Ben Doane

[super_pig]

>I can definitely beat this one... Jeff is my cousin.
i once snogged your cousin..

jeffs sister

 

[Darren]

Forgive my ignorance,, but does 'common law' mean that it wasn't written down? I was aware that innkeepers had the right to refuse entry to anyone without giving a reason - maybe it's the same common law.

"Common law" is law evolved by the Courts over the years, so there is probably some court judgment back in the mists of time which establishes the principles.

The general principle at common law is that occupiers of private property (like shopkeeepers) can allow (or not allow) or deal with (or not deal with) anyone on their premises at their complete discretion. That is still the law, except where there are statutory exceptions (like discrimination law). So if a shopkeeper refuse to serve you because you supported Sheffield United, that would be perfectly legal.

 

[BladeFisher]

"Common law" is law evolved by the Courts over the years, so there is probably some court judgment back in the mists of time which establishes the principles.

The general principle at common law is that occupiers of private property (like shopkeeepers) can allow (or not allow) or deal with (or not deal with) anyone on their premises at their complete discretion. That is still the law, except where there are statutory exceptions (like discrimination law). So if a shopkeeper refuse to serve you because you supported Sheffield United, that would be perfectly legal.

Well Darren, thereby hangs a tail. You see what I think often happens is that someone who might benefit from discriminatory legislation uses that as an argument when in fact they were the ones who were causing the trouble in the first place. So your mouthy yob, who happens to be from an ethnic minority goes into a shop and is lippy to the shopkeeper who refuses to serve him. Yobby youth argues racial discrimination and shopkeeper is left defending a case of racism (and probably has windows stoved in later).

What really hacks me off is that we are all people. I don't actually give a toss what colour skin you have, you are a person. It is when those smart arses then manipulate the system and what started off as a non racial issue is turned around into one by in fact the perpetrator. I have seen it happen, funny enough in an academic situation where a rather cocky and arrogant Bangladeshi (from Bangladesh not UK) tried to implicate a lecturer that he was being racist by not giving this guy higher marks. Complete tosh, the guy's work was poor but the defence to that is tricky. Overall I think these kind of issues are what causes a lot of mild hostility when genuinely no offence was ever intended. This is in contrast to the blatant racial hatred from those who cannot accept others with a different skin colour.

Anyhow this is way of Ben Doane and thanks for the legal insight.

 

[Sirius]

Regarding the part I have put in bold (above), you surprise me.

Please quote the relevant law.

To the best of my knowledge a shop keeper could refuse to serve anyone, black, white or green

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My year 6 junior school teacher once saw Emmanuel Petit's arse.

How do you know this?

 

[Oreyt]

So if a shopkeeper refuse to serve you because you supported Sheffield United, that would be perfectly legal.

Same stands in Employment Law doesn't it, illustrated by The Designers Republic doing an advert for a graphic designer a few years ago with ''No Blades'' in the spec.

 

[Darren]

Same stands in Employment Law doesn't it, illustrated by The Designers Republic doing an advert for a graphic designer a few years ago with ''No Blades'' in the spec.

An employer can employ whoever he wants subject to the statutory discrimination exceptions - race, sex, religion, disability, sexuality and trade union membership (or non membership) - I think that's the lot.

 

[Oreyt]

An employer can employ whoever he wants subject to the statutory discrimination exceptions - race, sex, religion, disability, sexuality and trade union membership (or non membership) - I think that's the lot.

I think there's a few exceptions like women only healthclubs can discriminate against employing men and a Canadian Bar (or Irish or whatever) can specify the nationality of its staff.

 

[Darren]

I think there's a few exceptions like women only healthclubs can discriminate against employing men and a Canadian Bar (or Irish or whatever) can specify the nationality of its staff.

There are indeed - from memory if the job involves "personal services" to members of a particular sex, you can specify that members of the same sex only be employed and in place like Indian restaurants, Irish bars etc you can specify that staff be of a certain ethnic origin (as you can for actors playing particular parts).

However, these nightclubs that let women in free and make men pay are almost certainly acting unlawfully.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

An employer can employ whoever he wants subject to the statutory discrimination exceptions - race, sex, religion, disability, sexuality and trade union membership (or non membership) - I think that's the lot.

Just think what would have happened if suede hadn't been allowed to put 'no muso's on an advertisement for a guitarist. We might have never been subjected to Bernard butlers pretentious tosh...

 

[JJ Sefton]

Just think what would have happened if suede hadn't been allowed to put 'no muso's on an advertisement for a guitarist. We might have never been subjected to Bernard butlers pretentious tosh...

Behave, McAlmont & Butler were class.

PS I once mugged myself off in a pub in front of Bernard Butler.

 

[Crouchy]

That would be Ben Dover

I knew someone who featured in his ouevre, you will probably not be surprised to learn...

So one of my tenuous links to the Blades is that I saw Ben Doane play and his name sounds a bit like Ben Dover. Ben Dover is married to Linzi Drew and I once saw her in a magazine. I never rated her, incidentally, I was more of a Kirsten Imrie man

 

[Rodders]

Ben Dover and Linzi Drew's son Tyger Drew-Honey plays the oldest child in Outnumbered. Bet his mates were keen to go round his house from school.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

How do you know this?

She told us.

 

[Darren]

Ben Dover and Linzi Drew's son Tyger Drew-Honey plays the oldest child in Outnumbered. Bet his mates were keen to go round his house from school.

