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We attacked Middlesbrough (tipped by many to be in the top 6) for most of the game and scored two goals.
I think the criticism is a bit unfair today.

Granted, he wasn't ambitious enough with his subs but hopefully he learns from it.

The teams we're coming up against aren't that good. Go for the jugular.
We went from totally dominant to bringing McBurnie on in case they got some corners.

I think (hope) he's taken a lot from today.
 
can't understand the need to knock Heckingbottom

He's working with a budget on a par. with Barnstoneworth
And getting blood out of stones

He turned us round from strugglers into contenders in 8 months

He deserves a crack and 4 points from our start against 2 top 8 sides and a prem teamaway is not that shabby
 
BettingBlade said:
I’m surprised its taken this long. His managerial weaknesses were evident last season in a number of games.

Anyone coming into this season expecting anything different is deluded.
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Would you like to set them out, explain why you think that way and suggest some solutions ?
 
Snowflake said:
Would you like to set them out, explain why you think that way and suggest some solutions ?
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I’ve explained this on a number of occasions on this forum.

Away from home we are so slow and negative in possession. We have some of the best attacking players in the division but he sets us up away from home in such a way that it completely stifles our flair players. Stoke and Millwall away last season were as bad as anything Slav served up before he was canned.

Its clear we have the ability, because we’ve looked great on the odd occasion when we actually need a result which suggests to me that the manager is purposely choosing to play defensively away from home.

His subs are poor to put it politely, we have no plan B. If a game starts to turn against us he rarely has the ability to change it before the inevitable concession of a goal. We arent aggressive enough to win promotion imo, teams who set up not to lose rarely get promoted from this division and thats exactly what we are.
 
nopigfansintown said:
Boro changed shape and put an extra midfielder on to compound their advantage there. Great management .The move was to go four at the back and match them - we didn't do it. Everyone knows the middle of the park is a huge weakness for us except seemingly our manager ( maybe Doyle is his
solution?).

We are a moments team: we rely purely on the individual quality of our forward players and backline. We dont win a tackle or race in the middle.We are a footballing jellyfish. Or a biscuit with no middle in it.

On the bottler tag. What generally happens with caretakers is they inherit a shitshow - the only way is up. They then improve things as any competent person could. They play open, expansive attacking stuff whilst doing that. The players love them and there's a buzz. They then inherit the job and are in a new position - everything is there fault: the good, the bad. The psychology has completely changed and thus they resort to negative, ultra cautious stuff.

Kevin Blackwell was a great example.
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Boro changed shape, took off a forward, put on a midfielder, and within about 5 minutes had gone from level at 1-1 to 2-1 down. 5 minutes later they’d put a forward on again in place of a right back. Hecky then put on a tall centre forward (possibly to help defend set pieces) and they managed to get back to 2-2 from a poorly defended set piece.
I don’t think Boro’s changes were all that effective in comparison to ours.
I wouldn’t have put Mcburnie on to hold onto the 2-1 lead: I don’t hate him; I do think he gives possession away with regular fouls at every challenge (when he is trying too hard to ‘put himself about’ and win the ball). However, he does usually contribute effectively to winning defensive headers and clearing opposition set-pieces, so at 2-1 up with 10 minutes to go, I can see why Hecky would select him to go on. I wouldn’t have sent him on, but I wasn’t berating Hecky for being an incompetent lunatic when I saw him make the change either.
 
100% part time blade said:
Boro changed shape, took off a forward, put on a midfielder, and within about 5 minutes had gone from level at 1-1 to 2-1 down. 5 minutes later they’d put a forward on again in place of a right back. Hecky then put on a tall centre forward (possibly to help defend set pieces) and they managed to get back to 2-2 from a poorly defended set piece.
I don’t think Boro’s changes were all that effective in comparison to ours.
I wouldn’t have put Mcburnie on to hold onto the 2-1 lead: I don’t hate him; I do think he gives possession away with regular fouls at every challenge (when he is trying too hard to ‘put himself about’ and win the ball). However, he does usually contribute effectively to winning defensive headers and clearing opposition set-pieces, so at 2-1 up with 10 minutes to go, I can see why Hecky would select him to go on. I wouldn’t have sent him on, but I wasn’t berating Hecky for being an incompetent lunatic when I saw him make the change either.
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I think they completely overan us in the middle of the park, pinned us back and should've won it. He pinpointed the one weakness they had the personnel to exploit. Boro in truth are a pretty poor outfit that we should be beating fairly comfortably imo.
 
