League won't be suspended

[A Storm of Blades]

Those come with leaflets with contents of what's in them. Can I get that leaflet for the vaccine? If so then that's fine. But again, you still get to choose whether to take Paracetemol/Ibuprofen/Anti-Biotics etc. They aren't forced.

Well, were you asked if you wanted to be vaccinated against TB or Polio? No, but you were. Do I think anyone should be fined or lose their liberty if they refuse to be vaccinated? ABSOLUTELY NOT. However, during a once in a 100 year respiratory pandemic, do I think those without justifiable reasons that refuse the vaccines are afforded the same freedoms as those that are? Again, ABSOLUTELY NOT. I can’t travel without a passport, I can’t drive without a licence, I can’t travel to certain countries without be vaccinated for typhoid and yellow fever. None of those things are forced upon me if I choose not to travel or drive.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

I'm sorry but this is really out there in the false equivalency stakes.

Being able to demonstrate competency to drive a motor vehicle before you're allowed to do so, is rather different from being subjected to a medical procedure in order that you may do so.

I'm a bit of a loss as to why you'd think it's in any way similar?

And I would imagine that those who don't want this particular vaccine (I can't speak for anyone as I decided that taking the vaccine was in my best interests), are all people who pay their council and income tax.

It still needs to be explained to me, logically, how someone choosing not to have a Covid vaccine is in any way infringing my rights as a vaccinated person?

See my latest response. Nobody is suggesting anyone is held down and forced an injection. However, just like the examples I mention, certain freedoms come with certain requirements. You can absolutely choose to refuse the vaccine and face no legal or monetary consequence for that, but it’s completely reasonable for a civilised society to impose restrictions beyond that, and we have 100s of examples of precisely that.

And my initial response was addressing this infuriating notion that you can’t force anyone to do anything they don’t want to. Which is the argument I have with my 5 year old every day and, frankly has no place in serious discourse.

 

[Dark muffy]

The only issue I'd see with that, is your starting 5 is a 6.

I'm all for it if the ref doesn't notice though.

Ha ha that's why I never made it very far on champ manager, oh well if Wilder can call games off at the drop of a hat I can pick an extra player!

 

[gordoncharles]

See my latest response. Nobody is suggesting anyone is held down and forced an injection. However, just like the examples I mention, certain freedoms come with certain requirements. You can absolutely choose to refuse the vaccine and face no legal or monetary consequence for that, but it’s completely reasonable for a civilised society to impose restrictions beyond that, and we have 100s of examples of precisely that.

And my initial response was addressing this infuriating notion that you can’t force anyone to do anything they don’t want to. Which is the argument I have with my 5 year old every day and, frankly has no place in serious discourse.

No, that simply isn't the case if you deny an unvaccinated person access to places that you and I can freely go to , or worse, prevent them from earning a living.

I'll ask again, on what basis are you making this requirement? As vaccinated people how are our rights to enjoy life in any way being adversely impacted by someone who has chosen not to have it?

Until you have answered that question, the matter of any additional restrictions to their liberty can't even be discussed.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

No, that simply isn't the case if you deny an unvaccinated person access to places that you and I can freely go to , or worse, prevent them from earning a living.

I'll ask again, on what basis are you making this requirement? As vaccinated people how are our rights to enjoy life in any way being adversely impacted by someone who has chosen not to have it?

Until you have answered that question, the matter of any additional restrictions to their liberty can't even be discussed.

I don’t want to hijack another thread so this will be the last of it.

I can’t travel to certain countries in South America if I refuse vaccination. How is that different? Can I get employed as a Lorry Driver if I don’t have a driving licence? Am I free to go to ANY country if I don’t have a passport? All of these things impact my freedoms but I can choose to accept that consequence.

Also, for one welded to an accusation of false equivalence, you don’t half make a couple yourself. How does me not having a passport impact your freedom to travel? It doesn’t, but that has no barring whatsoever on a macro-level decision to make it a requirement for international travel.

 

[gordoncharles]

I don’t want to hijack another thread so this will be the last of it.

I can’t travel to certain countries in South America if I refuse vaccination. How is that different?....

..... because you're not a citizen of a South American (or any other) country. You have British nationality.

But you're right, we shouldn't hijack this thread further. If you can't see the difference by now, I don't think you're going to.

