Forest bid for MGW

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[BLADES1988]

Spunkinn munneh forest will get about 20 points. Changing the entire team with silly mercenaries. Good luck to em but can only see it being embarrassing

 

[sheffieldred]

Can you explain the mercenaries angle beyond lingard? We've had to sign players to cover the loans going back. Samba left so we needed a keeper. What player would meet your approval as a non mercenary? Lowe for 5m?

 

[JayGreen17]

Can see him starting for Wolves, they struggled to score goals last season and Morgan is starting in pre season and created one of the goals tonight.
Looks as though he's about to drop a music video out anytime as well.

Sexy football right there

 

[JayGreen17]

Can you explain the mercenaries angle beyond lingard? We've had to sign players to cover the loans going back. Samba left so we needed a keeper. What player would meet your approval as a non mercenary? Lowe for 5m?

Come back if stay up…

 

[A Storm of Blades]

I’m sure the dressing room will be absolutely fine with a big-time Charlie walking in, looking like a celebrity hatstand, earning 10x everyone else. What could possibly go wrong..?

 

[Houston_Blade]

Those taking the piss out of the Lingard signing are probably the ones advocating him as a signing for us in the relegation season. He’s an expensive but good signing for them. Hope he makes them bankrupt.

 

[Champagneblade]

Those taking the piss out of the Lingard signing are probably the ones advocating him as a signing for us in the relegation season. He’s an expensive but good signing for them. Hope he makes them bankrupt.

He would have been a decent signing for us. But far sooner than Wilder was looking at him.

We were dead and buried that January. He would have been a good signing to replace Lundstram in the managers affections.

As to how to find it, loaning a keeper and not spending on Ramsdale would have helped. Likewise not buying Brewster and replacing O’Connell is how we should have spent the big money that summer.

I get that one player coming in on far more than the rest can upset the apple cart. But if he comes in and he becomes your best player and he’s the reason the team is still on PL wages and not Championship ones the following year, then they’ll have no complaints.

I think it is the sort of signing that could be the difference between staying up and not.

I’m sure their fans will play down his wages. Some reports have got them down from 200,000 to 115,000 initially and now I’m seeing 80,000. If he was on 80,000 only he’s be back at West Ham. What they aren’t sharing is the one off signing on fee. Probably eye watering. “Not a bad free” some of the more deluded will comment. I’d be surprised if he isn’t getting at least 10m to sign on there and I bet his agent is clearing seven figures too. He could even be getting as much as 20m if they could convince the club that’s how much he’d cost in the open market if contracted.

He’s signed as well for just the year so even if it goes well, he can do the same again to line his pockets.

 

[sheffieldred]

It's kind of been happening for years but reckon this is a bit of a watershed moment. With the influence of agents and astronomical transfer fees, if you have 1 year left you would need a compelling reason to stay somewhere otherwise as you say, make the perceived market value for yourself. Its starting to feel a little bit american.

I remember some basketballer shooting 'reveal'videos for about 5 teams and then the real one was shown after a 2 hour live TV special. Feels like that's not too far away.

 

[Teddy]

Aren’t there some advantages to being under contract for a few years? Other than the “soft” reasons like being able to settle somewhere and grow with a team etc what happens if you suffer a career ending injury. If you’ve got 4 years on your contract you can keep drawing a wage while you rehabilitate with world class facilities.

Unless players can just take out massive insurance policies for such things these days?

 

[Bladey_blade]

It's kind of been happening for years but reckon this is a bit of a watershed moment. With the influence of agents and astronomical transfer fees, if you have 1 year left you would need a compelling reason to stay somewhere otherwise as you say, make the perceived market value for yourself. Its starting to feel a little bit american.

I remember some basketballer shooting 'reveal'videos for about 5 teams and then the real one was shown after a 2 hour live TV special. Feels like that's not too far away.

