Simon Jordan - got McCabe right, getting Wilder right

[Chingo]

The way our players bust a gut to beat Boro and wilder the other week shows how much the players are not so keen on Cwissy anymore !

 

[Chingo]

He didn't sneak out of the back door

He said i want to stay but you have to give me some assurances

The prince didn't which made his job untenable

It isn't a hard concept to grasp

So the tail should wag the dog ?

 

[BerksBlade]

It isn't a hard concept to grasp

And neither is the concept of the Prince being unable to give assurances because there was no money left.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Given Wilder seemingly lost the dressing room before sneaking out the back door I'm reasonably confident we'd be nowhere near the top 6 if he'd stayed in charge.

Based on what? They gave much more effort under Wilder than in the next game after his sacking under Heckingbottom, and far more effort than under any point in Slav's tenure. "Lose the dressing room" is the biggest myth in football. "Sneak out" is also a funny one: how does one sneak out from the job of managing a Premier League Football team? Didn't you notice he'd left or something?

 

[Chingo]

Based on what? They gave much more effort under Wilder than in the next game after his sacking und Heckingbottom, and far more effort than under any point in Slav's tenure. "Lose the dressing room" is the biggest myth in football. "Sneak out" is also a funny one: how does one sneak out of from the job of managing a Premier League Football team? Didn't you notice he'd left or something?

Why did they play the best they have played all season against him and his team the other week then ?
As the thread on here said after the game “that was personal”

 

[Berkshire Blade]

The amount of blades who dislike our successful managers baffles me.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Why did they play the best they have played all season against him and his team the other weeks then ?
As the thread on here said after the game “that was personal”

It was a big game. Boro were shit and we rolled them over. United have a much better squad when we are anywhere near full strength.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

The good thing with Jordan is that he's one of very few football people in the media who don't have an agenda or some entity that they aren't allowed to piss off,

He works for a phone in sports radio station if you can't see the agenda they have, to say controversial stuff that gets people talking, I have some magic beans to sell you.

 

[nopigfansintown]

The amount of blades who dislike our successful managers baffles me.

The only manager that escaped that to a large degree was Harris. It's a strange phenomenon but United fans are far more comfortable being shit.

 

[blades95]

Why is he getting wilder right ?

Wilder left because the prince told him we would only be able to sign loan players and that would be financed by selling 2 major players

CW said either we have one go at it or i leave

He left and we did exactly what the prince said to CW this time last year

In hindsight if we would have kept CW and had a sensible go at it for one season we would have cakewalked the league

Instead poundland princer sacked the manager who he hired after 3 months because he wasn't given what he was promised and we appointed a glorified Youth team coach

All this anti CW nonsense is BS yes he through a strop but he was also the best manager we have had or the second best ever

Those are FACTS

 

[Chingo]

It was a big game. Boro were shit and we rolled them over. United have a much better squad when we are anywhere near full strength.

We wasn’t at full strength against them !

 

[kopstander79]

Who the fuck is Simon Jordan to tell anyone they should be ruling themselves out of job? It's really really simple Simon keep your pompous nose out of his business. Guys just a total cunt

I mean it was on talksport where this might shock you but they talk
About sport stories and

SJ actually talks a lot of sense too to be fair. He also regularly explains where he went wrong during his ownership of Palace.

I don't care for this 'you have no right to discuss football' rubbish. I'd rather listen to him making a fair argument (even if you don't agree with it) than some of the waffle you hear from actual footballers like Agbonlahor & Jamie O'hara.

ye or the usual who’s better ronaldo or messi

He didn't sneak out of the back door

He said i want to stay but you have to give me some assurances

The prince didn't which made his job untenable

It isn't a hard concept to grasp

Hang on he’s signed a contract to manage the football club to coach the players and to get results 2 of them things he wasn’t doing before he left he made the job untenable himself .
What he needed to do was get results coach the players and come up wirh some different ideas /formations he failed to do either he then played the bargaining chip and lost .

 

[dc_blade]

I do think we'd have gone back up this season if Wilder had stayed--what Heckingbottom has achieved suggests that. I also think it's true that some of his signings may turn out to be less terrible than they looked during the relegation season: Brewster, Bogle, possibly even Berge could end up recouping some of their costs. We might even make a profit on Lowe if Forest go up.

But I don't think it's correct to blame the relegation on one injury (JOC) or the prince not backing him/changing plans. A good manager would've found a way to get more out of the squad than Wilder managed at the beginning of last season. He seemed too focused on making excuses and blaming other people. By the time he left there was simply no way he could continue as manager due to the constant public sniping against the ownership. I don't think the breakdown in that relationship was all his fault but it was at least partly his fault.

I've just seen the clip of him refusing to answer the question about Burnley after the Boro game yesterday. To me it's the worst of Wilder: chippy and arrogant. If he does jump ship to Burnley it reflects poorly on him, in my opinion. I also think it's a poor career choice.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

And neither is the concept of the Prince being unable to give assurances because there was no money left.

But there was money to hire and then sack slav

Pay for MGW/B Davies / Olsen

Also pay for the depreciation in assets after appointing a manager who doesn't suit our playing squad

 

[nopigfansintown]

We wasn’t at full strength against them !

No, but we had Bill who makes us twice the side we are without him. Also RND who has been inexplicably dropped.

 

[Wincobank S9 Blade]

Interesting, what did he say about McCabe genuinely can’t remember.
Also found this quite funny is it to do with the Burnley job?