 

[Bladeloyal]

It's all going to end soon
Omicrom has nearly disappeared in south africa as it hits fast and fades away just as fast

It's only just strong enough to turn a test
positive. Provided youve had a jab of course

It's turned my tests positive ,don't pre judge a virus

 

[Deleted member 23679]

You're comparing paying council tax, being forced to learn to drive etc to having something physically put into your body, that you don't know the contents of. Sorry but this is NOT the same.

Many people are curious to know what the ingredients are for the three currently available COVID-19 vaccines in the US.
Here is a breakdown of the three COVID vaccines and their ingredients:

• Pfizer Vaccine: The full list of ingredients for the Pfizer vaccine is:
  mRNA, lipids ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), 2
  [(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide, 1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-
  phosphocholine, and cholesterol), potassium chloride, monobasic potassium
  phosphate, sodium chloride, dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate, and sucrose.
  The Pfizer vaccine does not contain eggs, preservatives, or latex.
• Moderna Vaccine: The full list of ingredients for the Moderna vaccine is:
  Messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA), lipids (SM-102, polyethylene glycol [PEG] 2000
  dimyristoyl glycerol [DMG], cholesterol, and 1,2-distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine [DSPC]),
  tromethamine,tromethamine hydrochloride, acetic acid, sodium acetate trihydrate, and sucrose.
  The Moderna vaccine does not contain eggs, preservatives, or latex.
• Johnson & Johnson Vaccine: The full list of ingredients for the Johnson & Johnson vaccine is:
  Recombinant, replication-incompetent adenovirus type 26 expressing the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein,
  citric acid monohydrate, trisodium citrate dihydrate, ethanol, 2 hydroxypropyl-β-cyclodextrin (HBCD),
  polysorbate-80, sodium chloride.
  The Johnson & Johnson vaccine does not contain eggs, preservatives, or latex.

So this is a list of the ingredients that are in the various Covid vaccines? Which of those aren't you sure about?

 

[A Storm of Blades]

..... because you're not a citizen of a South American (or any other) country. You have British nationality.

But you're right, we shouldn't hijack this thread further. If you can't see the difference by now, I don't think you're going to.

You may well be right

 

[Willie Carlin]

Null and Void it.

Bournmouth would just love that

 

[Tezza1889]

Many people are curious to know what the ingredients are for the three currently available COVID-19 vaccines in the US.
Here is a breakdown of the three COVID vaccines and their ingredients:

• Pfizer Vaccine: The full list of ingredients for the Pfizer vaccine is:
  mRNA, lipids ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), 2
  [(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide, 1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-
  phosphocholine, and cholesterol), potassium chloride, monobasic potassium
  phosphate, sodium chloride, dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate, and sucrose.
  The Pfizer vaccine does not contain eggs, preservatives, or latex.
• Moderna Vaccine: The full list of ingredients for the Moderna vaccine is:
  Messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA), lipids (SM-102, polyethylene glycol [PEG] 2000
  dimyristoyl glycerol [DMG], cholesterol, and 1,2-distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine [DSPC]),
  tromethamine,tromethamine hydrochloride, acetic acid, sodium acetate trihydrate, and sucrose.
  The Moderna vaccine does not contain eggs, preservatives, or latex.
• Johnson & Johnson Vaccine: The full list of ingredients for the Johnson & Johnson vaccine is:
  Recombinant, replication-incompetent adenovirus type 26 expressing the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein,
  citric acid monohydrate, trisodium citrate dihydrate, ethanol, 2 hydroxypropyl-β-cyclodextrin (HBCD),
  polysorbate-80, sodium chloride.
  The Johnson & Johnson vaccine does not contain eggs, preservatives, or latex.

So this is a list of the ingredients that are in the various Covid vaccines? Which of those aren't you sure about?

I'm not getting into a conversation, but anything they force or coerce into your body by means of restriction of your liberties and human rights, I'm not comfortable with..

Trust the science by all means if you want, pushing an agenda based on your level of investment ( not in a financial way) isn't for a football forum..

Want a vaccine, get one, don't want one, don't..

