Injuries

[AnstonBlade1]

All these injuries have got to be more than just bad luck, you don’t get this many injuries through bad luck. Literally losing 3 players a game.
For these next four weeks they need to either go and sit in sun for a few weeks or not leave house.

 

[Rudders]

Tony Adams had to pull out of the dance off in Strictly last night with what looked like a hamstring problem. Didn't realise Hecky ran a dance school.

Shirecliffe sniper didn't like his foxtrot. Put him out of his misery.

 

[Revolution]

- - - - - - -Foderingham - - - - -

- - - -Anel - - Egan - - RND - - -

Bogle - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lowe

- - - - - - - Norwood - - - - - - -

- - - - -Berge - - - Doyle - - - - -

- - - - - - Ndiaye - - McB - - - - -

Will we ever get to see this line up?

Of course not.

 

[CrookesBlade]

Don't ever remember counting 13 injuries every other week?

No, but that wasn't what I said. I was challenging the point that we weren't affected by injuries up until last season.

Wilder had a good run 2016-2020 with very few injuries and no key players out long term that I can think of. 2020/21 we started struggling and its gone downhill from there.

JOC, Berge, Brewster, Bogle, McBurnie, Mousset were all long term as I recall and round Xmas time we were naming 3/4 academy kids on the bench.

 

[Revolution]

No, but that wasn't what I said. I was challenging the point that we weren't affected by injuries up until last season.

Wilder had a good run 2016-2020 with very few injuries and no key players out long term that I can think of. 2020/21 we started struggling and its gone downhill from there.

JOC, Berge, Brewster, Bogle, McBurnie, Mousset were all long term as I recall and round Xmas time we were naming 3/4 academy kids on the bench.

It started when Berge got injured v Man U. Before that we had the odd one but O’Connell was the only long term absentee.

 

[jt64]

Has anyone looked at any other teams and checked to see how many players they have out injured?

 

[Torrix1889]

No, but that wasn't what I said. I was challenging the point that we weren't affected by injuries up until last season.

Wilder had a good run 2016-2020 with very few injuries and no key players out long term that I can think of. 2020/21 we started struggling and its gone downhill from there.

JOC, Berge, Brewster, Bogle, McBurnie, Mousset were all long term as I recall and round Xmas time we were naming 3/4 academy kids on the bench.

Bogle wasn't injured in the Prem because he hardly played as CW didn't fancy him, he wasn't out injured until Feb 2022, (under Hecky). Brewster wasn't out injured until he did his Hammy against Posh in Jan 2022, (under Hecky) apart from a week or so with a bruised foot in November 2020. McB picked up his Metatarsal injury in April 2021, (under Hecky) more or less as the final Prem season was over and was back for the August start.

So JOC apart you have a point with Berge and for what he was worth, Moose. I think academy players on the bench was more down to CW playing games than injuries!

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Has anyone looked at any other teams and checked to see how many players they have out injured?

No, but Burnley for example always seem to have their best 11 out.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

No, but Burnley for example always seem to have their best 11 out.

Not quite. They've been missing Scott Twine, their big summer signing, for most of the season and I think Jay Rodriguez has missed lots too.
Nothing like our situation though.

I watch quite a bit of Championship football and I don't see anybody with anything like our issues. 'The Second Tier' podcast have previously commented on our poor conditioning and identified it as our only obstacle. They're as nerdy and clued up as it gets on this division.

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Not quite. They've been missing Scott Twine, their big summer signing, for most of the season and I think Jay Rodriguez has missed lots too.
Nothing like our situation though.

I watch quite a bit of Championship football and I don't see anybody with anything like our issues. 'The Second Tier' podcast have previously commented on our poor conditioning and identified it as our only obstacle.

I know Twine was a big signing but beginning of the season I noticed him on bench a few times. The defence and midfield is quite consistent.

 

[jt64]

No, but Burnley for example always seem to have their best 11 out.

Well that might be a thing to do rather than assuming that our situation is anything special. Rotherham I know were saying they had a shitload of players out, not that it made much of a difference against us.

 

[Torrix1889]

Well that might be a thing to do rather than assuming that our situation is anything special. Rotherham I know were saying they had a shitload of players out, not that it made much of a difference against us.

If you have a look at a few betting websites they give lists of injured players, most Championship teams have 3 or 4 listed.

