well that will cancel some trips to Qatar

[Houston_Blade]

Think I might struggle in qatar

The choice of draught used to be:

Stella, Carlsberg, Hoegaarden and Leffe in most bars. They also had Victoria Bitter in a good few.

The off licence sold a bit more variety of beers in bottles. Paulaner was sold in a lot of bars in bottles, Corona and Becks as well.

The bloke who ran the off licence procurement worked for Qatar Airways and was a mate of mine and he was trying to get craft beer into Qatar but not sure if he was successful.

Inter_blade83 might know?

 

[Dkc]

Surprises me. Maybe we just know a different group of plenty of England Fans. Plenty I know from my travels supporting the team are very understanding and supportive of players continuing to take a knee.

I'm extremely bothered about England players skin colour. I want any England player who feels they have been discrimated against because of their skin colour to feel any solidarity I can offer.

How long do you think we should continue to 'take the knee'? It's now more than two years since the murder of George Floyd. The people I hang about with aren't at all racist (and some are non-white) but the majority see this gesture as empty and meaningless, a result of our obsession with what's 'trending' in the USA and our eagerness to be seen as more virtuous than others. The fact that the knee-taking is greeted with boos from England fans doesn't mean such fans are racist - it means that they just want to see a game of football without gesture politics supporting anti-racism or any other trending cause.

Normal, anti-racist football fans are going to boo this gesture as long as it continues, and this is having a distracting and negative effect on the game. Isn't it about time to realise that many fans support the message, but prefer football to be free of pre-match gestures of any kind?

 

[jt64]

How long do you think we should continue to 'take the knee'?

They're just consulting on an appropriate gesture to highlight support for Ukraine, and then they'll do that instead until Putin's out of office

 

[Hodgesleftpeg]

The choice of draught used to be:

Stella, Carlsberg, Hoegaarden and Leffe in most bars. They also had Victoria Bitter in a good few.

The off licence sold a bit more variety of beers in bottles. Paulaner was sold in a lot of bars in bottles, Corona and Becks as well.

The bloke who ran the off licence procurement worked for Qatar Airways and was a mate of mine and he was trying to get craft beer into Qatar but not sure if he was successful.

Inter_blade83 might know?

I’ll be 3 weeks dry then, just in time for Christmas I suppose, any idea on prices? I’ve heard £12 for a pint of wattery piss style stuff

 

[Inter_blade83]

The choice of draught used to be:

Stella, Carlsberg, Hoegaarden and Leffe in most bars. They also had Victoria Bitter in a good few.

The off licence sold a bit more variety of beers in bottles. Paulaner was sold in a lot of bars in bottles, Corona and Becks as well.

The bloke who ran the off licence procurement worked for Qatar Airways and was a mate of mine and he was trying to get craft beer into Qatar but not sure if he was successful.

Inter_blade83 might know?

I don't drink, but I can put out some feelers amongst some of the lads.

 

[Dkc]

They're just consulting on an appropriate gesture to highlight support for Ukraine, and then they'll do that instead until Putin's out of office

Hope the Azov Batallion aren't involved in the consultation process.

 

[Rufus Smalls]

Always laugh when folk talk of that Golden Generation, they won fuck all and Southgate has got us further in competitions.

Agreed, that squad was as badly managed as todays lot and under achieved. But I still believe the 2006 England team would beat the 2022 version.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

How long do you think we should continue to 'take the knee'? It's now more than two years since the murder of George Floyd. The people I hang about with aren't at all racist (and some are non-white) but the majority see this gesture as empty and meaningless, a result of our obsession with what's 'trending' in the USA and our eagerness to be seen as more virtuous than others. The fact that the knee-taking is greeted with boos from England fans doesn't mean such fans are racist - it means that they just want to see a game of football without gesture politics supporting anti-racism or any other trending cause.

