Today's Ratings

[JohnDenver]

A first half of control without end product was followed by a second half of defensive cock-ups and a fade-out. In truth, we looked poor when chasing the game and didn't have enough on the bench to change things.

It looks more and more like if we don't score first against decent teams we'll be in trouble. We should have scored first, but didn't. Then handed the game on a plate to Charlton who were good enough to accept the gifts.

Simmo - 5 - Two good reaction saves but crucially for the second goal he could have got to the ball before BWP but didn't attack it.
Lowton - 4 - Poor game. Seemingly told not to bomb-on given the quality of the opposition, but that's his main strength.
Lecs - 3 - Same as Lowton, but with more errors.
Collins - 4 - Decent game until his cock-up let BWP in to score.
McGuire - 6 - Respectable, plus a few good diagonal balls when the short passes weren't on.
Williamson - 4 - Anonymous.
Doyle - 5 - Doyle is as Doyle does....
McDonald - 5 - Some nice touches. Unable to dictate.
Quinn - 5 - A few nice moments, some slack ones and no end product.
Porter - 4 - If he doesn't score he offerers nowt. And he didn't...
Evans - 6 - Decent game but all outside the box.

Flynn - 6 - Showed he can cross a ball better than the rest.
Cress - 5 - Had a good chance saved but isn't really a change-up from Porter.

Last season we were relegated because we donated goals to the opposition and couldn't finish our own chances. It's starting to look like the only way we'll lose this trait is by getting more new faces in.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

Maguire cost us a goal for the 2nd game in succession - by giving away a needless corner for the first. Flynn did put a decent cross in today - but it's the first time I've seen him do that since he arrived - he looks out of his depth. Evans is better than Porter but both were crap today.

 

[super_pig]

i must have been at a different game..
lescinel 3?? ffs he was decent first half.. had a run where he lost the ball in the second and his head went down a bit
doyle does what he does.. fuck all .. 1 .. absolute gobshite
flynn 6? he only kicked the ball once.. oh .. you're his dad.. go on then 9
other than that i reckon pretty spot on

 

[oaklandrdblade]

Maguire cost us a goal for the 2nd game in succession - by giving away a needless corner for the first. Flynn did put a decent cross in today - but it's the first time I've seen him do that since he arrived - he looks out of his depth. Evans is better than Porter but both were crap today.

It didn't look a corner to those sat up in the corner round me, seemd to play it onto their man, BUT I thought he should have put it out for a throw in instead of pissing about when he got in front of their man.

 

[super_pig]

he should know by now that with our keeper we can't defend corners for shit

 

[DuncDisorderly]

Evans is better than Porter but both were crap today.

I thought it wasn;t them who were crap. We're back to the old thing about playing (mostly over hit) channel balls for two strikers slower than the defenders than they were chasing the ball with. We have to be smarter to play like this, but we haven't got it in todays squad.

You know...it reminds me very much of Swansea about three seasons ago, who kept coming to BDTBL, playing the ball around the back four and the midfield, conceeding a couple and going home with nothing...

 

[Deadbat]

It didn't look a corner to those sat up in the corner round me, seemd to play it onto their man, BUT I thought he should have put it out for a throw in instead of pissing about when he got in front of their man.

He also failed to pick up HIS man on the corner to compound his original mistake. He may play great balls now and again and also brign it out and show good technique but if he does not do the basics he wont be able to play much higher than this.

 

[Jehovah]

Simmo did attack the ball for the second and was very unlucky how it fell luckily to wright phillips. He made some good saves and collected well. 8/10

 

[bricktop]

Personally i thought most of the team was poor, and the worst performers for me were McDonald, Evans and the awful Porter.

One player that we missed today was Monty

 

[Jonboy60]

Don't know if this is the right thread to post this,but who gives a f@@K.How come when we get rid of our so called shite that suddenly they turn into little nuggets of gold ie bogdanovich 2 goals today.But when we buy what we hope is perceived as our little nuggets they turn into lumps of nutty slack.now i know this is a massive generaization but i'm so pissed of with our performance today and of late that i don't really give a FLYING FUCK.

