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I know you can't compare BDTB to any normal company, but if you have an item you want to sell (ie) so called footballers then the principal should be the same as any other company when you need to get rid. What are there wages, how many years left on contract, multiply one with the other. Then sell for said amount, minus 10% for blue cross on forehead,10% for damaged goods and10% for cash,BOGOF. That's cresswell and hendo gone for £1/6d.
 



Thought you were giving this thread a rest. You may as well have to be honest.

I think something has got to give. We have the unsustainable salaried failures brigade that cannot be shifted though. But to be honest I would take you 4-5 players of the right calibre and mentality right now. I might not be saying that if we manage to shift some of the overpaid deadwodd mind.

I never said anything about doing anything rather than nothing. I have clearly stated what I think should happen. First, release some players. Second, announce/make clear that players are available and that they are not wanted (leaning to offloading some players) and then sign some players. But of course this is not possible in the timeline. Wilson has been in post for a month and it is a month to the start of the season. How ridiculous of me to think that Wilson could build a team over the entire summer. Bladesway you are a typical United-ite. Makign excuses alreay. Accept mediocrity. Ah, it'll be reit. Nice one.

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Now Wilson is talking about giving the overpaid, apathetic, proven failures on unsustainable wages another chance (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11719_7007451,00.html). Geez, it gets worse. Opportunity missed. Same owd (as BB would say).

Now here was a man who was having a dig at me for insults and sarcasm. What do you do, lace in with exactly what you criticised me for. Poor show I'm afraid. Hypocricy and deliberate smudging of the facts to make your own points stick. I was going to leave it but then I decided not to. Should have left it in your opinion?

The points you miss frequently are down to your utter inability to listen to anyone elses point or take on board anything other than your own over inflated viewpoint. I for one never wanted Wilson as Manager. I agree a massive opportunity was missed (again). If you read anything anyone else ever posted you would see I am a massive critic of McCabe and what hasn't happened at the club. His mis-appointments of Robson, Blackwell, Speed, Adams are all reasons for us being where we are combined with his stripping of first team assets to prop up his failure to appoint the right man. I don't however want to blame a bloke (Wilson) who has taken a job a month ago and is already working with a squad no one wants to buy and will have to work with freebies and both hands tied behind his back. Sir Alex Ferguson couldn't do anything with the mess at our club let alone Danny Wilson.

As for my previous comments on doing anything rather than nothing, your so self obsessed and want people to look at you up high you have missed that I was actually talking about someone elses point not your own. Your not the only one posting on this thread (although in your world you may as well be).

Just for once and if possible put yourself in someone elses shoes, Danny Wilson:-

No one has bid for any of our dead wood. You know how it works, if anyone had McCabe would have offloaded quick as you like.

He may well be left with a squad of crap from last season if this is the case. What does he do? He could put them all on the transfer market (not really good for Moral) or he could big them up and say they are going to get another chance to get them onside. I think what he says here is for the latter.

If he doesn't get rid he has no choice because McCabe is the one pulling the strings here not Wilson. McCabe will say when players go, McCabe will say how much (probably nothing) Wilson has to spend.

So he can't get anything other than bits and bobs in because thats what McCabe has given him as options.

Don't blame Wilson, blame the man who has been running this club into a wall since he realised giving Robson millions to spend wasn't his best ever idea.

Same owd as has been said, but most certainly not the managers fault.
 
Go on then Olly, how do you quantify a typical Unitedite? Somebody who makes excuses why we are heading for another mediocre season as it stands, someone who can take an objective look at the club, and not only be honest and accept the fact we are in a rut of mediocrity if people like it or not, but also understand the reasons why. The bottom line is that as a club the Blades don't have much money knocking about, we have a chairman who quite clearly would sell up as soon as he could and will not be investing any more money in the club any time soon, and is trying to recoup his losses.

I was dead set against the appointment of Danny Wilson, but i can recognise that it still relatively early in the close season for a lot of transfers to take place, and even though we have not been exactly active in the transfer market so far, there is still another 6 weeks until the season starts, and its only going to be the next couple of weeks when it hots up in the transfer market regarding side below top flight level.

