Today's Jubilee Looky-Likey

[AWetFlannel]

I'm sure you could emigrate, if living in a monarchy offends you so much . The queen works till she's 96 plus and still doesn't command your respect . unbelievable

"Works".

Lol

 

[pommpey]

Yep and they would have none of them if they weren't the born into the monarchy. So it makes no difference

And no doubt had 'a man' been collared for partaking in a vile sex trafficking ring where a 17 year old was the victim of a sexual assault the event wouldn't have made it off the pages of the local papers into the mainstream news. Please try not to deliberately mistake what I have said there, because I know you'll try.

I'll ask again. Why have you totally changed your stance?

I'll reply again. I haven't. TTK has achieved nothing, as I said it wouldn't

You've now backtracked totally on taking the knee.

Please see above

You equated your ancestors suffering as being the same as the suffering of black people. I called it out at the time and you were your usual arrogant self spouting masses of complete garbage thinking that won you the argument.

No. Once again (and pay attention) I equated the hijacking of a clear unlawful death by well drilled organisations and the articulation then into slavery (which, um this country has done with for well over a hundred and fifty years) as a little ripe given our own ancestors were victims of raids and slavery from the mainland and Africa. From indigenous Britons there is no TTK or finger pointing. We are expected to accept 'it happened because shit was different back then'. So the equivalence is valid and my point stands. And, given middle eastern countries have a wider arc of slavery practice that exists to this day, and African tribes were absolutely instrumental in the capture and trade of west African slaves with European traders, where is the context regarding that little aspect? Of course, by now there is too much for you to take in and you're sat there with piss leaking out of your cock in anger because I simply won't back down. But why should I? These are the facts. They are all there in history to judge by, if you care to not skip the inconvenient bits just to get to the bits which reinforce your biases. Be clear - the UK is a historic abuser of people's human rights. But compared to many you fail to acknowledge (and there are quite some names) we are small potatoes.

pommpey

If you can't explain your u turn let's leave it.

No U turn

pommpey

 

[Barney]

Look nowt alike tbf. Matey in the helmet is Ben Shapiro though.

 

[Bladesthorpe]

But just think how many extra tourists they would pull in if they had a King of Ireland.

USA, Germany and France have no monarchy but more tourists and take more money than us.

 

[Jon Bon II]

But just think how many extra tourists they would pull in if they had a King of Ireland.

They do. It's a gypsy bare knuckle fighter.

 

[vegleeds]

This is what 3-GBlade posted yesterday

Oh dear.
I think you need to work out what the gate referred to is....

It may help you stop being foolish again.

This was in response to my post:

"Verse 3 of All Things Bright and Beautiful:

"The rich man in his castle,
The poor man at his gate,
God made them, high and lowly,
And ordered their estate."

It's now 24 hours since I asked 3-GBlade to enlighten me about "the gate" and I'm shocked not to have received a response. Loads of stuff about this verse if you google but I've found absolutely nothing there about "the gate". Anybody know what 3-GBlade was wittering on about? If there's no forthcoming credible explanation, I think my friend will have to apply the "it may help you stop being foolish again" comment 180 degrees to themself.

I don't need to be a vegan to spot somebody aiming for the forum plum of the week award but for me, 3-GBlade is fighting it out with the forums own Captain Birdseye, appropriately the master of the amateur cod-psychology put down.

 

[AWetFlannel]

How many more Doctors do you think you’d get? My guess, less than a hundred a year by the time training and their costs plus associated share of overheads is accounted for. On the other hand, the Royal Family generate huge revenues for this Country, far in excess of their “cost”. However, trying to reduce the debate to a balance sheet exercise rather misses the point- you’re either a Royalist or Republican and the fiscal argument is never going to trump either position.

Always remembered watching these regarding the cost of the royal family, not seen anything which proves otherwise. Whatever it works out as, one more doctor is better than the royal family, a hundred are without question.

 

[Bladepicker]

Desperate? Not really it's very obvious. Where do you think the £12m came from. Or is that just speculation as well? It's cost me a six pence to get a peado off the hook. Oh brilliant I take it all back I'm so grateful to have

It didn't get a paedo off the hook. It was a civil case so he wouldn't have been found guilty as in a court of law, as the balance of probabilities is reversed.

In reality it underlines the fact that he probably is a wrong un but in terms of cost, it probably saved some money being a settlement, yet the world still knows he's a dodgy fucker. What got him off the hook is there can't be a criminal trial.

 

[Bashamed]

And no doubt had 'a man' been collared for partaking in a vile sex trafficking ring where a 17 year old was the victim of a sexual assault the event wouldn't have made it off the pages of the local papers into the mainstream news. Please try not to deliberately mistake what I have said there, because I know you'll try.

