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Nick Jansky said:
Can’t see how Fleck gets back into the team. Doyle is an upgrade.
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Fleck is left footed and Doyle isn’t. Hecky likes balance and the shape, not as much as Wilder but it’s still important to him... my prediction is as soon as Fleck is fit he’s back in the starting 11.
 
Harry's Game said:
Fleck is left footed and Doyle isn’t. Hecky likes balance and the shape, not as much as Wilder but it’s still important to him... my prediction is as soon as Fleck is fit he’s back in the starting 11.
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Disagree. Think Doyle will be "first choice". But may be hard to interpret as I think we'll see a higher quality John Fleck when he doesn't have to play as much, also coming from the bench.
 
Good thing is that we can maintain a level throughout 90 mins once we get a few back.

Having potential rotation and/or subbing to keep fresh between three three is a big plus.

We have this potentially further forward with N’Diaye, Khadra and McAtee whilst we wait on Berge. Plus the luxury of McBurnie or Brewster with Jebbo and Sharp in reserve.

It’s at the back I’m keen to see some bodies return.

Get Anel and Bogle back in and that is our best right side attack wise.

We then have the choice between Basham and Osborn, two model pros, which is better than choosing between two kids. Just depends what is the stronger dynamic, Basham and Norrington-Davies at left wing back or Norrington-Davies at left centre back and Osborn left wing back.

Better choices than we had last Saturday.

We get those in and I can see us back to winning ways against Blackpool and then we can be optimistic heading to an under pressure Coventry.
 
Hamandcheese said:
No chance Fleck, or anyone, replaces Doyle as long as he's fit, that's obvious

Fleck is now a sub, but one who makes us much stronger than most subs would
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Agreed. Had an disagreement other day with a mate about Fleck, he thinks he's poor. I said you do realise a player of Fleck's quality is very good to have on the bench and freshen things up in place of a Doyle or Norwood.
 
If we can have Anel, Baldock and or Bogle back that will make a big difference to us. McBurnie will be back we know anyway.

Means we can have a back line up of something like Bogle, Anel, Egan, RND, Osborn or Basham in place of Osborn and RND at LWB.

Better still if Berge is as back as well. Didn't know that Fleck was close, is he?
Its looking like we will have less injuries come the WC break which is pretty frustrating really. Hopefully post WC we will have a much fresher looking team and won't have gained any more bad injuries.
 
Have a horrible feeling we won't be seeing Bogle for a while. A 100% healthy knee doesn't swell up after 60mins of football. We all thought he was rushed back somewhat. If he is out for an extended period of time then serious questions have to be asked of our physio team. Especially after the JOC fiasco.
 
CPB said:
If we can have Anel, Baldock and or Bogle back that will make a big difference to us. McBurnie will be back we know anyway.

Means we can have a back line up of something like Bogle, Anel, Egan, RND, Osborn or Basham in place of Osborn and RND at LWB.

Better still if Berge is as back as well. Didn't know that Fleck was close, is he?
Its looking like we will have less injuries come the WC break which is pretty frustrating really. Hopefully post WC we will have a much fresher looking team and won't have gained any more bad injuries.
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Fleck is back running. No idea how so soon after a fracture
 
bladesmanluke said:
Fleck is back running. No idea how so soon after a fracture
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Standard fractures don't lay you out that long, and you can be running within a couple of weeks.
This was mentioned at the time, it was just drowned out by the pearl clutches proclaiming he'd definitely be out until Jan.
 
N'Diayewillalwaysloveyou said:
Agreed. Had an disagreement other day with a mate about Fleck, he thinks he's poor. I said you do realise a player of Fleck's quality is very good to have on the bench and freshen things up in place of a Doyle or Norwood.
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Don't think Fleck is poor exactly, my view is that he's coasting as though he's achieved what he wanted to achieve by playing PL football.
It's as though he's earned enough money in the game to provide the lifestyle he wants, so the hunger has gone.
Maybe the injury he had when he collapsed on the pitch has effected his attitude going forward, so he's happy to just do enough.

In the early days Fleck used to play like he was playing for a contract. He was hungry and out to make an impression on the game.
He made plenty of forward runs, tried a few shots and made difficult passes, sometimes he produced 8 or 9 out of 10 performances.

However for the past 2-3 years he's lost his hunger and seems to be more intent in not making mistakes.
He's now makes plenty of easy sideways passes or back passes, just keeps the ball ticking over and rarely makes forward runs or even try shots.
These days he seems to be content to have 6 out of 10 performances, he's consistently OK but never anything more.
As mentioned, a good quality player who can do a job if being used as sub.
 



