Outgoing? SANDER BERGE ON WAY OUT ?

[Lucky1979]

Just like how they “made an offer” for Coulibaly?

 

[iBlade.]

You would imagine the club will have a figure in mind as to when they will take offers seriously. That figure is going to be nowhere near the 35m
that some are suggesting we should only accept. Well thats my opinion for what its worth.

 

[JackSUFC]

You would imagine the club will have a figure in mind as to when they will take offers seriously. That figure is going to be nowhere near the 35m
that some are suggesting we should only accept. Well thats my opinion for what its worth.

True. It’ll be closer to £25m I’d have thought.

Unfortunately we could have no complaints if he’s sold to Milan.

 

[Champagneblade]

I doubt the once great AC Milan can afford him.

Attractive for Berge and for them, no doubt.

They just spent €32m for Charles de Ketelaere. Do we see then then spending more than this on Berge? Almost €41m?

It will be some low ball bullshit offer that they will try to have United accept because it is a good move for the player.

 

[Grappler]

Sander came back from injury last season, started attacking and scoring goals.

He has started this season in the same way.

If we are really going to sell him, I hope the recruitment team has a replacement lined up, because strong, fast, technically gifted, 6ft 5 midfielders are not that common.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

We really need to get a replacement lined up. Should he leave (which I think he will) this will dramatically weaken our starting XI and squad. I don't think we can get anywhere near like for like in, but the chequebook will need to be open for someone we know can do the business in this league.

 

[Lucky1979]

I doubt the once great AC Milan can afford him.

Attractive for Berge and for them, no doubt.

They just spent €32m for Charles de Ketelaere. Do we see then then spending more than this on Berge? Almost €41m?

It will be some low ball bullshit offer that they will try to have United accept because it is a good move for the player.

They also have 8 midfielders already and a 27 man squad. Unless they sell or loan out several players it’s not plausible for them to sign him.

Bennecer
Adli
Tonali
Diaz
Bakayoko
Krunic
Saelemekers
Pobega

Which one of their current 8 midfielders is he going to replace to take up one of the 2 or 3 midfield positions? If Pobega goes out on loan again then that’s 7. Diaz & Bakayoko are both on loan so they’re not going away for at least a season. The rest are full international players.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

If it gets to the last day and someone triggers the clause that puts us in a worse position than 25 million and having time to replace.

But frankly it's a gamble worth taking as we have options in that attacking midfielder area right now that could get is into January close enough.

 

[bonobo]

I thought the release clause dropped by 10 mill, if we were in the Championship ? Not that I see anyone offering that. I am not against selling Berge, if we re-invest in permanents. But, I don't get this idea of selling him in Jan. If he stays and has a flyer, then we will probably be well in the promotion hunt. If that is the case then the last thing we want to do is sell him in Jan.

 

[Mojo]

If they can't afford that other lad no doubt they will try and low ball us on berge

 

[WORKSOPBLADE]

They also have 8 midfielders already and a 27 man squad. Unless they sell or loan out several players it’s not plausible for them to sign him.

Bennecer
Adli
Tonali
Diaz
Bakayoko
Krunic
Saelemekers
Pobega

Which one of their current 8 midfielders is he going to replace to take up one of the 2 or 3 midfield positions? If Pobega goes out on loan again then that’s 7. Diaz & Bakayoko are both on loan so they’re not going away for at least a season. The rest are full international players.

Lend us one as part of deal ??

 

[Yogi]

They also have 8 midfielders already and a 27 man squad. Unless they sell or loan out several players it’s not plausible for them to sign him.

Bennecer
Adli
Tonali
Diaz
Bakayoko
Krunic
Saelemekers
Pobega

Which one of their current 8 midfielders is he going to replace to take up one of the 2 or 3 midfield positions? If Pobega goes out on loan again then that’s 7. Diaz & Bakayoko are both on loan so they’re not going away for at least a season. The rest are full international players.

Arsenal were rumoured to be trying to do a deal for Tonali a few weeks ago.

 

[Lucky1979]

Arsenal were rumoured to be trying to do a deal for Tonali a few weeks ago.

