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I keep hearing that we have the best squad in the league.

This seems to now be that our team should beat any other team.

When we were top of the league, many of our fans refused to credit the manager and just said "we have the best squad, we should be top of the league". Now we're on a bad run the manager apparently has to be sacked because "he did nothing to get us top of the league it was the squad".

It's 15 games in, we have 25 points and we're 4th (2 whole points off the top), and yet some fans want to change the manager.

but back to the squad. At the start of this season I thought we'd be either in the playoffs or just below. I get it, fans expectations change with form and we were exceeding my expectations. After a run of FIVE bad results, we're apparently relegation fodder. Maybe the reality is somewhere in-between?

Anyhow, the best squad in the league, a squad full of players who deserve to be playing in the EPL...

1. Foderingham - Had a great season last year but was our 2nd or 3rd choice when he signed on a free from Scotland
2. RND - He wasn't first choice LWB at the start of the season, for many. He's done really well at LCB and had a great run but its a quarter of a season
3. Bogle - Great talent, seems to be injured more than fit
4. Clark - who knows. Either a great player forced out by Newcastle money or a washed up has-been passed his best (according to Newcastle fans)
5. Egan - One day we shouldn't sell him for less that 15 million, the next he's a plodder who isn't good enough
6. Anel - Looks a talent. Only played like 10 games but looks very promising
7. Fleck - More Jimmy than John in recent seasons
8. Norwood - Wrong side of 30. Can dictate games, can go missing.
9. Berge - The greatest player in the league for some who every rarely plays like the best player in this team. Also, injured regularly.
10. Ndiaye - Quality. Still young and doesn't always make the right choices (and will improve with experience) but looks like our best player.
11. McBurnie - The bastard love child of a Wizard and old man Steptoe. Has a pedigree at this level but his time with us has not been a happy one
12. Davies - Decent reputation, not played that much recently
13. Basham - Apparently yesterday's man
14. Robinson - Another who seems to regularly be injured. Had a great spell last year but terrible before then
15. Baldock - Fairly reliable but with no end product
16. Lowe - Terrible for us, did well for Forest
17. Stevens - Injury prone and passed it
18. Osborn - Got an extra year to make up the numbers
19. Couilibally - Never played in English football.
20. McAtee - Hot talent at Man City but only played a handful of senior games
21. Khadra - Mixed reviews from Blackburn. Great on his day but goes missing otherwise
22. Sharp - Captain Billy, seems to have sadly come to be playing out his final year
23. Brewster - Cost 26 million and therefore a great player (who had one good half season at Swansea 3 years ago)
24. Jebbo - Had a good league 1 loan
25. Doyle - I knew I'd forget one. Did well for Cardiff last year without really catching the eye
26. Gordon - Looks out of his depth
27 - group of youth players who despite playing in the league 1 of the youth system are all better than what we have when we lose

Does that look like a great squad to you? Really?

It looks to me like a fairly average top half squad with a few bright sparks and a few players with a lot of potential who have yet to turn it consistently into ability.

It looks to me like a team in transition. From the players who took us up reaching the end of their careers and a youth team who aren't ready. Worryingly, with fewer players of our own every year.

Maybe, when we were top of the league that was a manager getting a team overperforming? Just maybe the manager deserves credit for that?

Maybe, now we're on this bad run it's a manager struggling to get an injury riddled team to perform?

Maybe, just maybe, managers should be judged over an extended period and not 5 games (or the 9 games before that)?
 

I keep hearing that we have the best squad in the league.

This seems to now be that our team should beat any other team.

When we were top of the league, many of our fans refused to credit the manager and just said "we have the best squad, we should be top of the league". Now we're on a bad run the manager apparently has to be sacked because "he did nothing to get us top of the league it was the squad".

It's 15 games in, we have 25 points and we're 4th (2 whole points off the top), and yet some fans want to change the manager.

but back to the squad. At the start of this season I thought we'd be either in the playoffs or just below. I get it, fans expectations change with form and we were exceeding my expectations. After a run of FIVE bad results, we're apparently relegation fodder. Maybe the reality is somewhere in-between?

