Hecky out

[Toronto Blade]

That loud home crowd got us the point.

 

[Dickens67]

I think you find, you need to grow up and stop abusing people who want to get Hecky our and see reason.

 

[Toronto Blade]

Was ot heckys fault our keeper made a massive fuck up for the first goal ?

Grow up

Keeper made that up by saving a point with the penalty save. Pukki took an awful penalty but Davies went the right way for the point. Two desperate sides each won a half a good game for a neutral.

 

[Superblades]

Keeper made that up by saving a point with the penalty save. Pukki took an awful penalty but Davies went the right way for the point. Two desperate sides each won a half a good game for a neutral.

Also worth pointing out his save in the first half to stop it going 3-0. Their first goal was painful to watch tho.

 

[adiosmiamigo]

Also worth pointing out his save in the first half to stop it going 3-0. Their first goal was painful to watch tho.

We have all the makings of a mid table side,anyone who thinks this current side will be a promotion team would probably want Boris the twat to be Prime Conservative Arseole.

 

[JJ Sefton]

 

[bladesadviser]

This thread has a huge smell of pork

 

[Sneinton Blade 1952]

Also worth pointing out his save in the first half to stop it going 3-0. Their first goal was painful to watch tho.

That first Norwich goal was painful to watch. But other than that, Davies played very well and I feel confident in him. Hopefully, he'll make the Welsh worldcup squad. Watching MOTD this weekend, several premier league goalkeepers made poor clearances similar to Davies', so he shouldn't feel too down hearted.

 

[Charlieblade]

PH has risked key players starting. Berge, NcBurnie, Ndiaye, Egan, RND. Fans complain.

PH rests players, McBurnie, Ndiaye and fans complain. Let him manage the risk. That’s his job.

I am a big supporter of PH, but even I sometimes question his decisions. We all do it. It’s part of the fan experience.

 

[Linz]

We have received reports about the... robustness of the discussion in this thread.

As ever, this is a forum set up for the frank but fair exchange of views. We're happy for most things to stand, except personal abuse.

If you cannot handle your statements of fact being called out as an opinion, or if you do not wish to actually discuss your views but broadcast them to universal acclaim, a personal blog that you can censor to your heart's content might be more up your street. It is not our job as admins to prevent people from having an opposing opinion.

I've seen nothing that requires our intervention but I will remind you all to play the ball, not the man.

As you were.

 

[Tom Bott]

Also worth pointing out his save in the first half to stop it going 3-0. Their first goal was painful to watch tho.

But if Hecky hadn't started Osborne and Sharp then that first goal wouldn't have happened.



Apparently.

 

[mattbianco1]

2nd going into the World Cup. Hecky OUT !

 

[don240]

2nd going into the World Cup. Hecky OUT !

We’d be top if we hadn’t capitulated to Toytown.
Hecky out.
Board out.
Shoes off.
Etc. Etc.
Roll on the glorious 10th of December…..

 

[Dkc]

PH has done a fantastic job since people were calling for his head, and he's proved the doubters wrong. But, if we get promoted, would he be the best man to manage us into the PL?

Football is an unsentimental business. If we got promoted, I wonder if the new owner might consider replacing him with someone who has managed in the PL before and done well. There are plenty of out-of-work managers who have decent records in the PL. If, say, Potter was available I could see some logic in replacing PH.

The downside would be the disruption It would cause to the squad and probably the fans. If it went tits up, the decision to replace the manager would be seen as a poor one.

Certainly not calling for Hecky's head - but wondering if it could be something a new owner might consider.

 

[BettingBlade]

PH has done a fantastic job since people were calling for his head, and he's proved the doubters wrong. But, if we get promoted, would he be the best man to manage us into the PL?

Football is an unsentimental business. If we got promoted, I wonder if the new owner might consider replacing him with someone who has managed in the PL before and done well. There are plenty of out-of-work managers who have decent records in the PL. If, say, Potter was available I could see some logic in replacing PH.

The downside would be the disruption It would cause to the squad and probably the fans. If it went tits up, the decision to replace the manager would be seen as a poor one.

Certainly not calling for Hecky's head - but wondering if it could be something a new owner might consider.

To my mind, I think you have to give the guy who gets us up a shot at the Premier League. I know it was slightly different under Wilder but he hadnt managed up there either and we had a great first season. Unfortunately though, we know what happened after that.

I also think theres a financial aspect to look at as well. You’d have to pay Hecky up as surely he wouldnt go back into a coaching role if he was replaced. Whoever the new man is, would likely be a more expensive appointment. The thing above all else though is that a change of manager would absolutely not guarantee success either, its not beyond the realms of possibility that you’d end up having to replace the new man also.

Hecky’s recruitment has been good too imo, I’d trust him with the funds to bring the right players in based on the signings hes made this season. It’s kind of a shot to nothing for us next season if we go up really. We have players to build around who have experience of the Prem and others who are ready to make the step up.

 

[Jon.lad]

You’re right, we should go with a tried and tested option like Slaviša Jokanović

 

[Blade56]

Hecky on a 5 year contract was a good move to assure him if we get promoted the owners can give him a good pay off for a job very well done and he has done a good job.
Like Wilder I don’t see him as a successful PL manager though so fill his pockets and and say thank you. We need proven ability at this level (Potter possible Dyche or a Johnny Foreigner) springs to mind. The likes of Liverpool, Swansea and Genk had Wilders trousers down, admitted his wheelbarrow of money had to buy a few players but it was still £110m!


nb can we still say Jonny foreigner without being arrested or cancelled?