Sheffsteel said:
Don't think Fleck is poor exactly, my view is that he's coasting as though he's achieved what he wanted to achieve by playing PL football.
It's as though he's earned enough money in the game to provide the lifestyle he wants, so the hunger has gone.
Maybe the injury he had when he collapsed on the pitch has effected his attitude going forward, so he's happy to just do enough.

In the early days Fleck used to play like he was playing for a contract. He was hungry and out to make an impression on the game.
He made plenty of forward runs, tried a few shots and made difficult passes, sometimes he produced 8 or 9 out of 10 performances.

However for the past 2-3 years he's lost his hunger and seems to be more intent in not making mistakes.
He's now makes plenty of easy sideways passes or back passes, just keeps the ball ticking over and rarely makes forward runs or even try shots.
These days he seems to be content to have 6 out of 10 performances, he's consistently OK but never anything more.
As mentioned, a good quality player who can do a job if being used as sub.
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Agree with a lot of that.
He woke up at the very end of last season when promotion seemed to be back on the table which shows it isn't the case that "his legs have gone" or that "he's not the same player."
With Fleck, it always seems to be mental. Too often he just doesn't seem to want it.

Cracking player... when he wants to be.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
Standard fractures don't lay you out that long, and you can be running within a couple of weeks.
This was mentioned at the time, it was just drowned out by the pearl clutches proclaiming he'd definitely be out until Jan.
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Possibly aimed at my posts in the 'Injuries' thread. If so, you're being a tad disingenuous.

I always add a disclaimer that I am just guessing on timescales based on the known information.
I have never said anything is definite, how could it be?

Also, have always had December for Fleck. Remembering that there's a 4-week-break from mid-Nov to mid-Dec.
The assumption being that - I didn't think we'd rush him back if there was an option not to and that we'd use that four-week-break to get him to 100%.

It's great that it's looking like he may return sooner, I just hope he's not another one that we're going to rush and then incur a setback..
 
IOM Blade said:
Have a horrible feeling we won't be seeing Bogle for a while. A 100% healthy knee doesn't swell up after 60mins of football. We all thought he was rushed back somewhat. If he is out for an extended period of time then serious questions have to be asked of our physio team. Especially after the JOC fiasco.
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Not unusual for players to have a reaction after knee surgery.Hopefully that's the case with Bogle.
Don't think Hecki would have commented like he did if things weren't going well.Next few weeks will tell
 
CaptainMorgans said:
Possibly aimed at my posts in the 'Injuries' thread. If so, you're being a tad disingenuous.

I always add a disclaimer that I am just guessing on timescales based on the known information.
I have never said anything is definite, how could it be?

Also, have always had December for Fleck. Remembering that there's a 4-week-break from mid-Nov to mid-Dec.
The assumption being that - I didn't think we'd rush him back if there was an option not to and that we'd use that four-week-break to get him to 100%.

It's great that it's looking like he may return sooner, I just hope he's not another one that we're going to rush and then incur a setback..
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I actually think it was mainly in shoutbox to be fair where we were talking about recovery times when Fleck was diagnosed with a fracture but it wasn't specifically you who came to mind.
 
There is deffo something amiss when it comes to the sheer amount of injuries we have accumulated.

Somebody or some people … somewhere have to be held accountable as they clearly are not doing their jobs correctly.

Either that or something darker e.g. players dragging injuries out so they don’t have to play (but I don’t believe it could be this)
 
Jan Age said:
There is deffo something amiss when it comes to the sheer amount of injuries we have accumulated.

Somebody or some people … somewhere have to be held accountable as they clearly are not doing their jobs correctly.

Either that or something darker e.g. players dragging injuries out so they don’t have to play (but I don’t believe it could be this)
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I agree there is something a miss . All clubs get injuries but in the past 2 years ours have been some what out of all proportion compared to others .Not just the amount but the seriousness of a great deal of them are not normal . Players out for months and months and in one case 2 years seems strange .I dont want to point the finger at anyone or any part of the club but maybe it could be money well spent if there was some sort of organization who could be employed to look at the problem and find out why we are getting so many in the last two years and what if anything is causing them. Plus recovery times involving treatments seem to be hell of a lot slower than other clubs.
 
JOC's injury has deffo been mismanaged somewhere in it's early days.

It's hard to pinpoint the others down. Some are just kind of occurances, such as landing/falling awkward and pulling muscles.
I'd like to think that our high intensity training isn't a contributing factor because surely that would be easy enough to spot.

Seems though like such a combination of injuries it's not one reason for them all.
 
IOM Blade said:
Have a horrible feeling we won't be seeing Bogle for a while. A 100% healthy knee doesn't swell up after 60mins of football. We all thought he was rushed back somewhat. If he is out for an extended period of time then serious questions have to be asked of our physio team. Especially after the JOC fiasco.
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He has had a scan which shows his knee is fine. It's not uncommon for it to swell but I agree we probably didn't need to play him as much as we have done.
 
