I’m starting to think that McBurnie may just in actual fact be

[Constantly Optimistic...]

He is a failed defender. Can't find position at all, does have good heading ability, but not at goal! His best attribute is to defend corners, can get his nut on it, doesn't matter where it goes. Will never be a goalscorer, no positional sense at all, frightening with his footwork if he were a defender, so he "hides" as an attacker bumbling along where it doesn't matter if you lose control of the ball. Puts it round and is awkward for defenders. I rarely doubt his commitment, but he is a multi million pound bobbar striker, to quote Pommpey.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

He came on in the 66th minute and had 9 touches of the ball. That’s hardly a decent contribution in my opinion.

He came on was in position to tap the ball in until the defender got a stud on the ball if you watch the replay

Then he was about to head the ball in until Curtis Davies volleyball the ball off his head

He also put his self about and linked up play well

Its almost like a lot of people don't actually watch the match

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Not sure what it is with Mcburnie but he seems to be much better positioning wise when defending, more often than not when it's a ball into our box he's on the end of it but up the other end he's never anywhere near it

he's just not got that strikers instinct, Sharp is much better at scoring headers than him despite being significantly shorter because he knows where to position himself and move to find space

He positioned his self to head the ball in and tap the ball in both cleared by derby defenders at the last second

One when it looked like he missed a sister but the derby player got the ball and the second when curtis davies swotted the ball off his head as he was about to head it in

Put him in a team that creates chances and he'll score just like sharp will

 

[Houston_Blade]

He came on was in position to tap the ball in until the defender got a stud on the ball if you watch the replay

Then he was about to head the ball in until Curtis Davies volleyball the ball off his head

He also put his self about and linked up play well

Its almost like a lot of people don't actually watch the match

I'm glad he 'nearly' had 11 touches.

I'm not sure if it will catch on but I think the idea is to get to the ball ahead of the defender rather than 'nearly' get there.

 

[metalblade]

He came on was in position to tap the ball in until the defender got a stud on the ball if you watch the replay

Then he was about to head the ball in until Curtis Davies volleyball the ball off his head

He also put his self about and linked up play well

Its almost like a lot of people don't actually watch the match

If he banged two goals in some would moan he hasn't got a hat trick, a bit sad innit

 

[Houston_Blade]

If he banged two goals in

I think this is where the problem lies, he doesn't look likely to score 2 goals.

I'd be ecstatic if he did because it would mean we'd scored 2 goals.

 

[Revolution]

If he banged two goals in some would moan he hasn't got a hat trick, a bit sad innit

That'll be the day...

 

[Balham]

Myth - He lost the 5th most aerial duels in the premier League, season before last. And lost many, many more than he won. It's actually quite a terrible record.

Myth - Oliver McBurnie lost more aerial battles than he won last season or the season before. He won more than he lost both seasons and was one of the best PL forwards in that metric. His all-round game may deserve criticism but his non-shot heading can't be complained about.

Looking at forwards to give a fair comparison:

19/20: McBurnie won 200 of 398 recorded aerial duels. In win % terms his 50.3% was fourth behind Andy Carroll (64.7%(!!) of 139), Christian Benteke (56.2% of 258) and Sébastian Haller (51.4% of 414(!!)). Those are the only four players to have a success rate above 50% of 50+ duels

20/21: McBurnie won 139 of 262 recorded aerial duels. In win % terms his 53.1% was third behind Christian Benteke (56.8% of 361) and Dominic Calvert-Lewin (53.3% of 289). Those are the only three forwards to record a success rate above 50% of 50+ duels.

Sources: https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/aerial_lost https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/aerial_won

There's a valid criticism of Wilder's tactics in those stats by the way - McBurnie was used as an outlet far too often as we lacked the composure to work the ball up the pitch.