Minty said:
Khadra, Doyle and McAtee not quite ready, Bash, Bogle, Robinson, Stevens injured. Fucking drama queens on here
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Wtf does "not quite ready" mean ?
Utter bollox.
You're telling me in a season where its crucial we get promoted , we've taken loan players who are not ready ? Are we feckin imbeciles ?
Of course they're ready.
McKnob will not be ready if you put him in a microwave till Christmas.
He is just shit.
I never want to see him again.
Any of our 3 loaned mfs would be better than Fleck or McKnob
 
I'm sorry, we shouldve won that game.
Again, substitutes were baffling!?
I just dont understand why Hecky cant see what everyone else can???
We need to start with what we should be our most dynamic 11, and that means unfortunately, Fleck and Sharp should be on the bench.
Sharp is an absolute legend, but his age is against him now, and he can only really be an impact sub moving forrad.
And Fleck, he needs to know that his position isnt his position, hes become very comfortable, and seems to be undroppable for whatever reason, and I believe that's the reason hes become so complacent and just drifts through games.
I watched the game and I forgot Fleck was playing at one point, we didnt see anything for around 20mins from him.

Why cant we roll the dice, like we did with MGW last season??
Weve brought in Khadra, Mcatee and Doyle, all of which are predominantly midfielders, yet we still play the same old players, which again, offers the same old football.
FFS Hecky, mix it up a bit, give the new boys a run out, let's see what they're made of, oh, and just incase you missed it, we can make 5 FUCKING SUBS, and in this heat, with the age of some players, it might be worth using the fuckers!!!
But, before you do, might also be worth walking over and asking the fans which subs should be made, because you've clearly not got a fucking clue!!!

Anyway, on to the next!
 
Keen Blade said:
Wtf does "not quite ready" mean ?
Utter bollox.
You're telling me in a season where its crucial we get promoted , we've taken loan players who are not ready ? Are we feckin imbeciles ?
Of course they're ready.
McKnob will not be ready if you put him in a microwave till Christmas.
He is just shit.
I never want to see him again.
Any of our 3 loaned mfs would be better than Fleck or McKnob
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Yeah, great sensible and reasoned reply. They’ll be starting in a game or two, just need a bit more time to get accustomed to the way we play then all systems go. We’re 3 games in, chill the fuck out
 
When we sign these players when the season has already kicked off, why do we waste a month not playing them? Sign the buggers earlier ffs, ready for the FIRST game.
 



nopigfansintown said:
I think they completely overan us in the middle of the park, pinned us back and should've won it. He pinpointed the one weakness they had the personnel to exploit. Boro in truth are a pretty poor outfit that we should be beating fairly comfortably imo.
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“I think they completely overan us in the middle of the park”

For me, this is the biggest concern. Are there really no other starters for the middle two positions? Or even one. Fleck looks shot before the hour is up in the colder days, let alone at possibly 30C! Will cost us more points long term with N&F together there than bringing McBurnie on, (who if was chosen to attack that ball can hardly be blamed for a player being unmarked. Especially if it’s one of the more popular players doing it)
 
dellasthunderbolt said:
Yeah, fucking draw away at a team who will probably be up there this season. Diabolical - he should walk!
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Game we should've won tbh mate at 2-1 swap fleck an ndiaye for a bit more creativity an we would've taken all 3, it's about been brave sometimes he who dares wins. But a point is a good point away from home
 
Fuck me it’s a decent point away from home in a game we’d have lost this time last season.

It wasn’t long ago a similar 11 got beat by Mansfield & Barnsley!

We’ll be up there at the end of the season and points like this away from home will be the reason why we are
 
BettingBlade said:
I’ve explained this on a number of occasions on this forum.

Away from home we are so slow and negative in possession. We have some of the best attacking players in the division but he sets us up away from home in such a way that it completely stifles our flair players. Stoke and Millwall away last season were as bad as anything Slav served up before he was canned.

Its clear we have the ability, because we’ve looked great on the odd occasion when we actually need a result which suggests to me that the manager is purposely choosing to play defensively away from home.