Jesse Lingard "The decision" doesn't quite have the pull of the LeBron James one you reference.
"Ima take my talents to the banks of the Trent"

 

[Bladey_blade]

Jesse Lingard "The decision" doesn't quite have the pull of the LeBron James one you reference.
"Ima take my talents to the banks of the Trent"

But I do see your point, it can be a risky strategy however, referencing back into NBA, the other year a player declined a 21 million multi year extension in the hope of getting more on the open free agency market, he ended up with the minimum (10x less) and is likely to get that or no offers every contract expiry now unless he does something spectacular. I can see the same occuring in football to some if this carries on

 

[Nelson1889]

There's no way that lingard would have picked forest over west ham unless he was purely motivated by money.

Wouldn't suprise me if his agent asked forest for that wage just to get west ham to stick an extra 20 grand on his offer down there and then when they agreed it was too good to turn down.

And a 1 year deal wouldn't convince me he's going to be busting a gut in the last few matches if he was in a relegation fight.

 

[The Crab]

Without knowing too many facts, the incentives must be largely financial.

West Ham are a more established top flight side so it's somewhat surprising from that angle that he's chosen Forest.

On the other hand, a good signing for Forest. He might be on a slight downslope (if he wasn't surely clubs even bigger than West Ham would have been in for him) but he's still a decent quality prem player.

The one year deal is a double edged sword. If Forest go down, they can let him go and mitigate the impact of a longer contract.

But if they stay up and he smashes it, he has the whip hand.

 

[Kanye]

I still fail to see how 5m in wages (c100k per week) plus say a ludicrous signing on fee of 5m making it a round 10m is any worse than paying a club in the same league £32m for MGW who you might pay 2m a year in wages on. I do get the resale value point though

Let me remind you of your cash up front purchases for mcburnie and brewster. That is more dead money than forest will spend on lingard easily.

This is a good point.

Lingard is probably on £50k a year more than Forrest would have had to pay someone like MGW, or another marquee signing. That's only £2.6m a year.

Resale value is nice, but it's not guaranteed. We probably assumed that players like Brewster and McBurnie would have good resale value in the event we wanted/needed to cash in. Look how that worked out.

I prefer MGW to Lingard, but they will probably end up paying less than £10m for the season for Lingard, as opposed to paying around £30m for Gibbs-White.

 

[Champagneblade]

End of the day it depends how he does.

We probably spent 30m in fees and 55k per week in wages for McBurnie and Mousset for the 2 PL seasons. A grand total of 35,7m. Even though these are ‘bad’ buys with no resale, you could still easily make a case that having the second year in the PL makes it justifiable. Even more so if McBurnie were to get up off his death bed and fire a few goals in to help us to promotion. It then depends what happens next. He pisses off to Rangers for nothing. If we went up we might be able to take both Kent and Morelos from Rangers for no fee. Losing McBurnie and getting those two with no fee in or out apart from a signing on fee might look like a steal!

It looks like shit business now because the resale is zero or going to be by the end of the season but easy to make some justification if it gives you a second year. It just so happens we didn’t buy well enough to get a third.

But 200k per week for a year is 10.4m. Even if they paid him a 20m signing on fee, if they stayed up they’d be happy.

It’s if they don’t. That’s 30m gone, no return and still relegated. You could do a lot with training, academy stuff etc with that as we well know.

It’s interesting they both Bournemouth and Fulham have spent nothing. Bournemouth have a couple of modest frees though hopefully they will also be able to boast Schoolboy Looks. Fulham signed Paulinha from Sporting and Pereira from Man U, 26m for the pair but sold Anguissa and Carvalho for the best part of 19m.

It will be interesting. Maybe this is Fulham learning their lesson or maybe they will just go late when the others have done their business.

Whist doing a Fulham became a by-phrase for spending a lot and bringing too many, it will be interesting how Forest do with so many new This is the boom or bust downside to borrowing half your team. In acquiring Henderson, Williams, Richards, O’Brien, Lingard and Awoniyi, they have only in fact managed to replace Samba, Spence, Lowe, Garner, Zinkernagal and Davis. Time will tell if they are all upgrades or not. Cooper is a good manager and I have no axe to grind with him. It’s not easy to forge a team with so many new faces though so it will be interesting to see how he goes about it.