 

[Drunk blade]

Myth - Oliver McBurnie lost more aerial battles than he won last season or the season before. He won more than he lost both seasons and was one of the best PL forwards in that metric. His all-round game may deserve criticism but his non-shot heading can't be complained about.

Looking at forwards to give a fair comparison:

19/20: McBurnie won 200 of 398 recorded aerial duels. In win % terms his 50.3% was fourth behind Andy Carroll (64.7%(!!) of 139), Christian Benteke (56.2% of 258) and Sébastian Haller (51.4% of 414(!!)). Those are the only four players to have a success rate above 50% of 50+ duels

20/21: McBurnie won 139 of 262 recorded aerial duels. In win % terms his 53.1% was third behind Christian Benteke (56.8% of 361) and Dominic Calvert-Lewin (53.3% of 289). Those are the only three forwards to record a success rate above 50% of 50+ duels.

Sources: https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/aerial_lost https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/aerial_won

There's a valid criticism of Wilder's tactics in those stats by the way - McBurnie was used as an outlet far too often as we lacked the composure to work the ball up the pitch.

Stats like these are completely meaningless, when he heads the ball onto his shoulder with the goal at his mercy and it floats tamely into the keepers hands that is another aerial duel won

 

[west_yorks_blade]

As I said on yet another playing slagging thread (Brewster I think), its not his fault he isn't good enough.

He has the abilities that he has and I'm sure he tries his best. That's all you can ask for.

He plays football for a living. If he is offered a good contract that suits him, he is entitled to sign it. If he is picked to play for the team, he is entitled to play for that team to the best of his ability - what more can he do?

The fault lies with the manager that signed him and if different, the manager that decides to play him.

All this to'ing and fro'ing on whether he is wank or not wank is moot.

 

[metalblade]

Myth - Oliver McBurnie lost more aerial battles than he won last season or the season before. He won more than he lost both seasons and was one of the best PL forwards in that metric. His all-round game may deserve criticism but his non-shot heading can't be complained about.

Looking at forwards to give a fair comparison:

19/20: McBurnie won 200 of 398 recorded aerial duels. In win % terms his 50.3% was fourth behind Andy Carroll (64.7%(!!) of 139), Christian Benteke (56.2% of 258) and Sébastian Haller (51.4% of 414(!!)). Those are the only four players to have a success rate above 50% of 50+ duels

20/21: McBurnie won 139 of 262 recorded aerial duels. In win % terms his 53.1% was third behind Christian Benteke (56.8% of 361) and Dominic Calvert-Lewin (53.3% of 289). Those are the only three forwards to record a success rate above 50% of 50+ duels.

Sources: https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/aerial_lost https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/aerial_won

There's a valid criticism of Wilder's tactics in those stats by the way - McBurnie was used as an outlet far too often as we lacked the composure to work the ball up the pitch.

Let's not let stats get in the way of slagging our scapegoat he is dug shite half this forum say so ...................... they can't be wrong.
Wilder's tactics and formation ruined McBurnie hoofing the ball to him when he was on his own little wonder no team mates got on the end of his headers, they were never there.

 

[Balham]

Stats like these are completely meaningless, when he heads the ball onto his shoulder with the goal at his mercy and it floats tamely into the keepers hands that is another aerial duel won

It's far from "completely meaningless". It tells us that Oli McBurnie is exceptionally good at winning aerial duels but that can be worked on to improve the output ie stopping him "head[ing] the ball onto his shoulder" or getting his teammates in a place where they can capitalise.

 

[Bladesman]

Here's what I don't understand... If i spent my life criticising or disliking my own team, I'd have to consider why I even like football.

We are called supporters because we support a team. Ok, sometimes we feel the need to be critical when discussing players etc... But some people enjoy doing the opposite of supporting.

I agree when its needless abuse shouted in the stands. As for on here its been for the mostly constructive criticism.

For all the praise McBurnie was giving Sharp in the social media video the other day, it's like he is learning nothing from him. Movement, positioning and being stronger in possession trying to stop defenders bullying him.