Anyhow, the best squad in the league, a squad full of players who deserve to be playing in the EPL...

1. Foderingham - Had a great season last year but was our 2nd or 3rd choice when he signed on a free from Scotland
2. RND - He wasn't first choice LWB at the start of the season, for many. He's done really well at LCB and had a great run but its a quarter of a season
3. Bogle - Great talent, seems to be injured more than fit
4. Clark - who knows. Either a great player forced out by Newcastle money or a washed up has-been passed his best (according to Newcastle fans)
5. Egan - One day we shouldn't sell him for less that 15 million, the next he's a plodder who isn't good enough
6. Anel - Looks a talent. Only played like 10 games but looks very promising
7. Fleck - More Jimmy than John in recent seasons
8. Norwood - Wrong side of 30. Can dictate games, can go missing.
9. Berge - The greatest player in the league for some who every rarely plays like the best player in this team. Also, injured regularly.
10. Ndiaye - Quality. Still young and doesn't always make the right choices (and will improve with experience) but looks like our best player.
11. McBurnie - The bastard love child of a Wizard and old man Steptoe. Has a pedigree at this level but his time with us has not been a happy one
12. Davies - Decent reputation, not played that much recently
13. Basham - Apparently yesterday's man
14. Robinson - Another who seems to regularly be injured. Had a great spell last year but terrible before then
15. Baldock - Fairly reliable but with no end product
16. Lowe - Terrible for us, did well for Forest
17. Stevens - Injury prone and passed it
18. Osborn - Got an extra year to make up the numbers
19. Couilibally - Never played in English football.
20. McAtee - Hot talent at Man City but only played a handful of senior games
21. Khadra - Mixed reviews from Blackburn. Great on his day but goes missing otherwise
22. Sharp - Captain Billy, seems to have sadly come to be playing out his final year
23. Brewster - Cost 26 million and therefore a great player (who had one good half season at Swansea 3 years ago)
24. Jebbo - Had a good league 1 loan
25. Doyle - I knew I'd forget one. Did well for Cardiff last year without really catching the eye
26. Gordon - Looks out of his depth
27 - group of youth players who despite playing in the league 1 of the youth system are all better than what we have when we lose

Does that look like a great squad to you? Really?

It looks to me like a fairly average top half squad with a few bright sparks and a few players with a lot of potential who have yet to turn it consistently into ability.

It looks to me like a team in transition. From the players who took us up reaching the end of their careers and a youth team who aren't ready. Worryingly, with fewer players of our own every year.

Maybe, when we were top of the league that was a manager getting a team overperforming? Just maybe the manager deserves credit for that?

Maybe, now we're on this bad run it's a manager struggling to get an injury riddled team to perform?

Maybe, just maybe, managers should be judged over an extended period and not 5 games (or the 9 games before that)?
I've been hearing this 'best squad in the league' nonsense and was just thinking that every team we've played have players that would fit straight into our team and easily displace current players.
Yes we have got some good players, some who when not injured are top players. We've also got Berge, Ndiaye, Ahemhodzic, RND who are world class and won't be with us next season unless we get promoted.
But we're also carrying some rubbish, McBurnie, and quite a few past their sell by date; Billy, Basham, Egan, Stevens.
As for Norwood, far too inconsistent.
 
I keep hearing that we have the best squad in the league.

This seems to now be that our team should beat any other team.

When we were top of the league, many of our fans refused to credit the manager and just said "we have the best squad, we should be top of the league". Now we're on a bad run the manager apparently has to be sacked because "he did nothing to get us top of the league it was the squad".

It's 15 games in, we have 25 points and we're 4th (2 whole points off the top), and yet some fans want to change the manager.

but back to the squad. At the start of this season I thought we'd be either in the playoffs or just below. I get it, fans expectations change with form and we were exceeding my expectations. After a run of FIVE bad results, we're apparently relegation fodder. Maybe the reality is somewhere in-between?

Anyhow, the best squad in the league, a squad full of players who deserve to be playing in the EPL...