 

[TopBoy]

Decent signing by Forest. A proven performer at that level, on a free and with a 1 year deal no need for a relgation clause. He was superb at West Ham and could be just the player to help Forest finish 4th from bottom.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Madness to move to forest instead of going back to west ham where to be honest he had his only consistent good spell of his career.

He’s a millionaire many times over he’s not going to notice and extra 50k a week to sign for forest, he’s nearly 30 and has pissed away most of his career on the bench being a bit part player instead of making a top flight move 2/3 seasons ago.

He Could have been playing European football for a seemingly decently run (recently at least) West Ham.

Good move for forest though - one year contract doesn’t tie them in to anything too ridiculous

 

[BushBlade]

End of the day it depends how he does.

We probably spent 30m in fees and 55k per week in wages for McBurnie and Mousset for the 2 PL seasons. A grand total of 35,7m. Even though these are ‘bad’ buys with no resale, you could still easily make a case that having the second year in the PL makes it justifiable. Even more so if McBurnie were to get up off his death bed and fire a few goals in to help us to promotion. It then depends what happens next. He pisses off to Rangers for nothing. If we went up we might be able to take both Kent and Morelos from Rangers for no fee. Losing McBurnie and getting those two with no fee in or out apart from a signing on fee might look like a steal!

It looks like shit business now because the resale is zero or going to be by the end of the season but easy to make some justification if it gives you a second year. It just so happens we didn’t buy well enough to get a third.

But 200k per week for a year is 10.4m. Even if they paid him a 20m signing on fee, if they stayed up they’d be happy.

It’s if they don’t. That’s 30m gone, no return and still relegated. You could do a lot with training, academy stuff etc with that as we well know.

It’s interesting they both Bournemouth and Fulham have spent nothing. Bournemouth have a couple of modest frees though hopefully they will also be able to boast Schoolboy Looks. Fulham signed Paulinha from Sporting and Pereira from Man U, 26m for the pair but sold Anguissa and Carvalho for the best part of 19m.

It will be interesting. Maybe this is Fulham learning their lesson or maybe they will just go late when the others have done their business.

Whist doing a Fulham became a by-phrase for spending a lot and bringing too many, it will be interesting how Forest do with so many new This is the boom or bust downside to borrowing half your team. In acquiring Henderson, Williams, Richards, O’Brien, Lingard and Awoniyi, they have only in fact managed to replace Samba, Spence, Lowe, Garner, Zinkernagal and Davis. Time will tell if they are all upgrades or not. Cooper is a good manager and I have no axe to grind with him. It’s not easy to forge a team with so many new faces though so it will be interesting to see how he goes about it.

It’s probably a good time to take a gamble. As you say, Fulham and Bournemouth look like they’re taking a prudent approach and would probably grudgingly accept relegation. Brentford with Eriksen are a bit of an unknown quantity and could suffer a drop in form. Leeds might also struggle. I’m not convinced with Southampton either, very poor again at the end of the season.
That gives a club a fair chance of staying up, as you’d expect at least a couple of those to go down. There’s usually some team you don’t expect to be down there too. A motivated Lingard, if he stays fit, might just be the difference.
But Forest need to hit the ground running and get points on the board. That will take the pressure off and they can play with confidence, catch a few teams out who turn up thinking they’ll get an easy win. A bad start could cause problems, with team spirit, confidence and mentality.
That’s the beauty of football. It’s difficult to predict. It could pan out very differently, maybe Fulham and others get off to a good start and surprise people, maybe some club goes full mental jacket, sacks a decent manager and gets into a relegation battle.
With Forest, all they really have to worry about, if they go down, is meeting FFP requirements. Their owner seems to have too much money to really care about losing a bit, it appears to be a gamble he can easily afford. So, why not?

