The summer ahead

[SwissBlade]

I have to admit something... Danny Wilson is at least talking a good game!

As much as I think he will fail at the lane, I've been reading all of his talk and his philosophy looks about right.

But as I said before a lot of this has been heard before and a new manager always brings new ideas, but the ideas mean nothing unless they are put into practice and effective.

As Olle keeps saying, we're close to the start of preseason and the tour, six weeks tomorrow until the season kicks off.

So far we have one player who's come in, so lets hope the ones on the way out are aware that they're going, because the disruption of coming back for preseason and then players waiting/ wanting to leave is something we can do without.

Two things that we must have this season are well drilled set pieces (at both ends) and fitness... lets hope Danny Wilson's actions speak louder than words or he'll be on his bike quicker than even I think!

 

[SotonBlade]

I would expect everything to kick off once players are back. Deals are difficult to sort out when the players are on holiday. I expect a few outs before anyone else comes in. Monty will be first in my opinion.

 

[blade too long]

I imagine it would be hard to sign players who are sat on beaches around the med and the carribean, not to mention talk to some managers , on golf course

 

[Ollessendro]

Maybe its the fact that nobody wants any of our players,and the same fact that no one wants to come?

I think there is an element of truth in that. I just cannot see us shifting the likes of Cresswell, Collins and Simmonsen. However there has been interest in Monty, Quinn, Boggy, Hendo and Evans. All are capable of playing at a higher level and will attract bids or at least interest (maybe a free or 'undisclosed' fee)

I have to admit something... Danny Wilson is at least talking a good game!

As much as I think he will fail at the lane, I've been reading all of his talk and his philosophy looks about right.

But as I said before a lot of this has been heard before and a new manager always brings new ideas, but the ideas mean nothing unless they are put into practice and effective.

As Olle keeps saying, we're close to the start of preseason and the tour, six weeks tomorrow until the season kicks off.

So far we have one player who's come in, so lets hope the ones on the way out are aware that they're going, because the disruption of coming back for preseason and then players waiting/ wanting to leave is something we can do without.

Two things that we must have this season are well drilled set pieces (at both ends) and fitness... lets hope Danny Wilson's actions speak louder than words or he'll be on his bike quicker than even I think!

Sensible post Swiss. I see you are moving back into the clapper camp It just does not quite feel right when we are agreeing on things That said, I am happy that you (a seensible, balanced, postive poster) agree with my concerns and think that Wilson needs to start moving. He is talking the talk (I agree he is making positive noises) and now it is time to walk the walk.

I would expect everything to kick off once players are back. Deals are difficult to sort out when the players are on holiday. I expect a few outs before anyone else comes in. Monty will be first in my opinion.

I hope this is true, but I am not holding my breath. The players come back training next week and shortly after it is the 'famous 1st of July' where there is (supposedly) a rush of activity. However I feel Wilson will be up against it trying to build a squad in 2 weeks.

Wilson iis very experienced and we can only hope he is doing the ground work now. By this I mean talking to players (and their agents) who are almost out of contract, lining up replacements for if the high earners do go and working with Pemberton to see which of the academy/development squad will be stepping up.

 

[SwissBlade]

I imagine it would be hard to sign players who are sat on beaches around the med and the carribean, not to mention talk to some managers , on golf course

Why? They manage to tweet/ go on facebook from their mobiles, so why wouldn't they have their mobiles with them on the beach?

Agents - Pre Summer and Summer is surely their busiest time, so would they be laying on a beach too when they could be earning big deals.

Clubs - Managers will surely have given lists to the club - Players that they don't want to sell/ Players that they'll consider offers for/ Players to sell.

Its not rocket science and seeing as though there is a bit of activity in the market I'd expect to have seen more than just the one lad coming in.

 

[blade too long]

Take a look on sky sports division one transfer page for all 24 clubs
its like my diary of dates with top models

not as busy as Id like

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Why? They manage to tweet/ go on facebook from their mobiles, so why wouldn't they have their mobiles with them on the beach?

Agents - Pre Summer and Summer is surely their busiest time, so would they be laying on a beach too when they could be earning big deals.

Clubs - Managers will surely have given lists to the club - Players that they don't want to sell/ Players that they'll consider offers for/ Players to sell.

Its not rocket science and seeing as though there is a bit of activity in the market I'd expect to have seen more than just the one lad coming in.

your talking prem players

our players can only afford old nokias , they dont have android phones

you cant discuss terms with factor 15 on your back , you can tweet yes but discuss bonuses , nah

I text on holiday , but I dont change jobs

If your a prem player getting 100k a week you can get a first class flight home to sign then go back for another week
our players and most div 1 players are probably on thomson holidays, and cant get back

a different world

 

[SwissBlade]

Having been a contractor for the last 8 years, I tend to get my jobs when I'm on holiday at the end of/ towards the end of a job as I tell the agents what I want, where I want to work and all the usual set up.

