Outgoing? SANDER BERGE ON WAY OUT ?

[Old Programme seller]

It’ll come down to money and that’s it

 

[JJBlade]

Berge leaving on the last day of the window is the most likeliest scenario imo.

Getting injured the day before is the most likely scenario, and not being any use to us on the field or off it

 

[mattbianco1]

I'm sure if you give a footballer the option of challenging for silverware in Belgium or Portugal and playing in the Champions League or playing for Birmingham or Swansea, I can guess which one they choose.

Look at Lunny. You can mock the Scottish league but he's achieved more than any of our players are likely to achieve.

Yeah, but he came to England for PL football.
Hes in England now playing great. What's the easier stepping stone to the PL, a high end Championship club that could get promoted, and if they don't he'll get tapped up by a Leicester, Everton etc...
Or a Champions League club in Belgium that have just paid ~£20m for you and don't need to sell

His ambition is PL.

 

[robbiez666]

Yeah, but he came to England for PL football.
Hes in England now playing great. What's the easier stepping stone to the PL, a high end Championship club that could get promoted, and if they don't he'll get tapped up by a Leicester, Everton etc...
Or a Champions League club in Belgium that have just paid ~£20m for you and don't need to sell

His ambition is PL.

Yes, obviously a Championship club has a much higher profile than a Belgium/Portuguese/French team playing in the Champion's League.

EPL clubs never sign from those kind of teams. Like Sheffield United signing a Norwegian international from the Belgium league.

this will be the 3rd season he will have wasted in his development, because we've become a very high step.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

This season will be brilliant for his development if he plays 40 games and does well, which he clearly would

I don't think he yet has the right to consider the championship as beneath him for development purposes because he hasn't dominated at this level yet

 

[tincan]

He is safe for now, the Blades way will be to sell him and Illy in January when we are top of the league...

 

[Sheff de party]

This season will be brilliant for his development if he plays 40 games and does well, which he clearly would

I don't think he yet has the right to consider the championship as beneath him for development purposes because he hasn't dominated at this level yet

The championship is only below his level of capability. It isn’t below the level he’s delivered.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

The championship is only below his level of capability. It isn’t below the level he’s delivered.

So he may need to swallow his pride and keep delivering like against Millwall and the back end of last season

Then in 5 months time he could find himself on his way back to the PL with us

 

[Sheff de party]

So he may need to swallow his pride and keep delivering like against Millwall and the back end of last season

Then in 5 months time he could find himself on his way back to the PL with us

We’ve all been saying in our Blades group that unless a top team comes in for him he should stay until January. If we’re doing really well, stay out and if we’re not, he goes.

And a top team isn’t coming in for him.

Anyone who thinks this Club Bruges story is anything other than his agent touting his name around is mad. Why on earth would he sign for them?

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

We’ve all been saying in our Blades group that unless a top team comes in for him he should stay until January. If we’re doing really well, stay out and if we’re not, he goes.

And a top team isn’t coming in for him.

Anyone who thinks this Club Bruges story is anything other than his agent touting his name around is mad. Why on earth would he sign for them?

He seemed to have his career mapped out, with high ambition and self belief. Brugge would make zero sense unless he's had a major rethink

I guess a counter argument would be that it was a surprise he signed for us too.....

 

[robbiez666]

Play for a Championship side in England and live in Sheffield in Brexit Britain

or

Play for the Belgium champions and live in Bruges. Added extra of CL football and CB have played Man C, PSG, RB Leipzig, both Madrids, Dortmund in the last few years. Watched by millions around the world and live in the EU.

 

[finlaytheblade]

Play for a Championship side in England and live in Sheffield in Brexit Britain

or

Play for the Belgium champions and live in Bruges. Added extra of CL football and CB have played Man C, PSG, RB Leipzig, both Madrids, Dortmund in the last few years. Watched by millions around the world and live in the EU.

They can't afford him .
15 million? No way!

 

[Champagneblade]

Play for a Championship side in England and live in Sheffield in Brexit Britain

or

Play for the Belgium champions and live in Bruges. Added extra of CL football and CB have played Man C, PSG, RB Leipzig, both Madrids, Dortmund in the last few years. Watched by millions around the world and live in the EU.

Not sure memories of getting hammered by the teams above is what Sander should be looking for.

You could say - play in front of 28,000 fans every other week, if season is good potential to play at Anfield, Old Trafford, the Emirates etc every season. Or get knocked out in Europe at the first hurdle and then play in a league that is so badly organised that if you are top after 34 matches you still aren’t Champions and if you get relegated you have the ignominy of playing against B teams.