Justice for sex offenders innit

No. Once again (and pay attention) I equated the hijacking of a clear unlawful death by well drilled organisations and the articulation then into slavery (which, um this country has done with for well over a hundred and fifty years) as a little ripe given our own ancestors were victims of raids and slavery from the mainland and Africa

Absolute horseshit. You must have been embarrassed to type that

No U turn

You have said you now agree with it. And the only thing you can say to justify what's changed is some vague stuff about BLM being discredited. Pretty pathetic

 

[Rodders]

This is what 3-GBlade posted yesterday

This was in response to my post:

"Verse 3 of All Things Bright and Beautiful:

"The rich man in his castle,
The poor man at his gate,
God made them, high and lowly,
And ordered their estate."

It's now 24 hours since I asked 3-GBlade to enlighten me about "the gate" and I'm shocked not to have received a response. Loads of stuff about this verse if you google but I've found absolutely nothing there about "the gate". Anybody know what 3-GBlade was wittering on about? If there's no forthcoming credible explanation, I think my friend will have to apply the "it may help you stop being foolish again" comment 180 degrees to themself.

I don't need to be a vegan to spot somebody aiming for the forum plum of the week award but for me, 3-GBlade is fighting it out with the forums own Captain Birdseye, appropriately the master of the amateur cod-psychology put down.

It’s not pub kicking out time yet

 

[Chingo]

"Works".

Lol

Is it only work if you sweat and get dirty ?

 

[Chingo]

USA, Germany and France have no monarchy but more tourists and take more money than us.

Have a word with yourself , how big are those countries ?

Yes they would be flocking to London if there was no buck palace , Windsor castle or Tower of London , roll up roll up , get your battersey power station tea towels

 

[vegleeds]

Yes they would be flocking to London if there was no buck palace , Windsor castle or Tower of London , roll up roll up , get your battersey power station tea towels

Not sure that turfing out the residents means that the royal palaces would be demolished.

 

[Chingo]

Not sure that turfing out the residents means that the royal palaces would be demolished.

Eh ?

 

[vegleeds]

Eh ?

Sorry! I now realise that you were talking hypothetically about the situation that is if these palaces had never existed.

 

[pommpey]

Justice for sex offenders innit

Is it?

Absolute horseshit. You must have been embarrassed to type that

So, historically, Great Britain hasn't been a victim to foreign excursions with it's citizens subjugated and put to work by occupying nations like France, Scandinavian countries, the former Roman Empire and even the Barbary pirates in the 17th century? I mean, it's easy to dust over it because ... y'know ... skin colour and ethnic origin, but I kinda don't see people ripping statues down and wearing emblems about such atrocities. It did happen, you know. So did the Holocaust. You know what opprobrium people who deny that face, don't you?

You have said you now agree with it. And the only thing you can say to justify what's changed is some vague stuff about BLM being discredited. Pretty pathetic

And I have carefully explained that the gesture of ridding sport of racism is sound, pointless as the manoeuvre to promote it is. Tell me you acknowledge that or show me how TTK has changed attitudes toward BAME players and supporters. It hasn't, has it? I know you are on the back foot about this because you have zero evidence and it is, essentially virtue signalling wrapped up in a failing symbolic movement. Players still take the knee, and racism still exists. Raising the fist and putting BLM symbology on screen compounds the matter and simply disenfranchises brown skinned and far eastern players from being identified as victims of racism and polarises it to black people, itself an intrinsically racist policy. Its saying 'only Black Lives Matter' and saying other races can fight their own battles. 'We matter - you don't, because you are of a different ethnicity'. Nice one.

And BLMs schonky, questionable executive, the financial malfeasance and the whole fucked up concept of 'defund the police' makes it as risible and contemptible a movement as it deserves. If anything, it is obstructing a change in attitudes rather than facilitating and promoting.

I really hope I have made my point of view very clear for you there. If you can't hoist that in, then maybe you do indeed have a problem with cognitive processes.

pommpey

 

[Charlieblade]

That's the defence? You want to see financial records otherwise The Royal Family are in the clear? Stick fingers in the ears and to quote the previous poster - keeping tugging that forlock...

The nuance of the argument was/is that in 2022 The Royal Family is an archaic concept that is outdated and not fit for purpose.

Sweatynonce Gate epitomizes that perfectly...

Not defending Andrew, but as Pompey points out. The financial rescue by her was always based on media speculation. Faced with a lack of any evidence or facts, that’s what they resort to.

Anyway, Elizabeth is still his Mother. Like any other mum, she has a choice. Help her son or kick him out. She has to do one of those things, unlike other mums, whatever she does will be the subject of media attention.