His subs are poor to put it politely, we have no plan B. If a game starts to turn against us he rarely has the ability to change it before the inevitable concession of a goal. We arent aggressive enough to win promotion imo, teams who set up not to lose rarely get promoted from this division and thats exactly what we are.
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The best thing that Slav did was to bring in MGW, without him we would have been no where near the playoffs.
 
A game like this is super frustrating... PH keeps talking about attacking footy and creating chances, yet we play the same neutered squad and expect a different outcome. How Fleck keeps getting put in the squad baffles me.
 
Almosthuman said:
Don't think it's end of world but very concerned that we have some very exciting players on the bench whilst he persists with Norwood and Fleck who again were shite
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Norwood 2 assists two goals shite ?
 
Wizard said:
Don't understand how there are so many that just want to have a moan at every opportunity and are seemingly desperate to see Hecky fail.

Last year we climbed the table after a horrendous start and despite an injury crisis got to the playoffs and almost beat the side that ended up getting promoted.

This year we've signed some exciting young players without letting anyone major depart and we've gone loss, win, draw against 3 tough sides.

Since he came in the direction has been nothing but positive.
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Last year hecky took a play off squad bare minimum with 2/3 of the season left

And that was down to MGW & Berge not hecky

Hecky hasn’t put an ounce of his own idea on this team and a better manager would make is miles better
 
blade too long said:
can't understand the need to knock Heckingbottom

He's working with a budget on a par. with Barnstoneworth
And getting blood out of stones

He turned us round from strugglers into contenders in 8 months

He deserves a crack and 4 points from our start against 2 top 8 sides and a prem teamaway is not that shabby
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I think 90% of the league would dream for the way he's been backed this summer so the budget argument is a bit silly
 
nopigfansintown said:
Boro changed shape and put an extra midfielder on to compound their advantage there. Great management .The move was to go four at the back and match them - we didn't do it. Everyone knows the middle of the park is a huge weakness for us except seemingly our manager ( maybe Doyle is his
solution?).

We are a moments team: we rely purely on the individual quality of our forward players and backline. We dont win a tackle or race in the middle.We are a footballing jellyfish. Or a biscuit with no middle in it.

On the bottler tag. What generally happens with caretakers is they inherit a shitshow - the only way is up. They then improve things as any competent person could. They play open, expansive attacking stuff whilst doing that. The players love them and there's a buzz. They then inherit the job and are in a new position - everything is there fault: the good, the bad. The psychology has completely changed and thus they resort to negative, ultra cautious stuff.

Kevin Blackwell was a great example.
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I didn’t see any open attacking football away from home last season only a don’t lose or hang onto what we’ve got approach - then the last three away games the shackles come off we go on the front foot and look like a free flowing team ( especially QPR and more so Forest)
That’s cautious management up to that QPR gams
Just like Watford away and the last 15 minutes today
 
All this nonsense about players not been read the bloke started sharp who has been injured all summer

He is incapable of playing attacking football unless we have too

He’s like Kevin Blackwell but with good players
 
CaptainMorgans said:
We attacked Middlesbrough (tipped by many to be in the top 6) for most of the game and scored two goals.
I think the criticism is a bit unfair today.

Granted, he wasn't ambitious enough with his subs but hopefully he learns from it.

The teams we're coming up against aren't that good. Go for the jugular.
We went from totally dominant to bringing McBurnie on in case they got some corners.

I think (hope) he's taken a lot from today.
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Same as last season he’s so bloody predictable with his subs
 



BettingBlade said:
I’ve explained this on a number of occasions on this forum.

Away from home we are so slow and negative in possession. We have some of the best attacking players in the division but he sets us up away from home in such a way that it completely stifles our flair players. Stoke and Millwall away last season were as bad as anything Slav served up before he was canned.

Its clear we have the ability, because we’ve looked great on the odd occasion when we actually need a result which suggests to me that the manager is purposely choosing to play defensively away from home.

His subs are poor to put it politely, we have no plan B. If a game starts to turn against us he rarely has the ability to change it before the inevitable concession of a goal. We arent aggressive enough to win promotion imo, teams who set up not to lose rarely get promoted from this division and thats exactly what we are.
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That match today did not sound as if we set up not to lose. We did score twice and could have had more.
JOC and Duffy did not think so and whilst they are biased they do make sense when speaking.
We can only judge his subs when we have seen who plays in the next two matches, given that we have 3 matches in 7 days in hot weather.
 
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