Having increased my interest in this area because of our relationship with Beerschot, the Belgium League could be so much better, but it isn’t and they’ve just made 1B so much worse with the addition of B teams rather than proper clubs. Imagine having Man City B in the Championship

The Champions League is so overrated. It’s full of mismatches where most teams are happy just to make up numbers. Is this really what Sander wants to resign himself to? It was better when it was just the team that finished first. The fact you can have a team from Belgium who didn’t even top their own league being in there as Champion and the competition as a whole can be won by a team that finishes only 4th in their own country denigrates it as a legitimate European Champion determiner.

Club Brugge haven’t qualified for the CL knock out stages this century and then some.

Last year Club Brugge lost 4/6 group games and finished last though it was a hard group, granted.

Year before won 2, drew 2 lost 2, then immediately knocked out of the Europa League by Dynamo Kyiv.

Year before dropped into Europa League to be immediately knocked out 6-1 on aggregate by a poor Man U side.

Year before dropped into Europa League to be immediately knocked out by RB Salzburg 5-2.

Year before had a Champions League qualifier against Istanbul Basaksehir which they lost and then their second chance at Europa League vs AEK 3-0 on aggregate.

Year before was in a group with Leicester, Porto and Copenhagen. Lost all 6.

So, unless you’re into collecting air miles as you get your arses handed to you, then there are vast limitations for teams in the Belgium League.

It isn’t their fault. Nothing against Belgium, it’s a relatively small country. They just don’t have the money to compete. But for that very reason, if he’s to fulfil his promise, if and when Sander moves, it should be to a team that can compete.

 

[Nightsweats]

Not sure memories of getting hammered by the teams above is what Sander should be looking for.

You could say - play in front of 28,000 fans every other week, if season is good potential to play at Anfield, Old Trafford, the Emirates etc every season. Or get knocked out in Europe at the first hurdle and then play in a league that is so badly organised that if you are top after 34 matches you still aren’t Champions and if you get relegated you have the ignominy of playing against B teams.

Having increased my interest in this area because of our relationship with Beerschot, the Belgium League could be so much better, but it isn’t and they’ve just made 1B so much worse with the addition of B teams rather than proper clubs. Imagine having Man City B in the Championship

The Champions League is so overrated. It’s full of mismatches where most teams are happy just to make up numbers. Is this really what Sander wants to resign himself to? It was better when it was just the team that finished first. The fact you can have a team from Belgium who didn’t even top their own league being in there as Champion and the competition as a whole can be won by a team that finishes only 4th in their own country denigrates it as a legitimate European Champion determiner.

Club Brugge haven’t qualified for the CL knock out stages this century and then some.

Last year Club Brugge lost 4/6 group games and finished last though it was a hard group, granted.

Year before won 2, drew 2 lost 2, then immediately knocked out of the Europa League by Dynamo Kyiv.

Year before dropped into Europa League to be immediately knocked out 6-1 on aggregate by a poor Man U side.

Year before dropped into Europa League to be immediately knocked out by RB Salzburg 5-2.

Year before had a Champions League qualifier against Istanbul Basaksehir which they lost and then their second chance at Europa League vs AEK 3-0 on aggregate.

Year before was in a group with Leicester, Porto and Copenhagen. Lost all 6.

So, unless you’re into collecting air miles as you get your arses handed to you, then there are vast limitations for teams in the Belgium League.

It isn’t their fault. Nothing against Belgium, it’s a relatively small country. They just don’t have the money to compete. But for that very reason, if he’s to fulfil his promise, if and when Sander moves, it should be to a team that can compete.

You mean this little Belgium?

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[Old Programme seller]

National side doesn’t count most of their players play outside of Belgium

 

[Champagneblade]

You mean this little Belgium?

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That is the definition of a straw man argument!

I’m talking about their domestic league. I’m not for one minute suggesting Belgium cannot produce good players.

I’m suggesting their clubs cannot compete at the highest level.

 

[mattbianco1]

Yes, obviously a Championship club has a much higher profile than a Belgium/Portuguese/French team playing in the Champion's League.

EPL clubs never sign from those kind of teams. Like Sheffield United signing a Norwegian international from the Belgium league.

this will be the 3rd season he will have wasted in his development, because we've become a very high step.

I think you're missing my point.

If his ambition is Premier League. It would be easier to get there in January staying here, than if he signed for a Champions League club now.

short term pain, long term gain.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

I think you're missing my point.

If his ambition is Premier League. It would be easier to get there in January staying here, than if he signed for a Champions League club now.

short term pain, long term gain.

Totally agree. His next move is a big one. If he goes to Brugge he could be stuck playing Belgian football for the next 2-3 years.

 

[mattbianco1]

You mean this little Belgium?

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How many of those players, play in Belgium?

 

[South Sea Blade]

Play for a Championship side in England and live in Sheffield in Brexit Britain

or

Play for the Belgium champions and live in Bruges. Added extra of CL football and CB have played Man C, PSG, RB Leipzig, both Madrids, Dortmund in the last few years. Watched by millions around the world and live in the EU.