 

[jt64]

If you have a look at a few betting websites they give lists of injured players, most Championship teams have 3 or 4 listed.

Pretty much zero point at looking at any of them now given they're trying to predict what the injury situation will be in over a month's time tbh

 

[Nightsweats]

We had an incredibly good run of injury free seasons under Wilder from the L1 promotion year, 2 seasons in the Champ and then the 2 years in the Prem, very few players were crocked long term, (other than JOC obviously) and I cannot remember any hamstrings going at all....

Was this

1 - luck?
2 - the training pitch? (was the same then as now),
3 - fewer games in the Prem?
4 - more physicality in the Championship?
5 - higher frequency of games this season cramming more in before the World Cup?
6 - different coaching/training tactics?
7 - different fitness, strength and conditioning coaches?

It can only be a combination of 6 & 7 surely? So the "blame" for these non-contact injuries can only fall with Hecky and his staff and it needs sorting.

Agree 1000%. Add a manager who is very abrasive when someone dares to ask about those two areas.
According to most on here though it's largely bad luck or something else but definately not anything to do with bad magement of injuries, training regimes,warming up,warming down. The basics basically.
Ultimately the catastrophic injury situation is the only thing that could stop this squad gaining automatic promotion.
I want to believe the majority of our walking wounded will be raring to rejoin the fray at the end of the thing in the stoneage place but will bet a shiny penny they won't, or will break down with a recurrence very soon after they do resume. Nothing that has happened this season should give anyone any reason to think differently.

 

[brownblade]

'The Second Tier' podcast have previously commented on our poor conditioning and identified it as our only obstacle. They're as nerdy and clued up as it gets on this division.

I genuinely think they're a couple of blaggers tbh. They tend to say obvious things/sweeping statements.

I do listen sometimes when I'm working, but they're a very poor man's Not The Top 20.

I'm fairly certain they'd have no clue about our conditioning/training methods.

 

[Bladesman]

George has been carrying someones hamstring?

Sounds like a bloodbath at Shirecliffe.

 

[BushBlade]

George has been carrying someones hamstring?

Sounds like a bloodbath at Shirecliffe.

He probably tried to strangle one of the Cardiff players with it.

 

[bertieblade]

Interesting that George has been playing with a hamstring problem and has made it through to the mid season break whilst Brewster, Lowe and RND have fallen foul of the same problem. All a bit of a mystery

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Just bad luck

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

The original reasons for how injuries began stockpiling could be unpicked or analysed, with hindsight.

That said, the problem now is as Yogi and a few others have said in shoutbox this morning, how we can't get people back quick enough as cover/depth because as they return, the person who has been playing goes down injured, and those who are probably needing easing in, are instead straight back into full appearances, and round and round we go.

Somehow, we've just managed to patch together some sort of a half decent side and some scrap of competitiveness. It's madness.

 

[VictoryBlade]

O'Connell
Robinson
Anel
Bogle
Lowe
RND
Fleck
Doyle
Couilbaly
Berge
Brewster
McBurnie
Jebbison

The magical 13. Who's making first game after WC then?

Non of them!

 

[VictoryBlade]

Its Heckys fault .....end of!

 

[Nightsweats]

Just bad luck

Yes. That'll be it. Just bad luck.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

McBurnie's had a successful op.

 

[TJ blade]

McBurnie's had a successful op.

Oh bugger... that's him done for months then!!

 

[A Storm of Blades]

McBurnie's had a successful op.

Unfortunately, it was to mistakenly remove a leg and have double F breast implants.

 

[S40BLADE]

Unfortunately, it was to mistakenly remove a leg and have double F breast implants.

I would

 

[wavy-blade]

 

[Charlieblade]

My hero worship of PH recognizes that as ‘Football Manager’ he must accept some responsibility for the shocking injury situation.
The hardest thing for him, will be to do nothing during the WC break. The last thing he will want is to be sat on his hands doing nothing.
The squad will all benefit from a good rest, and all PH can do is get a few returning players academy game time to get some match fitness after an injury lay off.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

I genuinely think they're a couple of blaggers tbh. They tend to say obvious things/sweeping statements.

I do listen sometimes when I'm working, but they're a very poor man's Not The Top 20.

I'm fairly certain they'd have no clue about our conditioning/training methods.

Repeated this evening.
Prefer NTT20, also.