1. Foderingham - Had a great season last year but was our 2nd or 3rd choice when he signed on a free from Scotland
2. RND - He wasn't first choice LWB at the start of the season, for many. He's done really well at LCB and had a great run but its a quarter of a season
3. Bogle - Great talent, seems to be injured more than fit
4. Clark - who knows. Either a great player forced out by Newcastle money or a washed up has-been passed his best (according to Newcastle fans)
5. Egan - One day we shouldn't sell him for less that 15 million, the next he's a plodder who isn't good enough
6. Anel - Looks a talent. Only played like 10 games but looks very promising
7. Fleck - More Jimmy than John in recent seasons
8. Norwood - Wrong side of 30. Can dictate games, can go missing.
9. Berge - The greatest player in the league for some who every rarely plays like the best player in this team. Also, injured regularly.
10. Ndiaye - Quality. Still young and doesn't always make the right choices (and will improve with experience) but looks like our best player.
11. McBurnie - The bastard love child of a Wizard and old man Steptoe. Has a pedigree at this level but his time with us has not been a happy one
12. Davies - Decent reputation, not played that much recently
13. Basham - Apparently yesterday's man
14. Robinson - Another who seems to regularly be injured. Had a great spell last year but terrible before then
15. Baldock - Fairly reliable but with no end product
16. Lowe - Terrible for us, did well for Forest
17. Stevens - Injury prone and passed it
18. Osborn - Got an extra year to make up the numbers
19. Couilibally - Never played in English football.
20. McAtee - Hot talent at Man City but only played a handful of senior games
21. Khadra - Mixed reviews from Blackburn. Great on his day but goes missing otherwise
22. Sharp - Captain Billy, seems to have sadly come to be playing out his final year
23. Brewster - Cost 26 million and therefore a great player (who had one good half season at Swansea 3 years ago)
24. Jebbo - Had a good league 1 loan
25. Doyle - I knew I'd forget one. Did well for Cardiff last year without really catching the eye
26. Gordon - Looks out of his depth
27 - group of youth players who despite playing in the league 1 of the youth system are all better than what we have when we lose

Does that look like a great squad to you? Really?

It looks to me like a fairly average top half squad with a few bright sparks and a few players with a lot of potential who have yet to turn it consistently into ability.

It looks to me like a team in transition. From the players who took us up reaching the end of their careers and a youth team who aren't ready. Worryingly, with fewer players of our own every year.

Maybe, when we were top of the league that was a manager getting a team overperforming? Just maybe the manager deserves credit for that?

Maybe, now we're on this bad run it's a manager struggling to get an injury riddled team to perform?

Maybe, just maybe, managers should be judged over an extended period and not 5 games (or the 9 games before that)?
Great and well thought out post. Went to bed last night feeling really depressed after that non-event of a game. Hate to be a pessimist but I just can’t see us winning a game at the moment as we seem to press the self-destruct button too regularly and get punished for every mistake we make. Physically we seem a weak team with virtually nil pace and get bullied by stronger, fitter and less skilful players as has been shown in the last two games against Blackpool and Coventry.
Horrendous injury issues unfortunately are derailing this season in a poor league where we could’ve prospered.
 
Give it some context...which other clubs squad would you swap with?

On paper I'd still argue that's a fantastic group for this level this season. It's full of depth everywhere, when they aren't injured at least.
Pretty sure most of the Norwich, Burnley and Watford players were playing EPL football earlier this year. WBA has better players, on paper, than us.

Is it full of depth in centre midfield? Fleck, Norwood, Berge, Doyle, Couilibally, Osborn ? Considering we normally play 3 there?
 
Great and well thought out post. Went to bed last night feeling really depressed after that non-event of a game. Hate to be a pessimist but I just can’t see us winning a game at the moment as we seem to press the self-destruct button too regularly and get punished for every mistake we make. Physically we seem a weak team with virtually nil pace and get bullied by stronger, fitter and less skilful players as has been shown in the last two games against Blackpool and Coventry.
Horrendous injury issues unfortunately are derailing this season in a poor league where we could’ve prospered.
I'd say our biggest issue is midfield and lack of energy/strength/competitive players there. It was the big gap at the start of the season. With everyone fit, we kind of plugged it, but we are small and lacking in that area.
 