I am now at a point in thinking McBurnie just isn't that bothered about banging goals in for us.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

I agree when its needless abuse shouted in the stands. As for on here its been for the mostly constructive criticism.

For all the praise McBurnie was giving Sharp in the social media video the other day, it's like he is learning nothing from him. Movement, positioning and being stronger in possession trying to stop defenders bullying him.

I am now at a point in thinking McBurnie just isn't that bothered about banging goals in for us.

How can any player score goals when he's sat on the bench ?

Mcburnie scored on his last start and has had a hand in 3 goals coming on as a sub

There is no need for any abuse as he is actually playing well as Slav said the other day

 

[BobblesBlade]

Maupay
Watkins
Welbeck
Toney
Lingaard

we get
McBurnie and Brewster
At least they did well for Swansea in championship.

opportunities abound when we were in the Premiership. We just didn’t have a Premiership back room that could make the next step up.

 

[blade too long]

think we arent allowing Derby any credit

they beat Stoke last week and are fighting for their lives

wounded beasts put up a fight and they have plenty of experience

expecting to thrash them because theyve beem docked points is misplaced arrogance

 

[Working Class Hero]

Myth - Oliver McBurnie lost more aerial battles than he won last season or the season before. He won more than he lost both seasons and was one of the best PL forwards in that metric. His all-round game may deserve criticism but his non-shot heading can't be complained about.

Looking at forwards to give a fair comparison:

19/20: McBurnie won 200 of 398 recorded aerial duels. In win % terms his 50.3% was fourth behind Andy Carroll (64.7%(!!) of 139), Christian Benteke (56.2% of 258) and Sébastian Haller (51.4% of 414(!!)). Those are the only four players to have a success rate above 50% of 50+ duels

20/21: McBurnie won 139 of 262 recorded aerial duels. In win % terms his 53.1% was third behind Christian Benteke (56.8% of 361) and Dominic Calvert-Lewin (53.3% of 289). Those are the only three forwards to record a success rate above 50% of 50+ duels.

Sources: https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/aerial_lost https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/aerial_won

There's a valid criticism of Wilder's tactics in those stats by the way - McBurnie was used as an outlet far too often as we lacked the composure to work the ball up the pitch.

I was using a different website (the top result on Google) as the aerial duels wasn't on the filter on the Premier League website.

Which probably makes the whole exercise pointless to be honest haha.

 

[coolasanidiot]

Stats totally pointless. They're are used by people to prove a point badly. Don't need stats to see whats patently obvious in flesh-

McBurnie is slow, poor at heading towards goal, poor at timing his jumps (quite often doesn't get off the floor in high ball duels), can't shoot with any venom, very poor at closing down, more than often not in the wrong place.

Yes if he bags a few of course we will get behind him, everyone has given him time- but so far he's been shit, and his value is probably around 2-3 mill at best, and people constantly saying in these cameo roles he's doing OK = bollox, Pompey is correct he's bobbar.

 

[Now and again]

If he banged two goals in some would moan he hasn't got a hat trick, a bit sad innit

How can any player score goals when he's sat on the bench ?

Mcburnie scored on his last start and has had a hand in 3 goals coming on as a sub

There is no need for any abuse as he is actually playing well as Slav said the other day

Odsonne Edouard scored two goals in fifteen minutes for Palace against Spurs.

So it’s possible to score goals from the bench.

Ok so maybe the original post was a little misleading in title.

“I’m not using Oli McBurnie as a scapegoat, I really hope that he comes good. I’ve never felt the need to shout abuse at him, he does have some attributes that help the team. But I’m starting to think is a little bit on the wank side when it comes to scoring goals…….. but he wins the occasional defensive header (which I’m not sure helps us to score up the other end where he actually is supposed to play).”