Tonali doesn’t want to leave Milan. He’s a huge fan and believe he also took a pay cut to stay

 

[Champagneblade]

I thought the release clause dropped by 10 mill, if we were in the Championship ? Not that I see anyone offering that. I am not against selling Berge, if we re-invest in permanents. But, I don't get this idea of selling him in Jan. If he stays and has a flyer, then we will probably be well in the promotion hunt. If that is the case then the last thing we want to do is sell him in Jan.

It did.

The release clause in the PL was £45m.

If he goes it's not as if we are scratching a team together.

I don't see anyone playing the right sided role which is half no 10, half midfield which we've kind of carved out for him.

More likely we can play 3-4-1-2. You've still got Sharp and N'Diaye as strikers there and Brewster, Jebbo and McBurnie as alternatives. You've then got potentially Khadra and McAtee who could play in the Duffy role not to mention Doyle could possibly play there and N'Diaye could possibly move back there, so essentially still 8 possibles for 3 roles.

It's nice having Sander. But no need to throw the baby out with the bath water. But I wouldn't let him go for some low ball, nonsense offer.

I still have cold sweats on the money spent and recovered from our PL stint. Even 35m for Sander makes it 65m overall, thinking Ramsdale is heading towards ticking all the boxes. It still leaves a gap from the 117m we spent. God knows where we'd expect to recover the remaining 52m. We've already seen 5m Freeman, 10m Mousset leave for zilch. 20m McBurnie will not be far behind, neither too 3.5m Osborn. Robinson saw a 7m signing exchanged for about 1.5m cash and Burke who also left for zip. A good almost 40m pissed up the wall. Asking a lot of Lowe, Brewster and Bogle to reach 52m between them, notwithstanding Berge offers will likely not come close to 35m, unless Liverpool or Newcastle or Leicester start to panic.

 

[Yogi]

Tonali doesn’t want to leave Milan. He’s a huge fan and believe he also took a pay cut to stay

Fair enough I did find it odd there wasn’t more interest in him if the Arsenal approach was viable

 

[Lucky1979]

It did.

The release clause in the PL was £45m.

If he goes it's not as if we are scratching a team together.

I don't see anyone playing the right sided role which is half no 10, half midfield which we've kind of carved out for him.

More likely we can play 3-4-1-2. You've still got Sharp and N'Diaye as strikers there and Brewster, Jebbo and McBurnie as alternatives. You've then got potentially Khadra and McAtee who could play in the Duffy role not to mention Doyle could possibly play there and N'Diaye could possibly move back there, so essentially still 8 possibles for 3 roles.

It's nice having Sander. But no need to throw the baby out with the bath water. But I wouldn't let him go for some low ball, nonsense offer.

I still have cold sweats on the money spent and recovered from our PL stint. Even 35m for Sander makes it 65m overall, thinking Ramsdale is heading towards ticking all the boxes. It still leaves a gap from the 117m we spent. God knows where we'd expect to recover the remaining 52m. We've already seen 5m Freeman, 10m Mousset leave for zilch. 20m McBurnie will not be far behind, neither too 3.5m Osborn. Robinson saw a 7m signing exchanged for about 1.5m cash and Burke who also left for zip. A good almost 40m pissed up the wall. Asking a lot of Lowe, Brewster and Bogle to reach 52m between them, notwithstanding Berge offers will likely not come close to 35m, unless Liverpool or Newcastle or Leicester start to panic.

Why are you looking to recover £52m? We spent the money from the money we got for promotion. Its not like we spent all that money on a failed promotion bid. The best way to “recover” the money is to win promotion again. And that’s easier if you hang on to your best player.

 

[CPB]

I'm sure AC milan would be very appealing to Sander.

If they meet a fee he will be off.

However the link today is odd. Apparently AC Milan's primary target is too much valued at 7m euros. Sander is going to cost more than that.

 

[Champagneblade]

Why are you looking to recover £52m? We spent the money from the money we got for promotion. Its not like we spent all that money on a failed promotion bid. The best way to “recover” the money is to win promotion again. And that’s easier if you hang on to your best player.

