!

You move from one credit crisis to the next when really it's YOU that has no credit.

 

[beightonblade]

Oh dear ........................................
I'm afraid with some the penny will NEVER drop with McCabe, the de-listing,loans and the freehold all predictable. Who can blame him ? he's protecting himself.

 

[alcoblade]

Yes the figure should have read £57m er sorry. Clutching at straws aren't you Tarquin you read that blog but yet are still in denial
Whether the debt is £50M or £57m or after juggling the figures £32M it is still an amount that makes what a club not so far away owed look positively manageable by comparison and how we laughed at them. We lost more than their entire debt in just 2 years ............... kinda puts it in perspective

A debt for equity swap is..........a debt for equty swap. It's not juggling or playing with figures, it's just what it says it is. Overall, it's very good thing, simple as that.

It doesn't alter the fact that we're in a mess, and McCabe got us there. But it's not the mess you're suggesting. It's academic IMHO, because it's debt to McCabe with no prospect of return.

What's more important is getting the current wage bill under control. This will mean that ongoing sales to stem further losses (that McCabe will no longer fund) are not inevitable, and we can start to build. Sadly, this only comes within our grasp next season.

UTB

 

[metalblade]

The point is, you've been getting angry because people have dared to point out that it's not as bad as what you claim. Then when you are given the figures to prove that you are incorrect, you come on as if you've been vilified. Then you get into another set of figures with another company that you don't know anything about. "Apparently" they're in debt by £100m!!!! I READ IT IN SOME COMMENTS ONLINE!!!

You move from one credit crisis to the next when really it's YOU that has no credit.

Tarquin again do not flatter yourself with the notion that you get me angry, you don't. I suggest it is you who is the one getting angry resorting to the use of CAPITALS all on top of your outburst the other day wishing anyone who didn't subscribe to your viewpoint would stop posting or if that failed a forum clearout of so called pissy whiners. You really need to get a grip son and realise people have different views to yours and are entitled to air them. I did say I was walking away from this tread when you somehow brought Nazi's and North Koreans into the argument and still you can't have a reasonable debate. You put a link up to a blog which shows clearly mistakes and more mistakes by McCabe yet you are still in denial that he has got us in a hell of a mess and even put the club itself in danger, preferring to argue that I am a few million out in a figure I posted. Bottom line is whether £50m or £57m we are in deep shit.

Not only is SUFC close to bankrupt, so are your pathetic arguments.

 

[Princess Annes Dog]

Metal, haven't you learned by now? Don't get involved in an argument with Tarquers because you can't win. You can't win because he's never wrong, he's never right either mind but that's because he never actually says anything of note. He's the sites shit stirrer, you know the type, a wee bit petty and a little bit of a know it all......but he never actually says anything other than a few snippy little digs intended to cause trouble. Forget him my friend, he really isn't worth getting het up about.

 

[TarquinDelouche]

Oh dear...

Tarquin again do not flatter yourself with the notion that you get me angry, you don't. I suggest it is you who is the one getting angry resorting to the use of CAPITALS

The use of capitals was supposed to represent you and your argument frantically switching tack to another misguided point of view. But well done on your interpretation that I'd suddenly gone mad and tried to argue your side for a second.

all on top of your outburst

"outburst"??

the other day wishing anyone who didn't subscribe to your viewpoint would stop posting or if that failed a forum clearout of so called pissy whiners.

aaahhhh... when I asked if you were going to stand good to your word? That "outburst". Riiiight.

You really need to get a grip son and realise people have different views to yours and are entitled to air them.

I realise this. WB and I have many different points of view, and we discuss them in a civilised way. I put it to you that you need to stop trying to patronise people who subscribe to a different view.

I did say I was walking away from this tread

You did. And you're still here.

