My take ...

[pommpey]

Ye it's always football related on here. You try to make it otherwise so you can say people are trolling you.

Well, you've done your best. You've tried (and failed) to take me on on a number of topics, usually ending in your foaming ad hominem. I've called you out on it though, so you're being a bit more reflective, which is nice. Keep up the good work.

Ye I was asking if what I said was that bad (that the people saying you are wrong about Norwood are correct). No answer so I assume you indeed find that unacceptable.

Answer (pay attention now): A few good games and free kick don't make up for two and a half seasons of Hollywood balls and coughing up possession, telegraphed passes and shit midfield performances. Ask me at the end of this season when he's on six goals and we are promoted. Clear?

So he's been marginally better this season than the one in the prem? Or since Hecky? Astonishing view point. Which is why I've responded and why we're now having this argument.

He's put in some decent performances at the back end of last season (particularly in the playoffs) and discounting the first two, the rest of this season. Nothing astonishing about that.

If you mean your inconsistent and contradictory knee stance then I very much have it.

Okay. If it raises your rent, you have it. Happy? You don't, but for the benefits of your miniscule valuation on 'getting one over on me' just imagine I have given up and admitted it. Knock yourself out. I didn't say it and the tract mined by Barney didn't say it, bless him for trying to help.

You actually think Norwood has improved because he's decided to stop showing off with his passes Such basic nonsense.

Yes. Pay attention again ... he is also showing greater tenacity in tackling (evident in the Reading game) and is choosing better short and medium range passing options (when he doesn't telegraph it as much) There's still work to do ... he doesn't go past opposition midfielders even playing one twos and although his set pieces have much improved, I'd like to judge that one come Christmas when he hasn't hit the first man on the near post as much as he used to. And I'd like to think the free kick he knocked in wasn't a one off.

Ye and it's not at all reflective of reality. And yet still you bang on about it. That's why I'm pointing out I think you're wrong. Do you understand that is part of the football discussion? How much longer you gonna bang on about it? Maybe if he's one of the main men and we go up you might consider you could be wrong?

But then if he was one who we relied on to stand up and be counted when we were getting trunked during our dismal second PL season, you'll admit that no, Norwood isn't 'the best MF we have seen at BDTBL' and has had a varied fortune in red and white. Talk to me about the game at Palace. Talk to me about losing at home last season early doors (pick a match) when he was fucking appalling and was frequently dispossessed and bypassed like a fucking traffic cone. He's meant to be the pivot - the regista - the start point for every attack and the guardian of every defence. You do understand what contemporaries past and present he has in the game, don't you? Matic, Pirlo, Kimmich, Busquets, Xavi, Kante, Butt. This is the measuring point for his game. None of these are long ball shirleys. Go watch some of them.

Well you posted some very long winded and horrible stuff about taking the knee to me. So when I see you trying to change your story and claim views you never held, I call it out. Don't really care how you feel about that.

And I don't care that you see it differently. If you can't accept my explanation and still feel it necessary to chip on about it, then you have the problem, not me.

If I was deliberately trying to get at you all the time I'd have pointed out how ridiculous you were hysterically claiming Millwall would run straight through us. Another superb call.

Um, second half was a bit different to the first, y'think? After the break we were put under pressure in the middle of the park and Norwood in particular was less effective, with Fleck struggling too (and his replacement not exactly steadying the ship either)

Did you think we bossed the game in the same way we did vs Reading?

pommpey

 

[Sheffsteel]

Ye it's always football related on here. You try to make it otherwise so you can say people are trolling you.

Lightening the mood a little....your user name is like a prophecy.

Our roving right sided centre back was BASHam but now the future in that role appears to be AHMEDhodzic.

Hence the clever username Bashahmed......are you a time traveller? ha ha.

 

[Bashamed]

Well, you've done your best. You've tried (and failed) to take me on on a number of topics, usually ending in your foaming ad hominem

Ye failed by showing you totally lying. Still don't let that stop you declaring you "won" the argument.

Answer (pay attention now): A few good games and free kick don't make up for two and a half seasons of Hollywood balls and coughing up possession, telegraphed passes and shit midfield performances. Ask me at the end of this season when he's on six goals and we are promoted. Clear?

OK so Norwood was shit last season. Even after hecky took over. Total shit. Was like playing with 10 men on that brilliant run we went on. Like I've said if that's your view you go against the vast majority of reasonable people and those telling you you're wrong aren't idiots. At the end of the season he could be in team of the year and us on 100 points you'd still think you were right. Stuff about Hollywood passes is really embarrassing. You actually think he normally does them to show off and only plays well when he stops doing that. So you genuinely think he cares more about showing off than playing well.