I used to be friends with a woman whose professional title was "Strap-On Jane". My other half and I once went round to hers and met her teenage daughters who were quite well aware and unfazed by what mum did...

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Behave, McAlmont & Butler were class.

PS I once mugged myself off in a pub in front of Bernard Butler.

One good song....

 

[judge]

I used to be friends with a woman whose professional title was "Strap-On Jane". My other half and I once went round to hers and met her teenage daughters who were quite well aware and unfazed by what mum did...

Bet that was a long walk home

 

[Jimmy Muir]

I used to be friends with a woman whose professional title was "Strap-On Jane". My other half and I once went round to hers and met her teenage daughters who were quite well aware and unfazed by what mum did...

She's got a very interesting website.

 

[Darren]

She's got a very interesting website.

She's even more interesting in person...

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Bet that was a long walk home

She lives Reading way. so we got the train...

 

[Bladesway]

Just think what would have happened if suede hadn't been allowed to put 'no muso's on an advertisement for a guitarist. We might have never been subjected to Bernard butlers pretentious tosh...

Quit your jibba jabba.

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Just think what would have happened if suede hadn't been allowed to put 'no muso's on an advertisement for a guitarist. We might have never been subjected to Bernard butlers pretentious tosh...

Quit your jibba jabba.

 

[broomhillblade]

"Common law" is law evolved by the Courts over the years, so there is probably some court judgment back in the mists of time which establishes the principles.

The general principle at common law is that occupiers of private property (like shopkeeepers) can allow (or not allow) or deal with (or not deal with) anyone on their premises at their complete discretion. That is still the law, except where there are statutory exceptions (like discrimination law). So if a shopkeeper refuse to serve you because you supported Sheffield United, that would be perfectly legal.

Sorry I couldn't respond earlier, I've been out all day.

From the above common law it would seem that your earlier statement of "it was perfectly legal to refuse to serve people in shops because they were black" was stretching the truth a bit.

There never was a law which said "you may refuse to servie someone because he is black", which it what you implied.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Well, I never thought I'd see a 4 page thread about Ben fucking Doane.

I might start one about Benoit Croissant and see if it takes off in a similar fashion.

 

[Bladesway]

Well, I never thought I'd see a 4 page thread about Ben fucking Doane.

I might start one about Benoit Croissant and see if it takes off in a similar fashion.

Ah an old Championship Manager fave was Ben.

 

[Darren]

Sorry I couldn't respond earlier, I've been out all day.

From the above common law it would seem that your earlier statement of "it was perfectly legal to refuse to serve people in shops because they were black" was stretching the truth a bit.

There never was a law which said "you may refuse to servie someone because he is black", which it what you implied.

Eh?

There is also no law that says you can cross the road without fear of arrest, but that is nevertheless the case. The law does not tell us what we CAN do, it tells us what we CANNOT do.

The most basic principle of English law is that you can do anything unless it is specifically forbidden by law. Hence until refusing to serve someone on racial grounds was specifically made unlawful by the Race Relations Act 1965, it was lawful to refuse to serve someone because they were black.

On the same principle, until 1967 male homosexuality was illegal (because there were specific laws saying it was) whilst lesbianism was legal (because there were no specific laws saying it wasn't).

It really is as simple as that.

 

[JJ Sefton]

All this chatter, we should at least take a look at the fella...

 

[judge]

He is one of my best mates cousin

 

[SESKU Blade]

Ah an old Championship Manager fave was Ben.

And for me, always struggled to keep him settled initially but he usually turned out to be immense. Think I shipped him off to Real Madrid once for about £16m after winning a few trophies.

Best ever buy, Armenian winger Artur Petrossian, bought 5k, regularly double figures for goals & assists, sold for £40m

 

[moDtheGod]

Well, I never thought I'd see a 4 page thread about Ben fucking Doane.

To be fair, at least half of those pages are nothing to do with him!

 

[Bladesway]

And for me, always struggled to keep him settled initially but he usually turned out to be immense. Think I shipped him off to Real Madrid once for about £16m after winning a few trophies.

Best ever buy, Armenian winger Artur Petrossian, bought 5k, regularly double figures for goals & assists, sold for £40m

Ramon Calliste was my best ever. Picked up as a kid from Man U Reserves and won me 4 back to back Champions Leagues as Donny Rovers. The scourge of English football scoring almost a goal a game for about 5 years.

http://www.footballdatabase.eu/football.joueurs.ramon.calliste.12444.en.html

 

[bricktop]

Ramon Calliste was my best ever. Picked up as a kid from Man U Reserves and won me 4 back to back Champions Leagues as Donny Rovers. The scourge of English football scoring almost a goal a game for about 5 years.

http://www.footballdatabase.eu/football.joueurs.ramon.calliste.12444.en.html

Or Mads Timm or Supat Rungratsamee on CM 03/04, guaranteed to score shedloads of goals.

Mind you two promotions in 3 years as Blades manager on FM12, not to be sniffed at.

 

[Notts Blade]

Mind you two promotions in 3 years as Blades manager on FM12, not to be sniffed at.

2 am this morning, last match of the season, a win needed to take me into the Championship play-offs in only my third season as manager. Home against an already relegated Donny Rovers - lost 6-0!

Blades always let you down no matter where