Our squad is top 3, certainly top 4, certainly too good to play in the pathetic way The Caretaker has us playing away from home
 
Our squad is top 3, certainly top 4, certainly too good to play in the pathetic way The Caretaker has us playing away from home
Were you calling our manager, who you clearly want to be sacked, names when we were top of the league #bringbackkingchris
 
I keep hearing that we have the best squad in the league.

This seems to now be that our team should beat any other team.

When we were top of the league, many of our fans refused to credit the manager and just said "we have the best squad, we should be top of the league". Now we're on a bad run the manager apparently has to be sacked because "he did nothing to get us top of the league it was the squad".

It's 15 games in, we have 25 points and we're 4th (2 whole points off the top), and yet some fans want to change the manager.

but back to the squad. At the start of this season I thought we'd be either in the playoffs or just below. I get it, fans expectations change with form and we were exceeding my expectations. After a run of FIVE bad results, we're apparently relegation fodder. Maybe the reality is somewhere in-between?

Anyhow, the best squad in the league, a squad full of players who deserve to be playing in the EPL...

1. Foderingham - Had a great season last year but was our 2nd or 3rd choice when he signed on a free from Scotland
2. RND - He wasn't first choice LWB at the start of the season, for many. He's done really well at LCB and had a great run but its a quarter of a season
3. Bogle - Great talent, seems to be injured more than fit
4. Clark - who knows. Either a great player forced out by Newcastle money or a washed up has-been passed his best (according to Newcastle fans)
5. Egan - One day we shouldn't sell him for less that 15 million, the next he's a plodder who isn't good enough
6. Anel - Looks a talent. Only played like 10 games but looks very promising
7. Fleck - More Jimmy than John in recent seasons
8. Norwood - Wrong side of 30. Can dictate games, can go missing.
9. Berge - The greatest player in the league for some who every rarely plays like the best player in this team. Also, injured regularly.
10. Ndiaye - Quality. Still young and doesn't always make the right choices (and will improve with experience) but looks like our best player.
11. McBurnie - The bastard love child of a Wizard and old man Steptoe. Has a pedigree at this level but his time with us has not been a happy one
12. Davies - Decent reputation, not played that much recently
13. Basham - Apparently yesterday's man
14. Robinson - Another who seems to regularly be injured. Had a great spell last year but terrible before then
15. Baldock - Fairly reliable but with no end product
16. Lowe - Terrible for us, did well for Forest
17. Stevens - Injury prone and passed it
18. Osborn - Got an extra year to make up the numbers
19. Couilibally - Never played in English football.
20. McAtee - Hot talent at Man City but only played a handful of senior games
21. Khadra - Mixed reviews from Blackburn. Great on his day but goes missing otherwise
22. Sharp - Captain Billy, seems to have sadly come to be playing out his final year
23. Brewster - Cost 26 million and therefore a great player (who had one good half season at Swansea 3 years ago)
24. Jebbo - Had a good league 1 loan
25. Doyle - I knew I'd forget one. Did well for Cardiff last year without really catching the eye
26. Gordon - Looks out of his depth
27 - group of youth players who despite playing in the league 1 of the youth system are all better than what we have when we lose

Does that look like a great squad to you? Really?

It looks to me like a fairly average top half squad with a few bright sparks and a few players with a lot of potential who have yet to turn it consistently into ability.

It looks to me like a team in transition. From the players who took us up reaching the end of their careers and a youth team who aren't ready. Worryingly, with fewer players of our own every year.

Maybe, when we were top of the league that was a manager getting a team overperforming? Just maybe the manager deserves credit for that?

Maybe, now we're on this bad run it's a manager struggling to get an injury riddled team to perform?

Maybe, just maybe, managers should be judged over an extended period and not 5 games (or the 9 games before that)?
I may give you my answer after you have listed the squads of the other 23 clubs and your thoughts on each player
 
Yes we have got some good players, some who when not injured are top players. We've also got Berge, Ndiaye, Ahemhodzic, RND who are world class and won't be with us next season unless we get promoted.
But we're also carrying some rubbish, McBurnie, and quite a few past their sell by date; Billy, Basham, Egan, Stevens.
As for Norwood, far too inconsistent.
WORLD CLASS??!!
 