You put a link up to a blog which shows clearly mistakes and more mistakes by McCabe yet you are still in denial that he has got us in a hell of a mess

Nope. I never said we are not in trouble. Again, show me the point where I or anybody else says everything is rosy. I've asked for one example from you and you cannot give it. Because nobody did.

preferring to argue that I am a few million out in a figure I posted. Bottom line is whether £50m or £57m we are in deep shit.

Why do you stick with an out of date number? We're not £50m OR £57m in debt, the data CLEARLY showed you it's £32m. Did you not read it? Why are you clinging to the hope that we did not?

Not only is SUFC close to bankrupt, so are your pathetic arguments.

So are you going to continue with your "Scarborough Partnership Limited £100m in debt" argument or are you going to let that slip? Do you have any out-of-date stats for them too or are you going to hope we forget about it?

 

[TarquinDelouche]

Metal, blah blah blah...

You can't win because he's never wrong,

You flatter me.

he never actually says anything of note.

You mean he refuses to say anything he doesn't know to be true.

a little bit of a know it all......

again, sarcasm about my intellect. It must really get to you. Do you feel inferior to me? I had no intention of making you feel small.

but he never actually says anything other than a few snippy little digs intended to cause trouble.

Are there two TarquinDelouches posting here?

Forget him my friend, he really isn't worth getting het up about.

So then I'm not worth telling people not to get het up about either? I'm worth insulting? Where do I stand in your worthiness ranking? I'm desperate to know.

 

[shorehamview]

You really are pleasant aren't you.

He's a morning person. I'm not apparently. He showed how nice a morning person he is by calling me a "fucking arsehole" and a "pompous twat". That's how nice he is.

Anyway.....

 

[metalblade]

Metal, haven't you learned by now? Don't get involved in an argument with Tarquers because you can't win. You can't win because he's never wrong, he's never right either mind but that's because he never actually says anything of note. He's the sites shit stirrer, you know the type, a wee bit petty and a little bit of a know it all......but he never actually says anything other than a few snippy little digs intended to cause trouble. Forget him my friend, he really isn't worth getting het up about.

PAD yeah I have noticed there are a few of the same breed to be found around here, you know the ones that post one line and think they are razor sharp or the ones that blather on and on and on until the opposing viewpoint gets swamped and lost in a sea of bullshit. Usually they are quick to call you a pig or ask how often you go to games or start a biggest blade pissing contest, but Tarquers has taken this thread to a whole new level ...............
stop posting ......
forum clearouts...........
Nazi's.............
North Korean's............
the guy gets more ridiculous with each post, even posting a link to a blog that destroys any of his arguments in fine style just so he can pull a sentence out to show the debt could be £32m rather than £50m or £57m or £46m as if it makes a great deal of difference............... nine pages of crap because he spit the dummy out with one of your posts.

 

[ChrisBlade]

Nice little sup-plot developing here. Metalblade on 988 posts, Tarquers on 966 in the race to hit a ton. However, Tarquers up on the "likes"-count which migtht need to be factored into any statistical forum "medaling"...

I still remember the old SUISA page where significant overall post targets resulted in choreographed precision hitting of the reload tab by all forum users...

 

[TarquinDelouche]

PAD yeah I have noticed there are a few of the same breed to be found around here, you know the ones that post one line and think they are razor sharp or the ones that blather on and on and on until the opposing viewpoint gets swamped and lost in a sea of bullshit. Usually they are quick to call you a pig or ask how often you go to games or start a biggest blade pissing contest, but Tarquers has taken this thread to a whole new level ...............
stop posting ......
forum clearouts...........
Nazi's.............
North Korean's............
the guy gets more ridiculous with each post, even posting a link to a blog that destroys any of his arguments in fine style just so he can pull a sentence out to show the debt could be £32m rather than £50m or £57m or £46m as if it makes a great deal of difference............... nine pages of crap because he spit the dummy out with one of your posts.

You're still posting in a thread you've promised to stop posting in, on a forum you've suggested you're going to stop visiting, because you've finished with the football club it's about. This is why we have nine pages of crap.