 

[Hollinsend]

I also thought McDonald was poor today. Strolled around and avoided the action for the most part. Doesn't waste the ball much when he has it, but doesn't work hard enough to get it. Don't know if he's unfit or just lazy.

 

[Kenilworth]

I saw McDonald give the ball away several times. Cannot see what the fuss is with him.
Evans 6? Fuck me.
Porter did all his running for him, left then right, then left again whereas the lazy shit just coasted and swanned around for the whole match. Never played a pass and got tackled every time he had the ball. What the fuck does everyone see in this waster? Compare him to the likes of Edwards. No fucking chance.

 

[Toiletduck]

I saw McDonald give the ball away several times. Cannot see what the fuss is with him.
Evans 6? Fuck me.
Porter did all his running for him, left then right, then left again whereas the lazy shit just coasted and swanned around for the whole match. Never played a pass and got tackled every time he had the ball. What the fuck does everyone see in this waster? Compare him to the likes of Edwards. No fucking chance.

Wow, you must have watched a different game to me if Porter did all that. Amazing.

 

[Kenilworth]

Didn't say he was affective. Just stated that he was running the channels whilst Evans farted about in the middle.
If you watch the game again on BladesPlayer look out for it.
Porter does work hard but he is slow. That's what you see, his lack of pace but he attempts to run the channels and pull the defenders away from each other. Trouble is that Evans does not fill the gap. He also reacts too late to any balls Porter wins in the air. As for Evans winning a header as a target man - Quinny makes a better attempt.

 

[Kempy]

Lecs and Lowton on par today, I don’t see how Lecs made more mistakes then Lowton did?

Simmo 5? thats abit harsh considering the shite mistakes in front that he had to deal with. I think you are forgetting the 2-3 saves he pulled off along with the free kick tipped over the bar. "Second goal he could have got the ball" he was so exposed due to yet again another poor mistake I think its hardly fair to say he had a chance.

EVANS 6!!!!! ARE YOU BLIND MAN!!!! or are you just thinking of the 89 mins it took for him to actually do anything what so ever.... the above scores are agreeable, but to say Evans was one of our best players!!! He made Porter look crap with his constant lazyness and general and utter shiteness (Yes that is a new word specifically made for how crap Ched Evans is) I felt bloody sorry for Porter telling Ched to actually stick his head out of his arse and the only time Ched did any pressuring was when the keeper had the ball only to be able to walk back (again so incredibly lazy) and be offside. The lad is a complete waste of space and if I was Tonne or Philliskirk I would be ramming Wilsons door down demanding to know why the useless lump of crap is playing instead of me! (yes I realise Tonne plays on the left but I think he would be a good shout upfront)

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

A first half of control without end product was followed by a second half of defensive cock-ups and a fade-out. In truth, we looked poor when chasing the game and didn't have enough on the bench to change things.

It looks more and more like if we don't score first against decent teams we'll be in trouble. We should have scored first, but didn't. Then handed the game on a plate to Charlton who were good enough to accept the gifts.

McGuire - 6 - Respectable, plus a few good diagonal balls when the short passes weren't on.
Williamson - 4 - Anonymous.


Last season we were relegated because we donated goals to the opposition and couldn't finish our own chances. It's starting to look like the only way we'll lose this trait is by getting more new faces in.

I agree with the first paragraph completely.

McGuire - 6 - Respectable, plus a few good diagonal balls when the short passes weren't on.
and too many diagonal balls that didn't come off - seems to be a trait in his game that he either needs to practice until he has a higher success rate or pack it in and give the ball to someone who can deliver diagonal balls to feet consistently

Williamson - 4 - Anonymous. 4??? That's being very generous indeed - he was so disinterested it's untrue - get rid or give his @rse a good rocketing!