My concern is that she has been so good at her job, what can we possibly expect from her successor? This old lady has to put up with any PM elected by his party, every week. She does this in the full knowledge that her duty and long experience can have little or no bearing on what she might say or think about us. All private.

I am from a working class background in a northern mining town, so I should probably be a socialist. I am not a socialist, but I am an Army veteran. The structure I learned to appreciate comes from my service. It rewards experience and knowledge along with understanding. The head of service is our monarch, because she has the necessary experience and understanding to acquit that role perfectly well. As most service personnel will tell you, we salute the commission carried by officers appointed over us. Make no mistake, every officer has to earn the respect of his subordinates before he can lead. The current monarch has earned my respect. I hated it when my subordinates addressed me as Sir, because as far as I was concerned I worked for a living. My job was to support and represent them. It was a duty I undertook happily, because I respected my self for it.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Monarchy-haters are allus a bit shallow on viable alternatives. You know. Constitutional realignment. Share of power. Executive. Judicial and Presidential privilege and what the executive orders might comprise if needed. Armed Forces structure, Policing, Bill of Rights, upper and lower house and the process of legislature, She's involved in much, if not all of that directly or indirectly. I'd rather her cutting ribbons than some superannuated ex-head of Nissan UK to be honest. At least we know where she came from and her family have human error writ large all over them, regardless of the opulence and regality.

I mean, withdrawing from a fucking horrendous and hateful at times economic bloc has crippled this country, let alone sacking the current head of state for no particular reason but inverted class snobbery and flamethowering a millennia of societal and historic precedent would just be 'oven-ready', wouldn't it?

pommpey

I'm not a hater. Her role is ceremonial. We don't need anyone doing that 'job' .
If people want to live them and go and see them, then that's fine. They don't need to be a supposed part of the process.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Is it only work if you sweat and get dirty ?

It's work if you provide something of use to society. Monarchs used to rule over us because they were thought to have a direct line to God. They had special, superior blood. We don't believe that anymore.

What does she do, and how is it worth our money?

 

[Cheesebored]

Not defending Andrew, but as Pompey points out. The financial rescue by her was always based on media speculation. Faced with a lack of any evidence or facts, that’s what they resort to.

 

[vegleeds]

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[Bashamed]

I really hope I have made my point of view very clear for you there. If you can't hoist that in, then maybe you do indeed have a problem with cognitive processes

I just wanted to know why you don't have an issue with taking the knee anymore when you had a huge issue with it before. Was curious about your cognitive processes there.

I don't think you are going to answer that though so UTB

 

[biggiesablade]

Can't wait for season to start

 

[Chingo]

It's work if you provide something of use to society. Monarchs used to rule over us because they were thought to have a direct line to God. They had special, superior blood. We don't believe that anymore.

What does she do, and how is it worth our money?

Your answer is in a lot of the previous posts , if you can’t see that the royals are a benefit/use to this country that’s your problem and your are in a minority.

 

[Charlieblade]

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Is that supposed to be you looking surprised by my statement? Strange that you missed a chunk of it out. I guess you understood that bit?

 

[Cheesebored]

Is that supposed to be you looking surprised by my statement? Strange that you missed a chunk of it out. I guess you understood that bit?

Yes. I can't actually believe what I've read. Why do you think there was a cash transaction from Her Majesty to Miss Giuffre?

 

[vegleeds]

Your answer is in a lot of the previous posts , if you can’t see that the royals are a benefit/use to this country that’s your problem and your are in a minority.

From the point of view of those that disagree with you, you've probably been brain-washed from birth to assume that the royals "are a benefit/use to this country" and that alas is "your problem". As for being "in a minority" what exactly does this mean? Did we ever have any kind of vote/referendum regarding royalty because I must have missed it? (Only recent constitutional vote I can remember was in 2016 when a minority of the electorate voted for the UK to leave the EU.)

 

[Charlieblade]

Yes. I can't actually believe what I've read. Why do you think there was a cash transaction from Her Majesty to Miss Giuffre?

I suggest you read my post again. I simply agreed with Pompey that the story you suggest was based on press speculation. At NO point did I say or indicate that money had changed hands over the issue.
Maybe it did, or maybe it didn’t. Unless I am responsible for your misunderstanding in some way?

 

[Bladepicker]

It’s now “Jubes” as in “Platty Jubes”

Everytime I read in my head the god awful "Platty Jubes" I do so in the voice of Mel Gedroyc or Sue Perkins and it makes 16 year old me feel shame for cracking several out over them in their light lunch days.

 

[Rodders]

Everytime I read in my head the god awful "Platty Jubes" I do so in the voice of Mel Gedroyc or Sue Perkins and it makes 16 year old me feel shame for cracking several out over them in their light lunch days.

Blimey that’s …… niche