Major Rant

[Northyorksblade]

But that's daft, because that would include forces killed in ww1 & 2. There's no need for a separate day. We have Armistice Day, commonly called Rememberance Day, to remember all members of the forces killed in combat. I feel you are being a bit pedantic. Spent Friday night at an army dinner where we remembered fallen friends, last night at an event with current soldiers, many of whom have served several tours in Afghanistan and Iraq and are proud to serve their country all decent young men and women and am now off to the local war memorial to pay my respects. Doesn't matter to me when soldiers were killed, this weekend, in particular they are all remembered.

 

[sitwell]

Yes we should, if they have fought under the Union Flag they should be honoured, whichever Century .....

And Sitwell, dont be shy about letting us know how your lad and his mates are getting on ....

Thanks Worksop ,a few on here know him ,he has been a season ticket holder for 14 years since he was 3 and is a massive Blade ,this is the first season he has started missing games because he is based in Lossiemouth (Elgin is his second team now) ,but my matchdays now are spent texting updates.
He is in the RAF Regiment and will be a gunner on top of a Jackal in Afghan ,but he says he can't wait.

 

[alcoblade]

With respect to Highbury, I don't think he ever said that the 385 should not be remembered. Not saying I agree or disagree with him, but his point was that Armistice Day was inaugerated to remember those killed in WWI and WWII and has been altered in recent years to become a remembrance of all killed in military service.

True, but surely, so what?



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But that's daft, because that would include forces killed in ww1 & 2. There's no need for a separate day. We have Armistice Day, commonly called Rememberance Day, to remember all members of the forces killed in combat. I feel you are being a bit pedantic. Spent Friday night at an army dinner where we remembered fallen friends, last night at an event with current soldiers, many of whom have served several tours in Afghanistan and Iraq and are proud to serve their country all decent young men and women and am now off to the local war memorial to pay my respects. Doesn't matter to me when soldiers were killed, this weekend, in particular they are all remembered.

This.

UTB

 

[beightonblade]

war is a terrible thing.........usually instigated by greed, power hunger,money or religion none of which i have time for.

 

[Jehovah]

I have mixed views about all this stuff. If I were playing a Sunday league game and we had a minute silence, I would stand there with my hands behind my back, head bowed and observe. I would not dream of spitting or picking my nose or anything.
Having said that, professional football matches seem to hold a minutes silence or applause for someone or something every match and I can almost understand the players minds perhaps drifting.
I also have a problem with this "heroes" malarky. How does joining the army make you an immediate hero? The emergency services in this country in reality do a lot more for our country than the army and they are hardly recognised as "heroes"

 

[puppet]

Anyone who can say 'that includes the taliban' in a thread like this wants their fucking head examining. The most EVIL regime ever to walk this earth.

 

[raul]

Thanks Worksop ,a few on here know him ,he has been a season ticket holder for 14 years since he was 3 and is a massive Blade ,this is the first season he has started missing games because he is based in Lossiemouth (Elgin is his second team now) ,but my matchdays now are spent texting updates.
He is in the RAF Regiment and will be a gunner on top of a Jackal in Afghan ,but he says he can't wait.

Mind wants to tread the same path, flag-bearing for his squadron at three seperate services this weekend.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Anyone who can say 'that includes the taliban' in a thread like this wants their fucking head examining. The most EVIL regime ever to walk this earth.

This is not about who is right and wrong, this about the fact that whatever side of the war you are on then you believe you are right. This is about the fact that what ever side you are on you will lose loved ones, families friends etc. That includes our enemies whether they are right or wrong in pursuing the war against us.

A global remembrance day (and this is the point I was replying to) should include all countries that have lost people fighting in their wars

Whether you like it or not, just because you may think that we are always fighting the good fight, it doesn't necessarily mean that we are. Our enemies think exactly the same as us and when they give their lives in what they feel to be a just cause then why not allow them to remember?

And why shouldn't we share this, globally? It might make the warmongers think.

 

[puppet]

This is not about who is right and wrong, this about the fact that whatever side of the war you are on then you believe you are right. This is about the fact that what ever side you are on you will lose loved ones, families friends etc. That includes our enemies whether they are right or wrong in pursuing the war against us.

A global remembrance day (and this is the point I was replying to) should include all countries that have lost people fighting in their wars

Whether you like it or not, just because you may think that we are always fighting the good fight, it doesn't necessarily mean that we are. Our enemies think exactly the same as us and when they give their lives in what they feel to be a just cause then why not allow them to remember?

And why shouldn't we share this, globally? It might make the warmongers think.

Try telling that to the arseholes burning poppies outside the V&A on Friday. The taliban are a vile, evil set, they are beyond any kind of tolerance and understanding because they do not display any themselves.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Try telling that to the arseholes burning poppies outside the V&A on Friday. The taliban are a vile, evil set, they are beyond any kind of tolerance and understanding because they do not display any themselves.

They are a minority just as we have minorities that shame us. My point is that ordinary human beings of whatever race, creed, nationality etc., lose loved ones in wars whether it's a war with us or agin us.

Ask not for whom the bell tolls....it tolls for thee.

 

[judge]

someone should pull this thread it goes against everything rememberance day stands for

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Try telling that to the arseholes burning poppies outside the V&A on Friday. The taliban are a vile, evil set, they are beyond any kind of tolerance and understanding because they do not display any themselves.

....or the arseholes from the EDL that were all set to go and burn some tents outside St Pauls the same day. As BOSS said morons and extremists on all sides, races, creeds and nationalities. Why not just honour all killed?

 

[Deleted member 2102]

If footballers truly reflected on what the minutes silence represents then I doubt winning a football match would be that important when the whistle went.