I'm not paid premier league footballers wages but I still manage to run a phone with Internet, but the point was that players will have their phones if they are in with a chance of a move.

 

[Ollessendro]

This nonsense about players not being available because they are on holiday is just pure garbage. As Swiss points out, deals can be done with agents, players and managers can interact through the net/phones/etc. Not only that, but not every player is on holiday. Sure, they are not training but it does not mean that they are on a beach in Barbados. Monty, Hendo and Boggy have all been spotted in Sheff/S Yorks by fans and Quinn has been interviewed by the Star/Sky Sports. I absolutely do not buy this 'you cannot sign players before pre season training starts'.

Before anyone comes back with the old chesnut, 'we are all in the same boat; noone else is signing anyone' look at this: http://www.footballforums.net/forum...-Summer-2011-League-One-INS-and-OUTS-Thread** Carlisle, Charlton, Colchester, Exeter, Notts County, Wednesay, Wycombe and Yeovil have signed more players than us. The vast majority have released players too.

 

[JJ Sefton]

I actually think its getting to the stage where the question of whether what we do is sensible or not matters less than that we do something.

 

[super_pig]

>We could end up with a small, depleted squad, lacking in any talent, pace or skill
naah.. we'd never sell our best players ten minutes before the deadline with no back up plan.. that would be stupid.. err.. hold on a minute
TBH as long as our 'highly regarded' centre mid moves and NOTHING ELSE i'll be dead chuffed

 

[SwissBlade]

I actually think its getting to the stage where the question of whether what we do is sensible or not matters less than that we do something.

Whilst I agree with the sentiments of this, getting in there first and giving ourselves a good chance to get the better players will obviously be a major factor. The sensible option may well end with us having gaping holes in our squad.

Even Yeovil are using Twitter to help them

I'm going for a lay down, all this agreeing with Ollie is making me dizzy

 

[Grecian2000]

I'm going for a lay down, all this agreeing with Ollie is making me dizzy

Indeed it is a strange position you seem to have got yourself.

On page 118/119 of this very forum there is the same thread as this from last season but titled "tick tock" (I'm surprised Olly didn't just Olicise instead of bothering with a new one). I would post a link to it if I knew how to!
It's quite a funny thread (although there are quite a few pages so it takes some getting through) and very similar to this apart from some bloke called SwissBlade seems to have done a 360 in the intervening months (oh and Lou as morphed into SCB).

Give it a read.

 

[raul]

Just to summarise, how many times in the thread did Lou change his mind about renewing?

 

[Ollessendro]

Indeed it is a strange position you seem to have got yourself.

On page 118/119 of this very forum there is the same thread as this from last season but titled "tick tock" (I'm surprised Olly didn't just Olicise instead of bothering with a new one). I would post a link to it if I knew how to!
It's quite a funny thread (although there are quite a few pages so it takes some getting through) and very similar to this apart from some bloke called SwissBlade seems to have done a 360 in the intervening months (oh and Lou as morphed into SCB).

Give it a read.

Here it is mucker: http://www.s24su.com/showthread.php?19287-tick-tock&highlight=

Never thought to 'Ollecise' it. Does not quite work the same as a new thread. Then all the anit KOC (we :heart: hoof) band come out and show their envy because another one of my threads has stimulated interesting debate and hit the double ton mark.

 

[JJ Sefton]

Whilst I agree with the sentiments of this, getting in there first and giving ourselves a good chance to get the better players will obviously be a major factor. The sensible option may well end with us having gaping holes in our squad.

Even Yeovil are using Twitter to help them

I'm going for a lay down, all this agreeing with Ollie is making me dizzy

Do we have time to be sensible? With pre season starting soon you have to wonder.

 

[Darren]

Do we have time to be sensible? With pre season starting soon you have to wonder.

If United want to do something that is not necessarily sensible, I am willing to offer my services as an experienced left winger, whose wage demands are fairly modest: £200 a week and a season ticket to La Chambre.

 

[JJ Sefton]

If United want to do something that is not necessarily sensible, I am willing to offer my services as an experienced left winger, whose wage demands are fairly modest: £200 a week and a season ticket to La Chambre.

Look, you know when people say "Sometimes its better to do nothing than to do something stupid"? Exactly, sometimes. Other times its better to do something stupid than nothing at all.

 

[Darren]

Look, you know when people say "Sometimes its better to do nothing than to do something stupid"? Exactly, sometimes. Other times its better to do something stupid than nothing at all.