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

The ideal for me would be to replace him and let him move back to the U23 job he was happy with, on his current contract, and let him stay as long as he wants

New ownership would provide the acceptable pretext to justify the contentious act of replacing a manager who's just got you promoted

There would be nothing but a positive legacy for PH this way too. Going out on top. No tarnishing

Long way to go to get there yet though

 

[robbiez666]

Given we're only likely to stay in the EPL for one season (or two at a fluke) I think it would be bonkers to bring another manager in given what happened last time with spending on players. I'd have more confidence in PH to be able to bring in players who would fit into the way we play than random foreign manager who would likely get us relegated anyway.

 

[pommpey]

I say keep him, Jack and SMcC. However a decent transfer out and in policy is needed and we don't want a return to the 'pools winner' approach that Wilder had which lumbered us with some absolute dogshit players.

Given proven PL capability and some astute replacements we could do well for ourselves and secure at least more than a decent season and a disastrous one ending in a humiliating relegation.

pommpey

 

[CPB]

Firstly we need to achieve promotion first for this hypothetical which we haven't done yet.

But if Heckingbottom gets us up, he deserves a crack at it and you assess how we are doing after 10-12 matches etc.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

If he was to stay I'd like us to do as much as possible to compensate, starting with the training ground, then also adding to the coaching staff and scouting capabilities

It's probably the most likely and reasonable compromise

 

[Torrix1889]

Stating the obvious I know but promoted or not Hecky's future is in the hands of the (potential) new owner.....he will live or die by results and wont have the security he has enjoyed under the Prince.

If the new owners want to bring in their own man they will....hopefully we don't end up like a Watford with a new man at the helm every 6 months.

 

[CrookesBlade]

The bizarre post Warnock hindsight theory again. Has a manager ever been sacked on promotion?

Also how do you become a “Premier League manager” unless somebody lets you manage in the Premier League? There are plenty of “premier league managers” (Bruce, Pardew, Pulis) who’ve been failures in the end. Even Bryan Robson was a “Premier League Manager”.

Alternatively we could get a foreign manager in just for the sake of it who will have just as much Premier League experience as Heckingbottom.

Football is a meritocracy as Heckingbottom and the coaching staff will have earned a crack at that league should they take us up. It’s beyond me why some of our fans have turned on him.

 

[nopigfansintown]

It boils down to £$ like everything else. If you have a competitive budget which would mean £100 million + on transfers and a wage bill of 100-150 millio -n do you trust a rookie with the moolah if you're the owner? If you don't (see the Wilder, Warnock Bassett Prem years) why rock the boat? Football is like any other business. If you have the wealth it's safer tto employ the so called best in class and delegate to their proven expertise. We all know it often doesn't work but the logic is ineluctable.

 

[Charlieblade]

PH deserves the chance. He needs to prove himself all over again, but he will inevitably be judged against Wilder. Against Jokanovic, he is already ahead. Whatever PH says about taking things one game at a time, he must have had thoughts about the EPL.
He gets a crack at it if we get a new owner or not. The Prince would surely back him! The new owner, if there is one, might have other ideas.
I expect a few marquee signings, and probably a few out of left field, like Ahmedhodzic, who ever ends up as manager or new owner.
Otherwise we take the same risk as Forest and get relegated for it.

Even though I quite like Moyes, it would be very nice to wave at West Ham as we swap divisions.

 

[Dkc]

We've been promoted to the PL three times. Each time we've stuck with the manager that got us promoted, as almost every club does. Each time we've failed to establish ourselves in the PL. The best we managed was three seasons under Bassett. But then again, we probably had the lowest wage bill in the PL in every season we've spent in it.

I'm sure PH will not be replaced if we get promoted, but I'm pretty sure he will be gone if we're adrift at the bottom in November.

Personally I wouldn't replace him in the summer, even if we fail to go up. I think he's well-liked and is doing a good job in less than ideal circumstances

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

Another thing we'd have to do to give him a better chance is bite the bullet and increase what we're willing to pay in agent fees and wages

 

[TCsLoveChild]

Hecky on a 5 year contract was a good move to assure him if we get promoted the owners can give him a good pay off for a job very well done and he has done a good job.
Like Wilder I don’t see him as a successful PL manager though so fill his pockets and and say thank you. We need proven ability at this level (Potter possible Dyche or a Johnny Foreigner) springs to mind. The likes of Liverpool, Swansea and Genk had Wilders trousers down, admitted his wheelbarrow of money had to buy a few players but it was still £110m!


nb can we still say Jonny foreigner without being arrested or cancelled?

I've just checked and apparently the answer is no, your cancellation is in the post and PC Woke will be round later to lecture you on hate speech. UTB

 

[gavtheblade]

If we do manage promotion this season, then he deserves his crack in the big time.
I'm a big believer in that the removal of managers on a constant basis doesn't necessarily make things better unless you fall lucky and the match fits.
The only thing I think we would benefit from would be a director of football behind the scenes to negotiate between the owners and persuade the purse strings to be loosened as we would need significant investment on the pitch to be able to compete.