Normal, anti-racist football fans are going to boo this gesture as long as it continues, and this is having a distracting and negative effect on the game. Isn't it about time to realise that many fans support the message, but prefer football to be free of pre-match gestures of any kind?

Me. I strongly prefer politics in sport. From the Tommie Smith salute in Mexico. Through the damage at Bramall Lane as part of the Stop The Seventy Tour. To Rhian Brewster mimicking the Smith Salute as Didzy organised Utd players to take the knee. I find it powerful and affirming.

I was in Bulgaria. When a simple stance by England players & fans (and it must be said on this occasion UEFA), sent out the most powerful message that racism in grounds won't be tolerated.

I'll answer your question honestly. I couldn't give two fucks how long England & SUFC players continue to take the knee. Up to them. Next week. When I'm dead. Doesn't matter to me. Why would it?

I mean, it happens to be in support of a message I agree with. So, when they do it, I think - good on yer.

You crack on. Obsession this. Virtue that. Gestureoony. Distracting thingy. Negative what's it. Happy to hear those views.

At England games, I'm not hearing boos from England fans at the taking of the knee. And, I don't expect to hear booing when they stop taking the knee. I support it but I can't get my knickers twisted by it in the way you claim those you hang around with seem to.

 

[Cheesebored]

How long do you think we should continue to 'take the knee'? It's now more than two years since the murder of George Floyd.

Please tell me you don't believe the taking of the knee in football is solely related to the murder of George Floyd.

 

[BushBlade]

How long do you think we should continue to 'take the knee'? It's now more than two years since the murder of George Floyd. The people I hang about with aren't at all racist (and some are non-white) but the majority see this gesture as empty and meaningless, a result of our obsession with what's 'trending' in the USA and our eagerness to be seen as more virtuous than others. The fact that the knee-taking is greeted with boos from England fans doesn't mean such fans are racist - it means that they just want to see a game of football without gesture politics supporting anti-racism or any other trending cause.

Normal, anti-racist football fans are going to boo this gesture as long as it continues, and this is having a distracting and negative effect on the game. Isn't it about time to realise that many fans support the message, but prefer football to be free of pre-match gestures of any kind?

I disagree. It may be an empty gesture in the eyes of some but I don’t see why that in itself is a good reason to boo it. There isn’t any nuance in making cattle noises. Taking the knee is an anti-racism statement and if you boo it, it just looks like you disagree with anti-racism, or, that you’re a racist. It’s far too much of a proactive response to be considered to be merely ambivalence.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

I don't drink, but I can put out some feelers amongst some of the lads.

Although I'm now a variety trumps quality trumps quantity drinker, I'm afraid I have served before the flag on the Unsustainable Units Of Alcohol battalion. When I went to Doha for Brazil v England in 2009, my "attitude" was fuck it, I'm going to get slaughtered. The venue I found myself in was serving Foster's and nothing but Foster's. So, slaughtered (beautifully) on Foster's it was. Just the way we rolled in those days. (FFS)

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Best team in 60 years ?

From the 2006 World Cup squad ……

A.Cole, Terry, Ferdinand, Gerrard, Lampard, Beckham, Rooney, Owen, J.Cole would all walk into last night’s starting 11.

I forgot that the England teams success was based on what they had achieved for the club teams

 

[Klaatu Barada Nikto]

Me. I strongly prefer politics in sport. From the Tommie Smith salute in Mexico. Through the damage at Bramall Lane as part of the Stop The Seventy Tour. To Rhian Brewster mimicking the Smith Salute as Didzy organised Utd players to take the knee. I find it powerful and affirming.

How about Paolo Di Canio giving a fascist salute?

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

How about Paolo Di Canio giving a fascist salute?

I'm not sure what question you're asking. Do I support football players making a fascist salute? No.

Is there an equivalence between that salute & taking the knee? No.

Was there a groundswell of support for Di Canio immediately after that gesture? With many players & clubs feeling it was an appropriate gesture and committing to continuing it on a match by match basis? No.