 

[metalblade]

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[Kenilworth]

To be quite honest TarquinDelouche posts some decent stuff and what he's said on this thread is perfectly credible.

Please take your own advice and discuss the topic.

..... and his shit is really lucky (except at the end of the season - I think some of the luck had rubbed off by then)

 

[SwissBlade]

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Ah the good old mature debating technique.

Has this summer really been so bad that we can't even have a decent debate without resorting to name calling or childish responses.

God knows why I've followed this thread for 9 pages!

 

[TarquinDelouche]

..... and his shit is really lucky (except at the end of the season - I think some of the luck had rubbed off by then)

I do have lucky shit.

 

[metalblade]

Ah the good old mature debating technique.

Has this summer really been so bad that we can't even have a decent debate without resorting to name calling or childish responses.

God knows why I've followed this thread for 9 pages!

Glad you like it, if it is so boring you could take up bogie flicking or something...... better than posting a few lines and thinking how smart you are.

 

[SwissBlade]

Glad you like it, if it is so boring you could take up bogie flicking or something...... better than posting a few lines and thinking how smart you are.

On the contrary, I would just prefer people to try and post sensibly so that we can have decent discussions, that’s what this Forum has always been about and I’m not aware that this has changed. Clearly this is a very alien concept to yourself.

As for posting a few lines and thinking how smart I am, please don’t categorise everyone in the same way as yourself.

 

[TarquinDelouche]

Glad you like it, if it is so boring you could take up bogie flicking or something...... better than posting a few lines and thinking how smart you are.

Questioning everybody's intellect does not make you smarter than them.

 

[metalblade]

On the contrary, I would just prefer people to try and post sensibly so that we can have decent discussions, that’s what this Forum has always been about and I’m not aware that this has changed. Clearly this is a very alien concept to yourself.

As for posting a few lines and thinking how smart I am, please don’t categorise everyone in the same way as yourself.

I have not put you in any category but if the cap fits and you want to wear it ..................... now what would you like to discuss North Korea or Nazi's ? maybe forum clearouts of posters who don't conform to a certain viewpoint or maybe cliques on message boards take your pick because certainly some spout that bullshit until the original subject is long forgotten.

 

[beightonblade]

Well we know the Blades are in a financial mess, but what about McCabe/Scarborough e.t.c. ?

Ill do a bit of digging.

 

[sheffielder]

I jus

I have not put you in any category but if the cap fits and you want to wear it ..................... now what would you like to discuss North Korea or Nazi's ? maybe forum clearouts of posters who don't conform to a certain viewpoint or maybe cliques on message boards take your pick because certainly some spout that bullshit until the original subject is long forgotten.

I really have no words to describe how childish and thick you are

 

[TarquinDelouche]

I have not put you in any category but if the cap fits and you want to wear it ..................... now what would you like to discuss North Korea or Nazi's ?

You know why I brought that up? They were used in sarcastic imitation of the road your argument was heading. Though I can understand how that could be lost on you.

Ironically, I doubt that it needed clearing up for anybody else but I'm sure you still won't grasp it and - as you have done so repeatedly on my every explanation of the most elementary point of my arguments thus far - continue to repeat and show your inability to deal with basic statements that (again, ironically) go against your point of view.

 

[sheffielder]

Well we know the Blades are in a financial mess, but what about McCabe/Scarborough e.t.c. ?

Ill do a bit of digging.

PLC made 18 million to February this year I believe

 

[Highbury_Blade]

I jus

I really have no words to describe how childish and thick you are

Childish and thick should do it

 

[Pinchy]

Childish and thick should do it

How about juvenile and dense?

 

[metalblade]

Looks like all the buddies are coming out of the woodwork today............... I do like your ideas of a reasonable and mature debate, have a group hug and calm down petals.

 

[metalblade]

Childish, thick, dense you guys are the ones showing all those traits. Take a look at yourselves.