 

[Chingo]

But there was money to hire and then sack slav

Pay for MGW/B Davies / Olsen

Also pay for the depreciation in assets after appointing a manager who doesn't suit our playing squad

So you’re saying he left because we wouldn’t give him more more … then post we did spend money ?

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

No, but we had Bill who makes us twice the side we are without him. Also RND who has been inexplicably dropped.

Why was RND droppable ?

 

[Gimli]

Wilder was great
Wilder threw his toys out of the pram
Wilder wasted (spunked) money
Wilder then did badly and we got found out

Can’t it be both, or in this case all 4 (insert meme here...)??

It’s possible to have great respect for Wilder, to have had a fantastic journey whilst we sailed up the leagues, but also to feel disappointed that he failed once we had a few pennies to spend and then feel let down by how it all ended.

I still like the bloke a lot for the good times he delivered to BDBL but I don’t feel like he’s some sort of messianic figure like I once did.

 

[Chingo]

Interesting, what did he say about McCabe genuinely can’t remember.
Also found this quite funny is it to do with the Burnley job?

Arrogant git

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

So you’re saying he left because we wouldn’t give him more more … the come in saying what money has been spent ???

He left because the prince said there would be no permanent signing and there would be selling 2 major sales

All said in the united way pod with the prince^^^^^

I don't know what wilder was asking for but I doubt it was more than hiring slav and sacking him plus paying for players who aren't even our own players come June 1st

 

[Chingo]

He left because the prince said there would be no permanent signing and there would be selling 2 major sales

All said in the united way pod with the prince^^^^^

I don't know what wilder was asking for but I doubt it was more than hiring slav and sacking him plus paying for players who aren't even our own players come June 1st

So how much would Slav and the loans have cost ?
And if the players he was planning on bringing in here if the prince would have backed him … again were Balogon and Connelly we wouldn’t have gone up this season under him!

 

[SB_90]

Wilder spunked away , what is it £114? million.

are we still chatting about this

yes wilder spend that money but it was 50/50 as has been wildly known for years, Wilder wanted domestic talent, the club/prince couldnt afford it so wanted Overseas talent, but Wilder was worrying about the stereotype of downing tools when it gets tough. abit like payet. so they compromised & we we ended up with cheaper domestic talent, & we had the lowest wage budget in the premier league

 

[him behind you]

Why is he getting wilder right ?

Wilder left because the prince told him we would only be able to sign loan players and that would be financed by selling 2 major players

CW said either we have one go at it or i leave

He left and we did exactly what the prince said to CW this time last year

In hindsight if we would have kept CW and had a sensible go at it for one season we would have cakewalked the league

Instead poundland princer sacked the manager who he hired after 3 months because he wasn't given what he was promised and we appointed a glorified Youth team coach

All this anti CW nonsense is BS yes he through a strop but he was also the best manager we have had or the second best ever

Those are FACTS

Those are YOUR FACTS

 

[Tarqs]

are we still chatting about this

yes wilder spend that money but it was 50/50 as has been wildly known for years, Wilder wanted domestic talent, the club/prince couldnt afford it so wanted Overseas talent, but Wilder was worrying about the stereotype of downing tools when it gets tough. abit like payet. so they compromised & we we ended up with cheaper domestic talent, & we had the lowest wage budget in the premier league

Pretty sure Norwich had the lowest wage budget.

Wilder didn't just want domestic talent, he wanted players that were totally unachievable. He wanted our wage structure smashed.

Callum Wilson is a fine player, but he's hardly reliable, he's as much time in the medical room as on the pitch. Also he was on 80k a week.
We were never paying 35m and 70k a week on Ollie Watkins.

The asks were totally unrealistic.

 

[him behind you]

The downturn had already begun. Have a look at the results and league table.

I’m not a McBurnie knocker but you’re taking the piss when you say his value increased. When did that happen?

The downturn had started the season before he left.....when our only plan started to get found out and combated by the Premier league coaches.

 

[Alan Birchenall's hair]

The thoughts of anyone associated with Crystal Palace are of no consequence to me. They've always seemed a strange set, along with Coventry and Reading. Are they actually a real club, or something that wafts down through the ether occasionally, like the dopey teenagers they have with big flags pretending they're Italian Ultras at The San Siro......

 

[LJBlade]

I wonder if Simon Jordan would have carried on working for Halifax and Northampton without getting paid

Of course not but that is completely against what Simon Jordan is saying.

 

[Davalon]

I wonder if Simon Jordan would have carried on working for Halifax and Northampton without getting paid

Do you think Wilder would do the same now having reached this level, with the ability to get other well paid jobs?

 

[SB_90]

Pretty sure Norwich had the lowest wage budget.

Wilder didn't just want domestic talent, he wanted players that were totally unachievable. He wanted our wage structure smashed.

Callum Wilson is a fine player, but he's hardly reliable, he's as much time in the medical room as on the pitch. Also he was on 80k a week.
We were never paying 35m and 70k a week on Ollie Watkins.

The asks were totally unrealistic.

but the money in premier league is completely unrealistic. especially at the top we were playing man city who earn in a week what we earned in a month. that was on level playing field, also what money are southampton, Palace, Villa, Leeds spending to be 12th, 13rd, 15th & 16th

trying to compete with Newcastle was unrealistic, but after finishing in top 10 of PL you would thought we would be able to compete with championship bournemouth, but strong rumour was wilson wouldve had to take a pay cut to join us