I'm not sure of the exact circumstances. The claim was it was Roman, not Fascist wasn't it? Did Di Canio consider it a political gesture? I've no idea if I'm honest. Silly thing to do. What a ninny. Give him a telling off innit. I certainly don't remember getting into a tizz myself about it.

EDIT - if it helps, I'll gladly say - I strongly prefer MY politics in sport...
If the England team gave a fascist salute before games (they have done that of course) I would DEFFO boo.

 

[Bladeloyal]

Me. I strongly prefer politics in sport. From the Tommie Smith salute in Mexico. Through the damage at Bramall Lane as part of the Stop The Seventy Tour. To Rhian Brewster mimicking the Smith Salute as Didzy organised Utd players to take the knee. I find it powerful and affirming.

I was in Bulgaria. When a simple stance by England players & fans (and it must be said on this occasion UEFA), sent out the most powerful message that racism in grounds won't be tolerated.

I'll answer your question honestly. I couldn't give two fucks how long England & SUFC players continue to take the knee. Up to them. Next week. When I'm dead. Doesn't matter to me. Why would it?

I mean, it happens to be in support of a message I agree with. So, when they do it, I think - good on yer.

You crack on. Obsession this. Virtue that. Gestureoony. Distracting thingy. Negative what's it. Happy to hear those views.

At England games, I'm not hearing boos from England fans at the taking of the knee. And, I don't expect to hear booing when they stop taking the knee. I support it but I can't get my knickers twisted by it in the way you claim those you hang around with seem to.

All I'm hearing at England matches is booing of the opponent's national anthems.piss poor

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

All I'm hearing at England matches is booing of the opponent's national anthems.piss poor

Fuck Sake are you back here pulling my chain again. I'll yield to NO ONE. National Anthems are silly pantomime. You have to boo them. You just have to. Some people say it shows disrespect to the opposition. Good - that's what I've fucking come for.

 

[Pedro Verde]

I stopped watching England football matches about 20 years ago. The national team no longer represents who I am. I actually smiled when I saw the score after tonights game had finished. Southgate and his players can fuck off!

I love my country, but the England football team has nothing to do with the country itself. Southgate is just another pc wanker and the players overpaid mercenaries. So pleased that it was Hungary that bent Southgate over and humiliated him.

Totally agree with you
I stopped watching in the Gerrard / Lampard / Rooney era overpaid pussies that was then
They are even more overpaid these days. I have zero interest in the England football team

 

[Bladeloyal]

Fuck Sake are you back here pulling my chain again. I'll yield to NO ONE. National Anthems are silly pantomime. You have to boo them. You just have to. Some people say it shows disrespect to the opposition. Good - that's what I've fucking come for.

Thank fuck I've no interest in the national side . And I thought you was there for the craft beer

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

No "overpaid" footballer gets paid a penny for playing for England. For me, the absence of surrounding, boring financial & contract & window bollocks is one of the main attractions of International Football.

In my lifetime, England have NEVER had to choose between signing a journeyman wing half on a last pay day & fixing the training ground roof. That gives me a warm glow...

 

[Dkc]

Please tell me you don't believe the taking of the knee in football is solely related to the murder of George Floyd.

No, it's a phenomenon started by the US footballer Colin Kaepernick to protest about police brutality and racial inequality that was popularised by the Black Lives Matter movement following the murder of George Floyd in the US. The gesture went viral in the UK a little over two years ago, and has been with us ever since.

 

[Klaatu Barada Nikto]

EDIT - if it helps, I'll gladly say - I strongly prefer MY politics in sport...
If the England team gave a fascist salute before games (they have done that of course) I would DEFFO boo.

Well there you go, political opinions are allowed in football as long as they match yours.

 

[Dkc]

Me. I strongly prefer politics in sport. From the Tommie Smith salute in Mexico. Through the damage at Bramall Lane as part of the Stop The Seventy Tour. To Rhian Brewster mimicking the Smith Salute as Didzy organised Utd players to take the knee. I find it powerful and affirming.