Well done!!! You've managed to slag off our own club, city and country there.....and lauded Belgium as the place to be!!! Is that you Ursula???

 

[Nightsweats]

How many of those players, play in Belgium?

My point was about Belgium as a footballing nation. It's internal league quality is not close to ours, but take Belgian and all other none English players out of ours and there wouldn't be a huge gap.

 

[Nightsweats]

That is the definition of a straw man argument!

I’m talking about their domestic league. I’m not for one minute suggesting Belgium cannot produce good players.

I’m suggesting their clubs cannot compete at the highest level.

Neither would ours without Belgian and other overseas players.

 

[mattbianco1]

My point was about Belgium as a footballing nation. It's internal league quality is not close to ours, but take Belgian and all other none English players out of ours and there wouldn't be a huge gap.

Neither would ours without Belgian and other overseas players.

If my Auntie had a cock, she'd be my Uncle.
The players are in England for a reason, because it's one of the best leagues in the World. They flee Belgium for the same reason.
This is also why you find a lot of random African and South American's playing in Belgium and Holland etc. it's a stepping stone to the better leagues.... and easier to get a work permit.

 

[Nightsweats]

If my Auntie had a cock, she'd be my Uncle.
The players are in England for a reason, because it's one of the best leagues in the World. They flea Belgium for the same reason.
This is also why you find a lot of random African and South American's playing in Belgium and Holland etc. it's a stepping stone to the better leagues.... and easier to get a work permit.

Mmm. Interesting. I'd say the only reason they're here and not elsewhere is ££££££££.
Oh and it's flee.
This is Flea... Thought you'd have known what with him being a Blade n all.

 

[Sam Crow]

Hey guys,

I'm a Genkfan that registered here when Sander left us to Sheffield. On our messageboard there's some panicking Sander might move to one of our rivals Bruges. Others (like me) say it isn't realistic. Sander Berge has been playing well, has better options than Bruges and I can't imagine SU not at least wanting to recover the money they spend on him.

What's the opinion here? I can see him leave SU, but not to Bruges. But am I right?

 

[EddieColquhoun]

Play for a Championship side in England and live in Sheffield in Brexit Britain

or

Play for the Belgium champions and live in Bruges. Added extra of CL football and CB have played Man C, PSG, RB Leipzig, both Madrids, Dortmund in the last few years. Watched by millions around the world and live in the EU.

Like the UK, Norwegians voted not to be in the EU.

 

[MobileBlade]

Like the UK, Norwegians voted not to be in the EU.

But they are in EEA, EFTA and Schengen which means free movement of workers.

 

[Balham]

Hey guys,

I'm a Genkfan that registered here when Sander left us to Sheffield. On our messageboard there's some panicking Sander might move to one of our rivals Bruges. Others (like me) say it isn't realistic. Sander Berge has been playing well, has better options than Bruges and I can't imagine SU not at least wanting to recover the money they spend on him.

What's the opinion here? I can see him leave SU, but not to Bruges. But am I right?

You've pretty much summed it up. There's rumoured to be a release clause of somewhere around €40m and last summer it was made clear Berge would only be sold if that was met. He'd spent the second half of 20/21 injured so that was always unlikely.

This summer I think there is an acceptance at United that we are not going to get €40m but equally Berge will not be sold on the cheap, hence us apparently rejecting a few bids. We probably do need to sell but it would take a bid of at least €20m and probably closer to the €25m we paid for us to consider it. Are Bruges really going to spend that much on Berge and if so is it the right move for him? I can't see it personally; I think he's holding out for a move to a top 5 league (top flight in England, Spain, Italy, Germany or France) but suitors who could meet the asking price are limited beyond the Premier League.

 

[Yogi]

Hey guys,

I'm a Genkfan that registered here when Sander left us to Sheffield. On our messageboard there's some panicking Sander might move to one of our rivals Bruges. Others (like me) say it isn't realistic. Sander Berge has been playing well, has better options than Bruges and I can't imagine SU not at least wanting to recover the money they spend on him.

What's the opinion here? I can see him leave SU, but not to Bruges. But am I right?

We would very much like to keep him but I think we accept that if our valuation on him is met then we won’t stand in his way it depends if Bruges can afford him.

 

[Sam Crow]

We would very much like to keep him but I think we accept that if our valuation on him is met then we won’t stand in his way it depends if Bruges can afford him.

On our messageboard someone said the transfer cost SU +/- €23mio. I don't know if that's correct, but it would be ridiculous for a Belgian club to spend that amount of money on one player. Doesn't matter if you're bank account says yes, it's just a bad way of doing business and says a lot about their lack of scouting.

Curious how this will play out.