 

[BladeInThatcham]

You know...it reminds me very much of Swansea about three seasons ago, who kept coming to BDTBL, playing the ball around the back four and the midfield, conceeding a couple and going home with nothing...

And by sticking to a footballing philosophy, Swansea have proper screwed themselves up now haven't they....

 

[Elsecar_Blade]

Simmo did attack the ball for the second and was very unlucky how it fell luckily to wright phillips. He made some good saves and collected well. 8/10

Tell me you are joking! Go and watch the second again. Have you noticed how every time he makes a save, the ball falls unluckily to the strikers feet for a tap in. Where was he on the first goal? You could put a bag of potatoes in the goal for corners if that is what he is going to do. A bag of potatoes has as much chance of blocking the header from four yards. It'd probably save more.

Half to blame on both goals for me. Shares the blame with Collins for the second and whoever let Kermorgant have a free header (Maguire?) for the first. Averaging out at giving the opponent a goal a game again. That's how we got relegated with that clown in goal last season. If Megson and Brown have watched us of late, they will know for a fact to put the ball into our penalty area.

 

[Jehovah]

Tell me you are joking! Go and watch the second again. Have you noticed how every time he makes a save, the ball falls unluckily to the strikers feet for a tap in. Where was he on the first goal? You could put a bag of potatoes in the goal for corners if that is what he is going to do. A bag of potatoes has as much chance of blocking the header from four yards. It'd probably save more.

Half to blame on both goals for me. Shares the blame with Collins for the second and whoever let Kermorgant have a free header (Maguire?) for the first. Averaging out at giving the opponent a goal a game again. That's how we got relegated with that clown in goal last season. If Megson and Brown have watched us of late, they will know for a fact to put the ball into our penalty area.

How is a free header his fault? Someone didnt pick him up for the first, you said Maquire, ok its his fault then.

The second was ALL Collins fault, naff all Simmo could do. Your berating him for saving a 1 on 1 that fell luckily back to the striker, unreal.

 

[Micalijo]

I thought it wasn;t them who were crap. We're back to the old thing about playing (mostly over hit) channel balls for two strikers slower than the defenders than they were chasing the ball with. We have to be smarter to play like this, but we haven't got it in todays squad.

You know...it reminds me very much of Swansea about three seasons ago, who kept coming to BDTBL, playing the ball around the back four and the midfield, conceeding a couple and going home with nothing...

What a ridiculous commentabout Swansea. As you can see - there is no future in Swnasea's style of play unless you are going to launch into some daft effort to claim swansea are nothing, a mere 16th in Prem. What a joke their style is - never works.

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And by sticking to a footballing philosophy, Swansea have proper screwed themselves up now haven't they....

Top stuff Thatch - incredibe post by Disorderly.

 

[Elsecar_Blade]

How is a free header his fault? Someone didnt pick him up for the first, you said Maquire, ok its his fault then.

The second was ALL Collins fault, naff all Simmo could do. Your berating him for saving a 1 on 1 that fell luckily back to the striker, unreal.

Do you not see the number of goals being headed into our net from within the six yard box? Where was Simonsen? Yes, it was a free header. So tell me how he expects to save it on his line? He has only got a chance if it is straight at him! He should get off his line and catch the ball or punch it away, he is a goalkeeper and can use his hands! If he does that, then the free header never happens. He shares the fault for me with whoever let Kermorgant have the free header.

And the second, if he had kept coming instead of hesitating halfway, he'd have got there before BWP. Instead, he worried and neshed it and the striker gets a free shot at him. OK, he made the save but look at where the ball ended up - straight back at the striker's feet. Just like Huddersfield, just like Walsall. Another worrying trend. Yes, Collins was to blame for the second but Simonsen - like with Maguire for the first - could have rescued him. He is the keeper, it is his job to 'save' his defence when they cock up. Yet he never does. Is he completely to blame for both goals? No. Is he partly to blame for both goals? Yes.

