Lowton

[Rodley]

What would you value him at?

Must be £2m plus at least?

 

[gavtheblade]

What would you value him at?

Must be £2m plus at least?

that means we`ll take owt under 750k.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Really? 500k tops. He's got potential but no club in the championship could afford 2m for him, and no club in the premier league would buy a defensively suspect 23 yr old right back from league 1

 

[WYorksblade]

if we sell hime, we'll get bent over backwards as we always seem to do!
always amazes me how similar clubs command decent fees for players yet the blades seem to get shafted

 

[Kev Gee]

Hes young, has potential and can be coached to improve his defensive side. Or just be played as an out & out wide man. I think £2M is conservative. £3M with sell ons IMO.

We should not be looking to sell at all.

If need be get rid of the players still sucking huge lumps out of our wages. Monty, Cresswell etc.

 

[Rodley]

Really? 500k tops. He's got potential but no club in the championship could afford 2m for him, and no club in the premier league would buy a defensively suspect 23 yr old right back from league 1

He's worth whatever we are prepared to sell him for - 2 million, and no less.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

He's worth whatever we are prepared to sell him for - 2 million, and no less.

Wrong. He's worth whatever somebody elese is prepared to buy him for. That's what 'value' is, a measure of how much the market is willing to pay.

I'll give £20 to the forum if he goes before the end of August for more than 750k.

 

[broomhillblade]

if we sell hime, we'll get bent over backwards as we always seem to do!
always amazes me how similar clubs command decent fees for players yet the blades seem to get shafted

That simply isn't true.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Hes young, has potential and can be coached to improve his defensive side. Or just be played as an out & out wide man. I think £2M is conservative. £3M with sell ons IMO.

We should not be looking to sell at all.

If need be get rid of the players still sucking huge lumps out of our wages. Monty, Cresswell etc.

I don't think we should be looking to sell him either. I just don't think we'd get 2-3m for him. We might think he's worth that , but i highly doubt that that's what the market will value him at.

What clubs do you think would be interested in buying him at 3m?

 

[Darren]

Wrong. He's worth whatever somebody elese is prepared to buy him for. That's what 'value' is, a measure of how much the market is willing to pay.

I'll give £20 to the forum if he goes before the end of August for more than 750k.

I agree. It's a mystery for me why everyone things Lowton is so great. As I mentioned elsewhere, I don't think it's a conindence that he only got a look in with United in 2010 at the age of 21 when we turned crap. He is probably a reasonable lower 2nd tier/top 3rd tier player but no more than that and is certainly not worth £2M.

 

[Rodley]

I don't think we should be looking to sell him either. I just don't think we'd get 2-3m for him. We might think he's worth that , but i highly doubt that that's what the market will value him at.

What clubs do you think would be interested in buying him at 3m?

Because football is a perfect example of 'the market'?

 

[raul]

1 x Pre.Season.Friendly.

 

[INTAKE BLADE]

Probably get 300/400k if were lucky, myself i would keep him, hoping he gets better defence wise.

 

[Wards]

Probably 700k-ish.

Not great defensively but potential to be a decent champ level player. When you consider we sold Kyle Walker for little over £2million then it puts it into perspective.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Because football is a perfect example of 'the market'?

I'll repeat the question i made to Kev Gee.

What clubs do you think will pay 2m for him? Are there better players than Matt lowton available for less?

 

[Rodley]

It simple; do we want to sell him? If No, then someone will have to pay over the odds to have him.

If we're happy to let him go, we'll probably be mugged for 500k again.

I'm hoping the days of abysmal transfer negotiations are behind us!

 

[Highbury_Blade]

It simple; do we want to sell him? If No, then someone will have to pay over the odds to have him.

This works at the top end of the market. Not so much in Championship/league 1 where players of the standard of matt lowton aren't so scarce. We can stick a big valuation on him, to scare others off, doesn't mean that another club is willing to pay it, when they can go get a similar standard of player for less.

And i agree that we should put a pib price on his head to scare others off. But if we were to sell him, then i think it would be for no more than 500k.

 

[JohnDenver]

If we really need the money I can see him going for an intial £750k but the add-ons in the event of promotion / international recognition / second coming of Jesus etc will be eye watering....

 

[Rodley]

I'll repeat the question i made to Kev Gee.

What clubs do you think will pay 2m for him? Are there better players than Matt lowton available for less?