It would be incredibly harsh to drop Doyle, he's unlucky not to have a goal to his name yet.

Don't know the stats but I can almost guarantee Doyles xG and xA per 90 is far superior to Fleck.
 
petcharlie said:
I agree there is something a miss . All clubs get injuries but in the past 2 years ours have been some what out of all proportion compared to others .Not just the amount but the seriousness of a great deal of them are not normal . Players out for months and months and in one case 2 years seems strange .I dont want to point the finger at anyone or any part of the club but maybe it could be money well spent if there was some sort of organization who could be employed to look at the problem and find out why we are getting so many in the last two years and what if anything is causing them. Plus recovery times involving treatments seem to be hell of a lot slower than other clubs.
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Came upon this contribution elsewhere. No. it isn't corroborated and I am not saying it is correct. It is however IMO interesting and food for thought.

"Heckingbottom will bring in a number of coaches to support his role, including former Blades players Jack Lester, who becomes head of player development, and Stuart McCall, who is the new assistant manager. Further announcements with regards to the structure of the football department will be made in due course."

Statement from the Club 11 months ago. No further announcements on structure and new coaches for the rest of the season. Tom Little came in the summer as Head of Performance. Vacancies at the academy and goalkeeping coach were filled by people just moving up the ladder. No replacement for Head of medical services, no new bodies overall suggests trimming of the structure not enhancing it.

Promises were also made at the time about investing in facilities. That investment is not additional its reducing the playing budget to pay for pitch improvements. We didn't have enough money for 2 desso pitches so we had to mix, match and patch. Pitch improvements not ready till November, team having to train on u23 pitches and not enough space for rehab work outside. The players haven't had full training sessions for 7 weeks as a consequence. Taking all this into account the manager has done well to get us where we currently are.

There still has to be questions asked about the standard of fitness and conditioning with the number of pulls and strains and why player recovery is so slow. The type of weekly probing you'd get from an experienced Director of Football in situ. Our plate spinning structure doesn't seem to allow for this meaning that pro active problem solving is non existent and issues drift until eventually they reach crisis mode as it has done now with injuries. Van Winkel has gone so there is no one at Board level with football experience that could question the competence of the fitness team. This lack of accountability is likely to hinder significantly our prospects for promotion.
 
Nightsweats said:
Came upon this contribution elsewhere. No. it isn't corroborated and I am not saying it is correct. It is however IMO interesting and food for thought.

"Heckingbottom will bring in a number of coaches to support his role, including former Blades players Jack Lester, who becomes head of player development, and Stuart McCall, who is the new assistant manager. Further announcements with regards to the structure of the football department will be made in due course."

Statement from the Club 11 months ago. No further announcements on structure and new coaches for the rest of the season. Tom Little came in the summer as Head of Performance. Vacancies at the academy and goalkeeping coach were filled by people just moving up the ladder. No replacement for Head of medical services, no new bodies overall suggests trimming of the structure not enhancing it.

Promises were also made at the time about investing in facilities. That investment is not additional its reducing the playing budget to pay for pitch improvements. We didn't have enough money for 2 desso pitches so we had to mix, match and patch. Pitch improvements not ready till November, team having to train on u23 pitches and not enough space for rehab work outside. The players haven't had full training sessions for 7 weeks as a consequence. Taking all this into account the manager has done well to get us where we currently are.

There still has to be questions asked about the standard of fitness and conditioning with the number of pulls and strains and why player recovery is so slow. The type of weekly probing you'd get from an experienced Director of Football in situ. Our plate spinning structure doesn't seem to allow for this meaning that pro active problem solving is non existent and issues drift until eventually they reach crisis mode as it has done now with injuries. Van Winkel has gone so there is no one at Board level with football experience that could question the competence of the fitness team. This lack of accountability is likely to hinder significantly our prospects for promotion.
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The medical department is headed by Steve Humphries, ably supported by Ryan Flanagan, Ignatius Szuba, Chris Senior and Paul Evans, they are supplemented by club doctors Dr Alex Worthington and Dr Roshan Gunaserkera.

Backroom Staff

Learn about the Sheffield United FC player, Backroom Staff
www.sufc.co.uk www.sufc.co.uk
 
BushBlade said:
The medical department is headed by Steve Humphries, ably supported by Ryan Flanagan, Ignatius Szuba, Chris Senior and Paul Evans, they are supplemented by club doctors Dr Alex Worthington and Dr Roshan Gunaserkera.

Backroom Staff

Learn about the Sheffield United FC player, Backroom Staff
www.sufc.co.uk www.sufc.co.uk
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Think they must have all lied though their stethoscopes on their CV's then, or they're agents for our competitors.
 



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