Dp you know that Monty Python sketch where Graham Chapman is being interviwed by John Cleese and is captioned "Raymond Luxury Yacht". Cleese starts off by saying "Raymond Luxury Yacht.." to which Chapman interrupts, "sorry, it's spelled "Raymond Luxury Yacht" but pronounced "Throatwobbler Mangrove". Cleese pauses and then says "you're a very silly person and I'm not going to talk to you any more".

For some reason, the way this conversation is going made me think of that sketch

 

[blade too long]

This nonsense about players not being available because they are on holiday is just pure garbage. As Swiss points out, deals can be done with agents, players and managers can interact through the net/phones/etc. Not only that, but not every player is on holiday. Sure, they are not training but it does not mean that they are on a beach in Barbados. Monty, Hendo and Boggy have all been spotted in Sheff/S Yorks by fans and Quinn has been interviewed by the Star/Sky Sports. I absolutely do not buy this 'you cannot sign players before pre season training starts'.

Before anyone comes back with the old chesnut, 'we are all in the same boat; noone else is signing anyone' look at this: http://www.footballforums.net/forum...-Summer-2011-League-One-INS-and-OUTS-Thread** Carlisle, Charlton, Colchester, Exeter, Notts County, Wednesay, Wycombe and Yeovil have signed more players than us. The vast majority have released players too.

how have wednesday signed more than us

theyve only signed jones , who was on loan and Prutton

weve signed philliskirk who was on loan and lescinel


thats 2 each

in fact that football forums thread to which I contributed backs me up as 19 clubs have 2 or less in the in column

and the 5 thats done more have 3

so we are hardly at a disadvantage, stop making out we are dragging our feet when we are on a level playing field

only charlton have posted 5 , but 3 of those 5 are non league youngsters , or development squad player which we didnt claim, or wed have several more

 

[Ollessendro]

The news gets worse (http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foot...son_dampens_talk_of_transfer_flurry_1_3514806). Wilson is already talking down any drastic changes to the squad and saying we may only bring in 4 or so players. The opportunity of an overhaul, clear out the trash and real change of ethos/style further slips through our fingers.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

How many players do you think we would need to bring in to drastically change the playing style anyway? Mccabe has already said the development/Academy will be playing a big part next season, so why this is coming as news to you strikes me as a bit odd.

 

[Ollessendro]

How many players do you think we would need to bring in to drastically change the playing style anyway? Mccabe has already said the development/Academy will be playing a big part next season, so why this is coming as news to you strikes me as a bit odd.

It depends on who leaves, but I would be looking to bring in 6/7/8 players. That is with the dual objective of playing attacking, passing/free flowing, attractive football and pushing for promotion.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Exactly. It depends on who leaves. If we can't get shut of some top earners, then very few people will be coming in.

Which is why in the other thread i said that i don't expect a promotion push. We may have to wait a season for peoples contracts to run out before we can build a squad good enough to compete playing lovely football.

 

[Bladesway]

Oh belting stuff Ollie. So set the target of new players as unachievable and you will be proved right. Come on, anyone knows you can't objectively bring that level of change into a club in the timeframe available. Also, its what Wilson believes (which he appears to be working on by the way) that is important, not what we want/think is right. The clock is ticking sure enough, but it always is. It always will be.

I've always said 4-5 players of the right calibre and mentality will change the club overnight rather than 8-9 of any old crap you can get your paws on. As for doing anything being better than doing nothing, I'm not sure I have ever read something so short sighted in all my life (cue specsavers joke via KOC). We have spiralled out of control because of a lack of stability. Doing stupid quick things now is nothing short of a gamble on long odds. Combine the youth and the good parts of what we have with some new players and we might just be ok.

 

[Ollessendro]

Oh belting stuff Ollie. So set the target of new players as unachievable and you will be proved right. Come on, anyone knows you can't objectively bring that level of change into a club in the timeframe available. Also, its what Wilson believes (which he appears to be working on by the way) that is important, not what we want/think is right. The clock is ticking sure enough, but it always is. It always will be.

I've always said 4-5 players of the right calibre and mentality will change the club overnight rather than 8-9 of any old crap you can get your paws on. As for doing anything being better than doing nothing, I'm not sure I have ever read something so short sighted in all my life (cue specsavers joke via KOC). We have spiralled out of control because of a lack of stability. Doing stupid quick things now is nothing short of a gamble on long odds. Combine the youth and the good parts of what we have with some new players and we might just be ok.

Thought you were giving this thread a rest. You may as well have to be honest.