For the money he is on (highest paid keeper in League 1 for sure), he should be rescuing us a lot more than he does. I rarely see a game changing save or catch from him and you'd expect that from the highest paid keeper in the division would you not? He is mediocre at best, he is paid a lot of money for being mediocre. Not good enough.

 

[alcoblade]

What a ridiculous commentabout Swansea. As you can see - there is no future in Swnasea's style of play unless you are going to launch into some daft effort to claim swansea are nothing, a mere 16th in Prem. What a joke their style is - never works.

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Top stuff Thatch - incredibe post by Disorderly.

I think the suggestion is that MOST teams need to be able to mix it up a bit. You've got Swansea and Stoke in the same division. The opposite ends of a spectrum. The rest are in between. Given our lack of resource, there's no need to pidgeon hole ourselves. We are crying out for a big man and / or pace up front so we can play the odd direct ball. It's foolish to rule this out.

Playing lots of football in your own half gets you nowhere, that's for sure.

UTB

 

[Jehovah]

Do you not see the number of goals being headed into our net from within the six yard box? Where was Simonsen? Yes, it was a free header. So tell me how he expects to save it on his line? He has only got a chance if it is straight at him! He should get off his line and catch the ball or punch it away, he is a goalkeeper and can use his hands! If he does that, then the free header never happens. He shares the fault for me with whoever let Kermorgant have the free header.

And the second, if he had kept coming instead of hesitating halfway, he'd have got there before BWP. Instead, he worried and neshed it and the striker gets a free shot at him. OK, he made the save but look at where the ball ended up - straight back at the striker's feet. Just like Huddersfield, just like Walsall. Another worrying trend. Yes, Collins was to blame for the second but Simonsen - like with Maguire for the first - could have rescued him. He is the keeper, it is his job to 'save' his defence when they cock up. Yet he never does. Is he completely to blame for both goals? No. Is he partly to blame for both goals? Yes.

For the money he is on (highest paid keeper in League 1 for sure), he should be rescuing us a lot more than he does. I rarely see a game changing save or catch from him and you'd expect that from the highest paid keeper in the division would you not? He is mediocre at best, he is paid a lot of money for being mediocre. Not good enough.

I think your letting your overall opinion of him blind you. Very harsh to suggest he could have done anything yesterday, but your opinion like.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Playing lots of football in your own half gets you nowhere, that's for sure.

UTB

It would be better for us to study what Swansea did to take the extra step, rather than say that if you pass it about you'll eventually come good. When Swansea added the likes of Sinclair, Dyer, Dobbie and Borini they were able to mix their skilful passing with more pace and forward movement and they were better equipped to get in behind teams. They got the balance right and that's what we should aim for too.

 

[DuncDisorderly]

What a ridiculous commentabout Swansea. As you can see - there is no future in Swnasea's style of play unless you are going to launch into some daft effort to claim swansea are nothing, a mere 16th in Prem. What a joke their style is - never works.Top stuff Thatch - incredibe post by Disorderly.

Mic, I'm not going to answer you. You've really got some stuff to work out.

BiT. On 24th April 2010, Swansea came to BDTBL. They had 58% possession, had 15 shots and 10 corners to our 7 and 4 respectively. They outplayed us in every department, but we beat them 2-0. They finished the season out of the play-offs in 7th, mostly because they only scored 40 goals in 46 games.

Took them three seasons to get a team toghether to be where they are now. Swansea were never a passing team until they took a chance on Roberto Martinez towards the end of the 2006/7 season. We've been at it for how long now, 15 games? Don't you think we need to be patient and 'stick' at the new footballing philosophy a bit longer even as it will inevitably mean that we still have to change maybe half the squad over the next year, and we can therefore forget the whole promotion thing..?

 

[Elsecar_Blade]

I think your letting your overall opinion of him blind you. Very harsh to suggest he could have done anything yesterday, but your opinion like.