I was in Bulgaria. When a simple stance by England players & fans (and it must be said on this occasion UEFA), sent out the most powerful message that racism in grounds won't be tolerated.

I'll answer your question honestly. I couldn't give two fucks how long England & SUFC players continue to take the knee. Up to them. Next week. When I'm dead. Doesn't matter to me. Why would it?

I mean, it happens to be in support of a message I agree with. So, when they do it, I think - good on yer.

You crack on. Obsession this. Virtue that. Gestureoony. Distracting thingy. Negative what's it. Happy to hear those views.

At England games, I'm not hearing boos from England fans at the taking of the knee. And, I don't expect to hear booing when they stop taking the knee. I support it but I can't get my knickers twisted by it in the way you claim those you hang around with seem to.

My friends and I are not 'getting our knickers twisted' about anything. Simply expressing an alternative view. We aren't racist, but don't like the precedent of players making 'virtuous' gestures before the start of games.

You can take the knee as many times as you want. It's a free country so fill yer boots. But as long as it's a free country you're going to have to accept the fact that people who don't agree with gesture politics might want to make their feelings heard too.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Well there you go, political opinions are allowed in football as long as they match yours.

Genuinely. Do you think that is unusual or odd or weird? That's what I'd expect anyone to believe.

I have a slight issue with your use of "allowed", I would pitch my own position as - I support political opinions in football as long as they match mine.

But, surely, anyone would support political opinions in football if they match theirs, and not support them if they don't. Or am I missing your point?

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

My friends and I are not 'getting our knickers twisted' about anything. Simply expressing an alternative view. We aren't racist, but don't like the precedent of players making 'virtuous' gestures before the start of games.

You can take the knee as many times as you want mate. Fill yer boots, in fact. But as long as it's a free country you're going to have to accept the fact that other people who don't agree with gesture politics might want to make their feelings heard.

Yes. Of course. I wouldn't want it any other way. It would, of course, be best to take it up with the players. It's them doing the thing you don't like.

 

[Klaatu Barada Nikto]

Genuinely. Do you think that is unusual or odd or weird? That's what I'd expect anyone to believe.

I have a slight issue with your use of "allowed", I would pitch my own position as - I support political opinions in football as long as they match mine.

But, surely, anyone would support political opinions in football if they match theirs, and not support them if they don't. Or am I missing your point?

The point is, do you only support the right of people to make political opinions in football, but only if they match yours?

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

The point is, do you only support the right of people to make political opinions in football, but only if they match yours?

No

For clarity, if you'd asked a simpler question

"Can people make political opinions in football that differ from yours?"
The answer would be a resounding Yes.
(Although I obviously wouldn't support those opinions)

 

[Cheesebored]

No, it's a phenomenon started by the US footballer Colin Kaepernick to protest about police brutality and racial inequality that was popularised by the Black Lives Matter movement following the murder of George Floyd in the US. The gesture went viral in the UK a little over two years ago, and has been with us ever since.

MLK (Jnr) 1965

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

The point is, do you only support the right of people to make political opinions in football, but only if they match yours?

Is that what's going on? Do you think people like me are stopping you (or hypothetical others) from expressing their political opinions in football? (That's a genuine - trying to understand - question btw).

 

[Klaatu Barada Nikto]

Is that what's going on? Do you think people like me are stopping you (or hypothetical others) from expressing their political opinions in football? (That's a genuine - trying to understand - question btw).

I support the taking of the knee, or rather did, I think it's outlived it's usefulness now.

But we have to acknowledge that that support has opened Pandora's box on what opinions are allowed in sport.

 

[Dkc]

MLK (Jnr) 1965

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I'm fully aware that the gesture is older than Kaepernick but it's his gesture that started the modern phenomenon of 'taking the knee'