The whole circus is a tissue of lie after lie, and will cost BJ his job, but he'd love that, because its been a game to him from day one

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

Many people are curious to know what the ingredients are for the three currently available COVID-19 vaccines in the US.
Here is a breakdown of the three COVID vaccines and their ingredients:

• Pfizer Vaccine: The full list of ingredients for the Pfizer vaccine is:
  mRNA, lipids ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), 2
  [(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide, 1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-
  phosphocholine, and cholesterol), potassium chloride, monobasic potassium
  phosphate, sodium chloride, dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate, and sucrose.
  The Pfizer vaccine does not contain eggs, preservatives, or latex.
• Moderna Vaccine: The full list of ingredients for the Moderna vaccine is:
  Messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA), lipids (SM-102, polyethylene glycol [PEG] 2000
  dimyristoyl glycerol [DMG], cholesterol, and 1,2-distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine [DSPC]),
  tromethamine,tromethamine hydrochloride, acetic acid, sodium acetate trihydrate, and sucrose.
  The Moderna vaccine does not contain eggs, preservatives, or latex.
• Johnson & Johnson Vaccine: The full list of ingredients for the Johnson & Johnson vaccine is:
  Recombinant, replication-incompetent adenovirus type 26 expressing the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein,
  citric acid monohydrate, trisodium citrate dihydrate, ethanol, 2 hydroxypropyl-β-cyclodextrin (HBCD),
  polysorbate-80, sodium chloride.
  The Johnson & Johnson vaccine does not contain eggs, preservatives, or latex.

So this is a list of the ingredients that are in the various Covid vaccines? Which of those aren't you sure about?

I knew that.

 

[Bennyand the Blades]

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[ATL Recs]

Why, is that guaranteed?

Inevitable

 

[jt64]

My employer has come up with a good solution. If you have had all the jabs available to you and you are off with COVID, you get full pay, if you haven’t, you get SSP only.

So your employer sounds like the sort that wants to pry into your medical records and discriminate as a result, sounds like a lovely place to work

 

[Deleted member 23679]

So your employer sounds like the sort that wants to pry into your medical records and discriminate as a result, sounds like a lovely place to work

Plenty of employers pry in to peoples medical records, especially when people are in occupations that you can’t do when you’ve got certain medical conditions.

 

[Stu_Blade]

I am sure ROI play the first week of June in the UEFA nations league so definitely no extending the season

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

I'm just going to say - of course the season can & will be extended if it needs to be. That's just Maths. I love testing these things by considering extreme examples. The season end date is 7 May. If there continue to be postponements & difficulties in rearranging dates. And Sheffield United, or any other team, still have five fixtures to complete and it's 6 May (as an extreme example), then the season will be extended. (Or we'll have to do average points or go null & void).

If the extension butts up against something else (the Nations League is mentioned in this thread), then the season will just have to wait until that is finished & then restart. The best way I can explain is - in a normal Century, we'd have 100 seasons. But, if Covid dominates our lives into the future, we may have to just come at it sideways. One season can start after the previous one has finished. If we end up only having 96 seasons this Century then so be it. Some starting in July & finishing in May, some starting in July but finishing a year in December, and some starting in February and finishing in November.
Oooohhhh, but the loss of income... OK, play those five games in one day then.

 

[wak1889]

Play 5 a side, 20 mins each way. Get 2 games a day in then which we will need in May. I'd have Foderingham, Osborn, Basham, MGW, Ndiayi, and Sharp in my starting 5. I think Osborn would be shit hot at 5 a side. No place MC burnie in my 5 a side squad though I think he'd be even worse at 5 a side than 11 a side.

To be fair playing 6 players at 5 a side would definitely give us an advantage

 

[Dark muffy]

To be fair playing 6 players at 5 a side would definitely give us an advantage

Not if the league stipulate that the 6th player is our Scottish bearded goal machine

 

[rompodebailey]

Not if the league stipulate that the 6th player is our Scottish bearded goal machine

Which one?we have 2

 

[blade too long]

It's turned my tests positive ,don't pre judge a virus

We are getting millions of positive tests but very low percentages needing long stays in hospital
South Africa is the guide...it's falling away already

 

[HVR]

So your employer sounds like the sort that wants to pry into your medical records and discriminate as a result, sounds like a lovely place to work

Well you get SSP as a basic right, they don’t have a legal obligation to pay you anymore - so you would just get SSP. The offer is there to pay full wages if you present your vaccine certificate - just like going into a pub or maybe even BL for the next match!
If you don’t want to show anyone your vaccine certificate that’s also your right and my work don’t demand to see it.