My complaints are:

1. Too many goals conceded from headers in our six yard box:
- Kermorgant (Charlton);
- Huddersfield's third goal;
- Tranmere's equaliser.

2. Not making game-changing saves, pushing ball back into path of oncoming strikers:
- BWP yesterday;
- Huddersfield's first goal;
- One of Walsall's goals + one that they nearly (should have) scored from.

Coupled with the poort/mediocre level of distribution and the lack of making the big game-changing saves (how many times does he make a save that makes you think 'Wow!' - not often enough), I think that the facts speak for themselves. I've got those examples from a 'decent' start to the season. I've not even gone near the shambles that was SS's performances last season.

My opinion comes from facts that I can see. I'm not letting nothing blind me.

- If you stand on your line, you have little chance of saving free headers when they come. Be proactive rather than reactive.
- If you make a save but it rolls into the path of the same/another striker who slots it home, the save is meaningless.

IMO, Simonsen is the worst keeper in my time watching SUFC (since 1987/88 onwards).

 

[mall]

Maguire cost us a goal for the 2nd game in succession - by giving away a needless corner for the first. Flynn did put a decent cross in today - but it's the first time I've seen him do that since he arrived - he looks out of his depth. Evans is better than Porter but both were crap today.

That's just a rediculous assertion.
There was plenty of defending to do that could have avoided that goal
If you can identify who was chosen to mark the goalscorer then fire away.

 

[Hollinsend]

I watched Kermorgant coming on as sub just before the corner and thought 'who's going to pick him up?' Collins appeared to move to mark him and then just let him go. Free header and from where I was looking it was down to Collins, coupled with general poor organisation and lack of leadership in the back 4.

 

[Jehovah]

My complaints are:

1. Too many goals conceded from headers in our six yard box:
- Kermorgant (Charlton);
- Huddersfield's third goal;
- Tranmere's equaliser.

2. Not making game-changing saves, pushing ball back into path of oncoming strikers:
- BWP yesterday;
- Huddersfield's first goal;
- One of Walsall's goals + one that they nearly (should have) scored from.

Coupled with the poort/mediocre level of distribution and the lack of making the big game-changing saves (how many times does he make a save that makes you think 'Wow!' - not often enough), I think that the facts speak for themselves. I've got those examples from a 'decent' start to the season. I've not even gone near the shambles that was SS's performances last season.

My opinion comes from facts that I can see. I'm not letting nothing blind me.

- If you stand on your line, you have little chance of saving free headers when they come. Be proactive rather than reactive.
- If you make a save but it rolls into the path of the same/another striker who slots it home, the save is meaningless.

IMO, Simonsen is the worst keeper in my time watching SUFC (since 1987/88 onwards).

I think you are missing my point mate. What I am saying is that you are judging him more harshly based on past mistakes. I fully agree that we could do better than Simmo, but I base my rating/opinion of him on each game at a time.

Deadbats reports are excellent, but he also slams Simmo regulary and seems to base it more on games gone by. Simmo got let down by his defence yesterday and made several excellent saves.

 

[Deadbat]

If you read my report and subsequent comments on that thread I dont blame Simonsen at all yesterday. He rarely if ever comes for crosses and many are his fault; Huddersfield third for instance, Walsall 2nd as another and has made countless other mistakes. How he can be blamed for goal at Tranmere which is well outside the 6 yard box and also yesterday's which was a ball for the defence to clear not the keeper, is beyond me!

I think he is the worst keeper I have seen since Leaning (86/87) so agree with Wombell but cannot blame him for everything even though the general tone that he gives the defence no protection is correct. I actually think the 2 centre halves have played like dustbins in recent weeks and lack of pace/strength means better players/strikers will destroy them. If we had those 2 in the Champ we would be losing 4 or 5 goals a game in my opinion. Many are blaming the strikers/lack of creativity etc but I feel since they played well in opening month Maguire and Collins have been error ridden every week since mid Sept and are causing us to lose goals directly due to their mistakes every game at the moment.