 

[Drunk blade]

Stats totally pointless. They're are used by people to prove a point badly. Don't need stats to see whats patently obvious in flesh-

McBurnie is slow, poor at heading towards goal, poor at timing his jumps (quite often doesn't get off the floor in high ball duels), can't shoot with any venom, very poor at closing down, more than often not in the wrong place.

Yes if he bags a few of course we will get behind him, everyone has given him time- but so far he's been shit, and his value is probably around 2-3 mill at best, and people constantly saying in these cameo roles he's doing OK = bollox, Pompey is correct he's bobbar.

Scotland have stopped picking him, says it all really

 

[SUFC Guy]

Lame

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

I think this is where the problem lies, he doesn't look likely to score 2 goals.

I'd be ecstatic if he did because it would mean we'd scored 2 goals.

I mean he did today as he was about to tap the ball in twice

He did a lot a more than his lord and saviour lord william in his 20 minutes on the pitch

 

[west_yorks_blade]

I mean he did today as he was about to tap the ball in twice

He did a lot a more than his lord and saviour lord william in his 20 minutes on the pitch

Any reason why you feel the need to be sarcastic about Billy?

 

[CaptainMorgans]

He positioned his self to head the ball in and tap the ball in both cleared by derby defenders at the last second

One when it looked like he missed a sister but the derby player got the ball and the second when curtis davies swotted the ball off his head as he was about to head it in

Put him in a team that creates chances and he'll score just like sharp will

He wasn't going to head it in. Look again, he's ahead of the ball. He's rarely in the right positions to score.

 

[Danetheblade]

Myth - Oliver McBurnie lost more aerial battles than he won last season or the season before. He won more than he lost both seasons and was one of the best PL forwards in that metric. His all-round game may deserve criticism but his non-shot heading can't be complained about.

Looking at forwards to give a fair comparison:

19/20: McBurnie won 200 of 398 recorded aerial duels. In win % terms his 50.3% was fourth behind Andy Carroll (64.7%(!!) of 139), Christian Benteke (56.2% of 258) and Sébastian Haller (51.4% of 414(!!)). Those are the only four players to have a success rate above 50% of 50+ duels

20/21: McBurnie won 139 of 262 recorded aerial duels. In win % terms his 53.1% was third behind Christian Benteke (56.8% of 361) and Dominic Calvert-Lewin (53.3% of 289). Those are the only three forwards to record a success rate above 50% of 50+ duels.

Sources: https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/aerial_lost https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/aerial_won

There's a valid criticism of Wilder's tactics in those stats by the way - McBurnie was used as an outlet far too often as we lacked the composure to work the ball up the pitch.

I'd be interested to see how many goals came as a result of those aerial battles being won.

 

[Houston_Blade]

I mean he did today as he was about to tap the ball in twice

He did a lot a more than his lord and saviour lord william in his 20 minutes on the pitch

Sharp scored in those 20 mins, McBurnie touched the ball 9 times in the 30 mins (66 to 96) he was on the pitch. How's he done more?!

 

[cahill]

I bet every person slagging off mcburnie is aged over 50 and moans when the goalkeeper plays out from the back

What’s age got to do with it ?

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Sharp scored in those 20 mins, McBurnie touched the ball 9 times in the 30 mins (66 to 96) he was on the pitch. How's he done more?!

Sharp touched the ball 32 times according to whoscored , in his 96 mins by my calculations thats roughly the exact same as mcburnie

He also missed two sitters

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

He wasn't going to head it in. Look again, he's ahead of the ball. He's rarely in the right positions to score.

Watch again captain morgs

 

[Houston_Blade]

Sharp touched the ball 32 times according to whoscored , in his 96 mins by my calculations thats roughly the exact same as mcburnie

He also missed two sitters

A pertinent stat as you seem to have turned it into a Sharp v McBurnie debate.......

We won 1 nil. Sharp scored.

Therefore the most telling contribution of the match was by the bloke who you seem intent on slagging off.

Trot on.