I'm not looking to recover it now. I'd like to think the players we bought are not so poor that when they eventually leave we might actually get our money back as opposed to writing it all off OR they get us promoted and stay for a while as part of a successful team.

To date we're due to make a huge loss on Wilder's signings whilst a team we finished above that first season is taking in fees all over the shop this summer, Brighton and have a highly rated team that remains.

 

[Bladesman98]

I'm sure AC milan would be very appealing to Sander.

If they meet a fee he will be off.

However the link today is odd. Apparently AC Milan's primary target is too much valued at 7m euros. Sander is going to cost more than that.

No chance they meet it. Known penny pinchers. The only way we get 30m from them is through instalments.

 

[CPB]

I'm not looking to recover it now. I'd like to think the players we bought are not so poor that when they eventually leave we might actually get our money back as opposed to writing it all off OR they get us promoted and stay for a while as part of a successful team.

To date we're due to make a huge loss on Wilder's signings whilst a team we finished above that first season is taking in fees all over the shop this summer, Brighton and have a highly rated team that remains.

It's the same for alot of transfers especially when newly promoted to the PL.
Generally your shopping in a different market to the rest of the league but to try and bridge the gap your often signing players that maybe can make the step into the PL but should be ample good enough for this division.

On paper the signings we made in the 2 year stint made sense at the time overall.

If you've been up and down a few times recently that can help because you've had the extra cashflow generally (Like the likes of Bournemouth, Watford etc.)
Forest are being one of the exceptions this summer as their owner is throwing vast sums at it. They're already at £110m this summer or on track to be.

 

[Jon Bon II]

Lend us one as part of deal ??

We'll settle for the promise of a friendly. It's the Blades Way.

 

[BushBlade]

I'm not looking to recover it now. I'd like to think the players we bought are not so poor that when they eventually leave we might actually get our money back as opposed to writing it all off OR they get us promoted and stay for a while as part of a successful team.

To date we're due to make a huge loss on Wilder's signings whilst a team we finished above that first season is taking in fees all over the shop this summer, Brighton and have a highly rated team that remains.

Spent a lot though. They made a small net profit on transfers last season due to selling Ben White and, so far, a big net profit this season. Bottom line is, their owner invested a lot of money to get them where they are now. His money, not just the money the club received from being in the PL. Their transfers have probably been more successful since they brought in Dan Ashworth as DoF but he’s gone to Newcastle.

Brighton & Hove Albion - All transfers

This page shows all ever transfers of the Brighton, including arrivals, departures and loans. It also displays the transfer fees.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

 

[Booker4]

We really need to get a replacement lined up. Should he leave (which I think he will) this will dramatically weaken our starting XI and squad. I don't think we can get anywhere near like for like in, but the chequebook will need to be open for someone we know can do the business in this league.

Would not McAtee be the replacement for Berge? I don't see us signing another for Berge if he leaves, you've also got Khadra and Ndiaye who can play the attacking mid role. I wouldn't be surprised to see us sign a left sided centre mid if Berge leaves and thereby have more competition for Fleck. Osborn is injured and is never going to oust Fleck from the midfield.

 

[robbiez666]

I think a replacement for Berge answering the wrong question.

If we're playing 5-3-2 then he's a CM and not the greatest ain that position. I suspect Doyle slots in there.
If we're playing 5-2-1-2 or 5-2-2-1 then we already have McAtee, Ndiaye and Khadra for the AMC position

Now, the question should be, can we replace Berge with 1-2 CMs who would replace/push Fleck and Norwood? If we could get x for Berge and then bring in 2 who meet that criteria with the money we get to spend then it's a no brainer

 

[S64 Blade]

Think we already have the replacement (at least in Hecky’s mind) at the club. It’s obvious we have signed McAtee, Khadra and arguably Doyle, not only with competition for places in mind, but also on the possibility of Berge departing.

If he goes, I’d be very surprised if we are suddenly in the market for somebody else. I think the steps have been taken from the club’s perspective for this already.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Seems to be hotting up.

I’d be stunned if he was still here come September to be honest.