WORLD CLASS??!!
Agree. Playing for Norway, Senegal, Bosnia and Wales doesn't mean you're world class. Just means you're lucky to be playing international football, cos if you'd been born in any major footballing nation, you wouldn't be anywhere near. In fact I'd back us to give all of those international teams a game......
 
I've been hearing this 'best squad in the league' nonsense and was just thinking that every team we've played have players that would fit straight into our team and easily displace current players.
Yes we have got some good players, some who when not injured are top players. We've also got Berge, Ndiaye, Ahemhodzic, RND who are world class and won't be with us next season unless we get promoted.
But we're also carrying some rubbish, McBurnie, and quite a few past their sell by date; Billy, Basham, Egan, Stevens.
As for Norwood, far too inconsistent.
Sorry that argument doesn’t work.
Even if we have the best squad in the league there will always be individuals at other clubs who might make it better, but they are not in squads that are overall better.
The comparison has to be with the whole of our squad against all other squads in the league and I still think we have the best one, albeit that a couple of clubs may have a better 1st XI.
 

I've been hearing this 'best squad in the league' nonsense and was just thinking that every team we've played have players that would fit straight into our team and easily displace current players.
Yes we have got some good players, some who when not injured are top players. We've also got Berge, Ndiaye, Ahemhodzic, RND who are world class and won't be with us next season unless we get promoted.
But we're also carrying some rubbish, McBurnie, and quite a few past their sell by date; Billy, Basham, Egan, Stevens.
As for Norwood, far too inconsistent.

I echo some of your sentiments here, especially the players who would fit in from this division..

However we will lose the players you've mentioned in order to balance the books should we not get promoted..

We can't afford these players without the parachute money, the Prince deserves real credit for adding Anel to the squad for this season..

But its the last roll of the dice, before we have to cut our cloth and consolidate in the championship..

This season is shit or bust for this squad.
 
You said we had the best squad in the league. You prove it.
Find me a quote saying that we have the best squad in the division. I would never claim this without knowing much about players from the other team.

You say we dont have the best squad in the division, now you prove it and I want you to tell me the strengths weaknesses of each player from the other teams
 
Find me a quote saying that we have the best squad in the division. I would never claim this without knowing much about players from the other team.

You say we dont have the best squad in the division, now you prove it and I want you to tell me the strengths weaknesses of each player from the other teams
Apologies Silent, I believe I got you confused with someone else.
 
It’s ‘past’ not passed. And Brewster wasn’t £26m. 😂
 
Fuck off and you are right, £23.5 million. A huge difference.
 
23.5 million for Brewster it brings tears to your eyes. The hope with this one has long gone. Complete waste of dough, but slightly less so than McBurnie- Ouch.
I haven't lost all hope in him just yet. He is 21 and there's something in there, somewhere. We've seen it on the very rare occasion.

Not sure that's true regarding him being less of a waste of Money than McBurnie either. Oli was £5m cheaper and has at least contributed about 14 league goals over the last 3 and a half seasons. I'd say of the 2, McBurnie has been the better value signing, but obviously neither have done anywhere near enough to justify the outlay.
I'm sure they'd accept that too.
 
I haven't lost all hope in him just yet. He is 21 and there's something in there, somewhere. We've seen it on the very rare occasion.

Not sure that's true regarding him being less of a waste of Money than McBurnie either. Oli was £5m cheaper and has at least contributed about 14 league goals over the last 3 and a half seasons. I'd say of the 2, McBurnie has been the better value signing, but obviously neither have done anywhere near enough to justify the outlay.
I'm sure they'd accept that too.
Fair enough- I have kept hoping and hoping Brew comes good- because he seems to have a better shot than McB- but he always seems to run about a lot like a kid thats got no proper sense of where to be.

I truly hope I'm totally wrong but both for me have been hugely disappointing.

Madine and Jebbo better - a saving of 40 million.
 

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