And I don't care that you see it differently. If you can't accept my explanation and still feel it necessary to chip on about it, then you have the problem, not me.

I see it as it is. Your explanation is just a lie. You can't even actually explain it so you just try to confuse. Also you brought it up not me. So i'd say you have the chip on the shoulder

Um, second half was a bit different to the first, y'think? After the break we were put under pressure in the middle of the park and Norwood in particular was less effective, with Fleck struggling too (and his replacement not exactly steadying the ship either)

Did you think we bossed the game in the same way we did vs Reading?

Millwall didn't run through us. You were wrong. We won comfortably. You wanting to be right doesn't change that.

Like you say let's catch up end of the season. When no matter what has happened your stance on Norwood will be exactly the same.

 

[Bashamed]

are you a time traveller?

Technically yes

 

[pommpey]

Ye failed by showing you totally lying. Still don't let that stop you declaring you "won" the argument.

Is your 's' button fucked or summat? PS: Show me (I know you can't) where I said 'I won the argument'

OK so Norwood was shit last season.

Pay attention. I know it's difficult. He was shit for 'a lot' of last season, even Hecky's first games. Please tell me you acknowledge I have stated that and it's sunk in.

Even after hecky took over.

See above

Total shit. Was like playing with 10 men on that brilliant run we went on. Like I've said if that's your view you go against the vast majority of reasonable people and those telling you you're wrong aren't idiots. At the end of the season he could be in team of the year and us on 100 points you'd still think you were right.

We were ineffective in Slavs 4-2-3-1 and slightly more effective thereafter. Norwood only started shitting silver dollars after the two 0-0 draws against Hudds and Hull when Hecky finally settled on a modified Wilderball format and we tubbed WBA 4-0 at the Lane, but continued to launch it long and telegraph passes with gay abandon. During the final run in his tactics changed and he started to be more selective with his passes and by the Hecky had stopped trying to play the Fleck-Norwood-Berge flat three disaster which favoured Norwood the least. If you think that is 'total shit' then I can't help you.

I see it as it is. Your explanation is just a lie. You can't even actually explain it so you just try to confuse. Also you brought it up not me. So i'd say you have the chip on the shoulder

No. You see it as you want to see it because you think being on a forum like this is about one-nilling people who don't agree with you.

Stuff about Hollywood passes is really embarrassing. You actually think he normally does them to show off and only plays well when he stops doing that. So you genuinely think he cares more about showing off than playing well.

I think his mentality was (and still is to a lesser extent) to hit the marked wingback at whatever cost because that is all he thought he could do. Taking the ball forward twenty metres at his feet was totally out of the question. Nice that a young centreback can break that misgiving these days. There is a time and place for the Hollywood pass. Every time you collect the ball off Egan isn't it.

Millwall didn't run through us. You were wrong. We won comfortably. You wanting to be right doesn't change that.

Millwall significantly pressed Norwood in the second half and shut down his options. Rowett knows what Norwood is about and did it at their ground last year and Norwood was like a fucking traffic cone. Did you just rewind the first half and watch it again through a mirror?

Like you say let's catch up end of the season. When no matter what has happened your stance on Norwood will be exactly the same.

Mebbe not. I hope he's on five goals with ten assists and is part of the team photo lifting the trophy, myself. It's what I need as a Unitedite

pommpey

 

[Bashamed]

Millwall significantly pressed Norwood in the second half and shut down his options. Rowett knows what Norwood is about and did it at their ground last year and Norwood was like a fucking traffic cone. Did you just rewind the first half and watch it again through a mirror?

No I was at the game so couldn't rewind and obviously didn't see as much as you streaming. But as I say it was a very comfortable win. Norwood was absolutely fine.

Pay attention. I know it's difficult. He was shit for 'a lot' of last season, even Hecky's first games. Please tell me you acknowledge I have stated that and it's sunk in.

Haha backtracking begins. He was awful all last season a few hours ago. Anyway I'll be sure to point out when I think he's played well in future. It's most games so I'm sure we'll pick this up again soon.

 

[pommpey]

No I was at the game so couldn't rewind and obviously didn't see as much as you streaming. But as I say it was a very comfortable win. Norwood was absolutely fine.

Our opinions vary on that

Haha backtracking begins. He was awful all last season a few hours ago. Anyway I'll be sure to point out when I think he's played well in future. It's most games so I'm sure we'll pick this up again soon.

Typical Bashamed 'one-nil' silliness. You don't give up do you? I've explained enough. Good luck.

pommpey