 

[Pinchy]

They are a minority just as we have minorities that shame us. My point is that ordinary human beings of whatever race, creed, nationality etc., lose loved ones in wars whether it's a war with us or agin us.

Ask not for whom the bell tolls....it tolls for thee.

"No man is an island, entire of itself...any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee."

John Donne (1572-1631)

 

[puppet]

....or the arseholes from the EDL that were all set to go and burn some tents outside St Pauls the same day. As BOSS said morons and extremists on all sides, races, creeds and nationalities. Why not just honour all killed?

BoSS said we should honour the Taliban dead. if that means honouring vile, racist, sexist, homophobic, religious fascists, then i'll pass thank you very much.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

BoSS said we should honour the Taliban dead. if that means honouring vile, racist, sexist, homophobic, religious fascists, then i'll pass thank you very much.

I didn't say we should honour the Taliban dead; this is what I said - "...we should have a global rememberance day (yes we should include the Taliban as well)..."

but I do agree that the Taliban powers that be are are probably pretty much as you say.

When the IRA were bombing our troops did you condemn all Catholics? In which I would stand condemned and I hated what the IRA did.

You see if you take away those that have the power to make decisions to go to war and kill and maim other human beings, those that are left are just ordinary human beings like you and me.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

Try telling that to the arseholes burning poppies outside the V&A on Friday. The taliban are a vile, evil set, they are beyond any kind of tolerance and understanding because they do not display any themselves.

Absolutely spot on.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

someone should pull this thread it goes against everything rememberance day stands for

We remember that people died to give us the freedom to have such debates. This thread and the discussion it contains is, in fact, a tribute to their sacrifice.

And, we might have been speaking German but for them.

 

[sitwell]

Mind wants to tread the same path, flag-bearing for his squadron at three seperate services this weekend.

Which Squadron Raul ,and Regiment or RAF ?

 

[raul]

He's in the Air Cadets, 124 Wakefield Sqn. Loves it.

 

[sitwell]

If hes got a good standard of fitness and determination tell him to try for the RAF Regiment ,he would love that even more.

 

[judge]

We remember that people died to give us the freedom to have such debates. This thread and the discussion it contains is, in fact, a tribute to their sacrifice.

And, we might have been speaking German but for them.

i just dont like to see people bickering over our right to freedom and the sacrifices these lads have made (make ) my grandad passed away recently and he was a 16 yr old who went from normandy to berlin and i dont think he would like to see an important period of history turned into racist arguments by people who should know better

 

[spadge]

As a currently serving member of the forces, rememberance day is still seen as a day to remember the ww1 and 2 victims who like highbury rightly said didnt have much choice in the matter of serving for there country. however in recent years its become a day that we can remember all our fallen soldiers over the years, yes maybe the ones currently serving have a choice which means they are knowling signing themselves up for danger to protect our country when many youths out there would rather spend there time rioting etc. All the forces of today have huge respect for the soldiers of the great war and do our upmost to keep there memory alive many of my RAF collegues have spent there sunday off on parades up and down the country the same as the navy and army personnel.
Sitwell thoughts go out with ur son on a speedy n safe return, up most respect for any fellow service personnel who goes to afghanistan let us know how he gets on.
As for the thread in question its not alot to ask that they bow there heads n stand still for a moment of two minutes but unfortunatly it doesnt happen i doubt they ment anything by it but it doesnt look good anyways!

 

[Rustyblade]

Try telling that to the arseholes burning poppies outside the V&A on Friday. The taliban are a vile, evil set, they are beyond any kind of tolerance and understanding because they do not display any themselves.

Unfortunately, their faith prevents their having any tolerance. Their conviction that theirs is the right and only way precludes it. Why should they be tolerant of something that is so obviously wrong.

Our own faith has become so watered down over the last few hundred years that we are unable to wrap our heads round such conviction.

And thank fuck for that.

 

[cahill]

I thought the silence was observed impeccably. You must have been scrutinising carefully to watch for twitching and neck turning. We are talking about hyped up young athletes pumped up for the match.

I do find some things hard to understand such as respecting our war dead whilst engaging in combat/conflict globally to suffer and inflict more war dead

 

[blade too long]

While I too gave up a minute for the fallen, isnt the fact that its we fight to keep this country free, so people can choose wether or not to observe it in his own way
Do we have to be bolt upright, are you suggesting airline pilots stand up mid flight
Should a surgeon stop mid operation

Footballers need not to tense up , if they do stretch quietly , I see no disrespect

We pride our selves we get a choice in this country on how to live our lives, provided they werent burning flags or shouting abuse, they were out preparing to play, ie working

 

[cahill]

completely agree

 

[Darren]

I would have thought it would have been obvious.

Anyone who is in the army nowadays is there through choice. Aside from the pals battalions, those that fought in the 1st world world war were not there through choice.

Do we have a day to remember the firemen that died in the line of duty? Or coppers?

No we don't. Armistice day should be about remembering the 1st and 2nd world war dead. Most of them didn't have a choice.

As a point of information conscription was only introduced in WW1 in March 1916. All those who fought between 1914 and March 1916 were volunteers (around 3 million of them).

Which rather undermines your point.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

As a point of information conscription was only introduced in WW1 in March 1916. All those who fought between 1914 and March 1916 were volunteers (around 3 million of them).

Which rather undermines your point.

Not really, since about 5 million of the British forces weren't volunteers.

 

[SoccerCynic]

I would have thought that the whole idea of a minutes silence is for quiet reflection...not flexing muscles or spitting. I can not see that remaining motionless for one minute is going to spoil preparation for a football match. It is at least lack of discipline and at worst lack of respect. No-one expects airline pilots to stop safely flying their plane, but then they are not participating in a pre-arranged event.