Which clubs is irrelevent and If there are better players then so be it, we're not actively looking to sell him presumably. If someone knocked on my door and offered me £5,000k for my car I'd tell them to fook off. If it was sat on a forecourt I'm sure the transaction would be more typical.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Which clubs is irrelevent and If there are better players then so be it, we're not actively looking to sell him presumably. If someone knocked on my door and offered me £5,000k for my car I'd tell them to fook off. If it was sat on a forecourt I'm sure the transaction would be more typical.

You said that he was valued at 2m. Value is a measure of how much the market is willing to pay, so therefore you must think that there are some clubs willing to pay that so no, it isn't irrelevant.

If you're original statement had been, "how much do you think we should price Lowton at to scare other clubs off - i think 2m" then that would make sense.

 

[Darren]

You said that he was valued at 2m. Value is a measure of how much the market is willing to pay, so therefore you must think that there are some clubs willing to pay that so no, it isn't irrelevant.

No it isn't, value is a measure of the socially necessary labour going into the making of Matt Lowton (Copyright K. Marx). You are talking about price

 

[Kenilworth]

Which clubs is irrelevent and If there are better players then so be it, we're not actively looking to sell him presumably. If someone knocked on my door and offered me £5,000k for my car I'd tell them to fook off. If it was sat on a forecourt I'm sure the transaction would be more typical.

I'd sell my car for £5,000k in a heartbeat


BTW there's talk of Quinn to Ipshize for £300k raising to £500k on appearances
I don't think Lowton will command a fee of anywhere near 7 figs.
More likely around 500-750k is my guess
He is a good player and could do well in the Champ but he is not another Kyle Walker

 

[Highbury_Blade]

No it isn't, value is a measure of the socially necessary labour going into the making of Matt Lowton (Copyright K. Marx). You are talking about price

No i'm not. Price is the measure of how much the seller thinks the object is worth. Value only = Price when the sellers and buyers opinions of the value are the same.

If you insist on bringing Marx into it, then i'm specifically talking about 'Exchange Value' ,but i think you can shove your dog-eared copy of Das kapital up your bum

 

[beightonblade]

sum of the figures we sell players for makes sum people thing sum fooker is getting a bung........ so they say

 

[metalblade]

at the figures we receive for players it is more of a give away than a sale

 

[grafikhaus]

No i'm not. Price is the measure of how much the seller thinks the object is worth. Value only = Price when the sellers and buyers opinions of the value are the same.

Unfortunately, the well-trodden disciplines of a normal market have ceased to apply to football. Not when 90% of transfers come under 'Undisclosed fee', not when certain managers get a cut of whatever transfer fee is agreed. Not when (a) certain manager tips the wink to his star player who is on the point of signing that 'it may be wise to hold fire' and I'll take you to Liverpool. Oops!

 

[Highbury_Blade]

What Championship clubs could afford to spend 2m on a right back of any age or quality?

What premier league clubs would spend 2m on a defensively suspect 23 yr old right back?


Answers please.

 

[Darren]

No i'm not. Price is the measure of how much the seller thinks the object is worth. Value only = Price when the sellers and buyers opinions of the value are the same.

If you insist on bringing Marx into it, then i'm specifically talking about 'Exchange Value' ,but i think you can shove your dog-eared copy of Das kapital up your bum

Value, for Marx, is a metaphysical concept and is a constant (whether exchange value or use value). Price fluctuates around value due to the exigencies of supply and demand.

So there....

 

[Sheff de party]

i dont go every week, but i honestly think he's got a lot of potential. he's defensively suspect because he doesnt have to work quite as hard at this level to succeed. but he scores a fair few for a full back and his speed of thought is really quick i think.

id suggest with better coaching and playing against better players, he would be better. that said, with 2 years left on his deal i dont see us getting 2m for him. i reckon 1m tops given public knowledge of our finances and the player's probable ambition. cant see a premier league team coming in for him and we'd be lucky to even get 1m from the league above.

 

[Rodley]

You said that he was valued at 2m. Value is a measure of how much the market is willing to pay, so therefore you must think that there are some clubs willing to pay that so no, it isn't irrelevant.

If you're original statement had been, "how much do you think we should price Lowton at to scare other clubs off - i think 2m" then that would make sense.

You said that he was valued at 2m. Value is a measure of how much the market is willing to pay, so therefore you must think that there are some clubs willing to pay that so no, it isn't irrelevant.

My question was what would YOU value Lowton at. I'd value him at 2 million,