Hope we can at least get a bidding war going - drive the price up over what we paid and potentially get a couple of solid replacements in with the money.

 

[mattbianco1]

If it gets to the last day and someone triggers the clause that puts us in a worse position than 25 million and having time to replace.

But frankly it's a gamble worth taking as we have options in that attacking midfielder area right now that could get is into January close enough.

Hecky & Co will already have their target(s) lined up ready. Wouldn't be surprised if they've already been in touch with the players agent/club to check availability in the eventuality he does leave.


Them 2 Coventry lads would be high on my list - Hamer and O'Hare

 

[Blade58]

It did.

The release clause in the PL was £45m.

If he goes it's not as if we are scratching a team together.

I don't see anyone playing the right sided role which is half no 10, half midfield which we've kind of carved out for him.

More likely we can play 3-4-1-2. You've still got Sharp and N'Diaye as strikers there and Brewster, Jebbo and McBurnie as alternatives. You've then got potentially Khadra and McAtee who could play in the Duffy role not to mention Doyle could possibly play there and N'Diaye could possibly move back there, so essentially still 8 possibles for 3 roles.

It's nice having Sander. But no need to throw the baby out with the bath water. But I wouldn't let him go for some low ball, nonsense offer.

I still have cold sweats on the money spent and recovered from our PL stint. Even 35m for Sander makes it 65m overall, thinking Ramsdale is heading towards ticking all the boxes. It still leaves a gap from the 117m we spent. God knows where we'd expect to recover the remaining 52m. We've already seen 5m Freeman, 10m Mousset leave for zilch. 20m McBurnie will not be far behind, neither too 3.5m Osborn. Robinson saw a 7m signing exchanged for about 1.5m cash and Burke who also left for zip. A good almost 40m pissed up the wall. Asking a lot of Lowe, Brewster and Bogle to reach 52m between them, notwithstanding Berge offers will likely not come close to 35m, unless Liverpool or Newcastle or Leicester start to panic.

Not sure if I've read you correctly CB, but I'm not sure why you assume we have to "recover" the remaining £52 million we've spent?

We were awarded the monies as a PL club. We've spent it

Yes, we have liabilities now as a Championship club that means we have to run a much tighter ship and we still need to service those outstanding liabilities, but to assume we have to "recover" the remaining £52m surely is not correct?

We spent £117m of which we paid a proportion of that off in transfer fees and further payments during the time spent in the PL, so having spent £117m we didn't owe £117m when relegated. Neither did we borrow £117m to acquire these players. The money was given to the club as PL member club, TV revenue, sponsorship and PL finishing positions.

The clubs liabilities today in my view, don't amount to the difference in what we've spent on players against what we've brought in on selling players.

I'm pretty sure that are we in such a mess that we are £52m that needs to be recovered, we would be spending the rumoured £3m on Anel rising to £5m?

 

[Chief14]

I’ve got a mate who claims that is confirmed Sander is going and a deal has been agreed - he doesn’t know anything else. He’s not been in the know before and usually just gets his information from on here

 

[Mouth of the South]

If he does go and some proceeds are made available to PH, I'd be interested to see which positions he prioritises - it could in theory be any of the following:

- Target Man - to add more goals to the side but in the current formation with 1 up front and Ndiaye/AN Other, perhaps he has no choice but to stick with Brewster, Sharp & McBurnie for now
- Central Midfield - a big enforcer, preferably a left-footed one ,is a role many of us would like to have seen recruited for a while. Alternatively, competition for Norwood's playmaker role, unless Doyle is seen as a different option
- RWB - with Bogle out until the New Year (to be fully up to speed), relying on Baldock with only utility options as back-up is a risk. A short term loan may be an option
- LWB - with none of the current options (Stevens, RND, Lowe, Osborn) pulling up any trees, better quality is required but surely another won't come in unless one leaves
- GK - could Wes / Davies be improved on?
- CB - With AA and Clark, the options are better but there's still no natural replacement for Egan

I agree that McAtee and Khadra are probably seen as direct replacements for Berge's current advanced midfielder role