I think something has got to give. We have the unsustainable salaried failures brigade that cannot be shifted though. But to be honest I would take you 4-5 players of the right calibre and mentality right now. I might not be saying that if we manage to shift some of the overpaid deadwodd mind.

I never said anything about doing anything rather than nothing. I have clearly stated what I think should happen. First, release some players. Second, announce/make clear that players are available and that they are not wanted (leaning to offloading some players) and then sign some players. But of course this is not possible in the timeline. Wilson has been in post for a month and it is a month to the start of the season. How ridiculous of me to think that Wilson could build a team over the entire summer. Bladesway you are a typical United-ite. Makign excuses alreay. Accept mediocrity. Ah, it'll be reit. Nice one.

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Now Wilson is talking about giving the overpaid, apathetic, proven failures on unsustainable wages another chance (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11719_7007451,00.html). Geez, it gets worse. Opportunity missed. Same owd (as BB would say).

 

[Big Mart]

Combine the youth and the good parts of what we have

We don't have anything remotely good though. Worst squad we've had in years, and the bloke who talks a good game but who offers sod all to bring any talent in doesn't help matters.

Club in decline, will hate to be proved correct on that, but I can't see a single thing at the Lane to enthuse about.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Thought you were giving this thread a rest. You may as well have to be honest.

I think something has got to give. We have the unsustainable salaried failures brigade that cannot be shifted though. But to be honest I would take you 4-5 players of the right calibre and mentality right now. I might not be saying that if we manage to shift some of the overpaid deadwodd mind.

I never said anything about doing anything rather than nothing. I have clearly stated what I think should happen. First, release some players. Second, announce/make clear that players are available and that they are not wanted (leaning to offloading some players) and then sign some players. But of course this is not possible in the timeline. Wilson has been in post for a month and it is a month to the start of the season. How ridiculous of me to think that Wilson could build a team over the entire summer. Bladesway you are a typical United-ite. Makign excuses alreay. Accept mediocrity. Ah, it'll be reit. Nice one.

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Now Wilson is talking about giving the overpaid, apathetic, proven failures on unsustainable wages another chance (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11719_7007451,00.html). Geez, it gets worse. Opportunity missed. Same owd (as BB would say).

Could you explain to this thicko how wilson would go about getting rid of these players if no club wants them?

 

[bricktop]

Thought you were giving this thread a rest. You may as well have to be honest.

I think something has got to give. We have the unsustainable salaried failures brigade that cannot be shifted though. But to be honest I would take you 4-5 players of the right calibre and mentality right now. I might not be saying that if we manage to shift some of the overpaid deadwodd mind.

I never said anything about doing anything rather than nothing. I have clearly stated what I think should happen. First, release some players. Second, announce/make clear that players are available and that they are not wanted (leaning to offloading some players) and then sign some players. But of course this is not possible in the timeline. Wilson has been in post for a month and it is a month to the start of the season. How ridiculous of me to think that Wilson could build a team over the entire summer. Bladesway you are a typical United-ite. Makign excuses alreay. Accept mediocrity. Ah, it'll be reit. Nice one.

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Now Wilson is talking about giving the overpaid, apathetic, proven failures on unsustainable wages another chance (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11719_7007451,00.html). Geez, it gets worse. Opportunity missed. Same owd (as BB would say).

Go on then Olly, how do you quantify a typical Unitedite? Somebody who makes excuses why we are heading for another mediocre season as it stands, someone who can take an objective look at the club, and not only be honest and accept the fact we are in a rut of mediocrity if people like it or not, but also understand the reasons why. The bottom line is that as a club the Blades don't have much money knocking about, we have a chairman who quite clearly would sell up as soon as he could and will not be investing any more money in the club any time soon, and is trying to recoup his losses.

I was dead set against the appointment of Danny Wilson, but i can recognise that it still relatively early in the close season for a lot of transfers to take place, and even though we have not been exactly active in the transfer market so far, there is still another 6 weeks until the season starts, and its only going to be the next couple of weeks when it hots up in the transfer market regarding side below top flight level.

If i was you rather than banging on incessantly day in, day out about what the club is doing or more pertinently not doing, why don't you give yourself a couple of weeks holiday from the forum, enjoy doing some stuff and chill the fuck out, you might even like it.

 

[Jonboy60]

Cannot believe that given Wilson is on a hiding to nothin, and the shit will surely hit the fan if we don't get of to a good start,that behind the scenes he's not got some master plan up his sleeve regarding players in/out for start of season.

 

[bricktop]

But how do you

a, get rid of the higher earners, who are on wages and contracts that other teams will not match for a player of their calibre
b, given we have not good much money to spend on wage, how do we attractive the players of quality to get us out of that division, given there is plenty who have got a lot more to spend than us