 

[CaptainMorgans]

It’s probably a good time to take a gamble. As you say, Fulham and Bournemouth look like they’re taking a prudent approach and would probably grudgingly accept relegation. Brentford with Eriksen are a bit of an unknown quantity and could suffer a drop in form. Leeds might also struggle. I’m not convinced with Southampton either, very poor again at the end of the season.
That gives a club a fair chance of staying up, as you’d expect at least a couple of those to go down. There’s usually some team you don’t expect to be down there too. A motivated Lingard, if he stays fit, might just be the difference.
But Forest need to hit the ground running and get points on the board. That will take the pressure off and they can play with confidence, catch a few teams out who turn up thinking they’ll get an easy win. A bad start could cause problems, with team spirit, confidence and mentality.
That’s the beauty of football. It’s difficult to predict. It could pan out very differently, maybe Fulham and others get off to a good start and surprise people, maybe some club goes full mental jacket, sacks a decent manager and gets into a relegation battle.
With Forest, all they really have to worry about, if they go down, is meeting FFP requirements. Their owner seems to have too much money to really care about losing a bit, it appears to be a gamble he can easily afford. So, why not?

Everton have lost Richarlison and not brought anybody in. They don't have a great manager. I think they could also really struggle again.

 

[BushBlade]

Everton have lost Richarlison and not brought anybody in. They don't have a great manager. I think they could also really struggle again.

They signed Tarkowski. It’s an area that needed strengthening because their defence was awful when Mina was missing. I’m sure they’ll bring others in before the window shuts. It’s going to be an interesting season for them though.

 

[ATL Recs]

Slav spunked £100 million when he took Fulham up, only for them to come straight back down again.

We crucified Chris Wilder for spending far less over 2 years.
And took to Slav as the new saviour. - briefly.



Funny old game.

Slav had no control at all over the players brought into Fulham

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Slav spunked £100 million when he took Fulham up, only for them to come straight back down again.

We crucified Chris Wilder for spending far less over 2 years.
And took to Slav as the new saviour. - briefly.



Funny old game.

Wilder spent over 110m on just transfer fees in our two PL seasons.

 

[Davalon]

Enormous gamble imho but if it works.....

I'm sceptical of close we got in the PL but we were only ever going to pay a loan fee including part of his wages.

 

[Skiliman]

Madness to move to forest instead of going back to west ham where to be honest he had his only consistent good spell of his career.

He’s a millionaire many times over he’s not going to notice and extra 50k a week to sign for forest, he’s nearly 30 and has pissed away most of his career on the bench being a bit part player instead of making a top flight move 2/3 seasons ago.

He Could have been playing European football for a seemingly decently run (recently at least) West Ham.

Good move for forest though - one year contract doesn’t tie them in to anything too ridiculous

Heard from someone who works with Maguires dad that he wanted to stay closer to Manchester for his kid. If this is true then it shows how the media have made this move look like itwas about money when it was quite the opposite (didnt he turn newcastle down in January too? ££)

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Heard from someone who works with Maguires dad that he wanted to stay closer to Manchester for his kid. If this is true then it shows how the media have made this move look like itwas about money when it was quite the opposite (didnt he turn newcastle down in January too? ££)

So why did he turn down Everton then? couldn't be any closer to Manchester and a bigger club than scabs.

 

[Rudders]

Lingard is supposedly on £250k per week and Henderson on £150k, so thats well over £12M on 2 players for one season just in wages. And they still haven't addressed their awfully slow central defence which I think will get caught out quite a bit at that level.
It's also a huge step up to manage the big egos as wilder found out.
Cooper has got a lot on.

 

[Skiliman]

So why did he turn down Everton then? couldn't be any closer to Manchester and a bigger club than scabs.

Playing time maybe? I have no idea just passing on what I’d been told.

 

[sheffieldred]

Lingard is supposedly on £250k per week and Henderson on £150k, so thats well over £12M on 2 players for one season just in wages. And they still haven't addressed their awfully slow central defence which I think will get caught out quite a bit at that level.
It's also a huge step up to manage the big egos as wilder found out.
Cooper has got a lot on.

It'll be 300k a week before the day is out.

I think cooper has what it takes to go all the way to the top as a manager so if that is the case it is a good test for him in managing egos

 

[Mojo]

Lingard is supposedly on £250k per week and Henderson on £150k, so thats well over £12M on 2 players for one season just in wages. And they still haven't addressed their awfully slow central defence which I think will get caught out quite a bit at that level.
It's also a huge step up to manage the big egos as wilder found out.
Cooper has got a lot on.

Niakhate is no slouch in fairness