If i was you rather than banging on incessantly day in, day out about what the club is doing or more pertinently not doing, why don't you give yourself a couple of weeks holiday from the forum, enjoy doing some stuff and chill the fuck out, you might even like it.

Save you patronism. I am chilled, but I care about my club. This is a forum where people express opinions. Some positive and some negative. Idf you don't like it then go to the North Korean Blades forum or take a forum holiday yourself.

A typical United-ite is someone who accepts mediocrity. Someone who does not question things and gicves the old South Yorkshire 'it'll be reit'. Someone who has issues, but does not really raise them. Who sits back and does not question things. A person that looks through their red and white specs at everything.

Could you explain to this thicko how wilson would go about getting rid of these players if no club wants them?

See my response to Brownie below
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But how do you

a, get rid of the higher earners, who are on wages and contracts that other teams will not match for a player of their calibre
b, given we have not good much money to spend on wage, how do we attractive the players of quality to get us out of that division, given there is plenty who have got a lot more to spend than us

a) Make them available, tell them and their agents they are not wanted, transfer list them, contact clubs and say they are avilable or if it comes to it come to an agreement to pay them off.
b)a good scouting system, knowledge of the lower leagues, talent spotting and good wheeling and dealing. There are good young (and experienced) players in the lower leagues that will be available and happy to come to us. It is jts finding them. There is also Scotland. Mackay built a team this way at Watford on a salary cap of 5k a week.

Now here was a man who was having a dig at me for insults and sarcasm. What do you do, lace in with exactly what you criticised me for. Poor show I'm afraid. Hypocricy and deliberate smudging of the facts to make your own points stick. I was going to leave it but then I decided not to. Should have left it in your opinion?

The points you miss frequently are down to your utter inability to listen to anyone elses point or take on board anything other than your own over inflated viewpoint. I for one never wanted Wilson as Manager. I agree a massive opportunity was missed (again). If you read anything anyone else ever posted you would see I am a massive critic of McCabe and what hasn't happened at the club. His mis-appointments of Robson, Blackwell, Speed, Adams are all reasons for us being where we are combined with his stripping of first team assets to prop up his failure to appoint the right man. I don't however want to blame a bloke (Wilson) who has taken a job a month ago and is already working with a squad no one wants to buy and will have to work with freebies and both hands tied behind his back. Sir Alex Ferguson couldn't do anything with the mess at our club let alone Danny Wilson.

As for my previous comments on doing anything rather than nothing, your so self obsessed and want people to look at you up high you have missed that I was actually talking about someone elses point not your own. Your not the only one posting on this thread (although in your world you may as well be).

Just for once and if possible put yourself in someone elses shoes, Danny Wilson:-

No one has bid for any of our dead wood. You know how it works, if anyone had McCabe would have offloaded quick as you like.

He may well be left with a squad of crap from last season if this is the case. What does he do? He could put them all on the transfer market (not really good for Moral) or he could big them up and say they are going to get another chance to get them onside. I think what he says here is for the latter.

If he doesn't get rid he has no choice because McCabe is the one pulling the strings here not Wilson. McCabe will say when players go, McCabe will say how much (probably nothing) Wilson has to spend.

So he can't get anything other than bits and bobs in because thats what McCabe has given him as options.

Don't blame Wilson, blame the man who has been running this club into a wall since he realised giving Robson millions to spend wasn't his best ever idea.

Same owd as has been said, but most certainly not the managers fault.

Are you trying to bore me into submission?

I like how you attempt to fight 'hypocrisy' with hypocrisy. It is you who is not listening (or reading actually). I have stated that I am behind Wilson. He has my full support. He has a very difficult job and I wish him all the best. Believe me when I say I hope he proves me wrong and takes us up this year. That said it does not mean that I can form an opinion about his actiions and make a judgement on the way he is doing his job.

Wilson is, however, in charge of building the squad for next year and I am underwhlemed by how it is going. His hands are tied somewhat though I agree. And it is a combination of McCabe, the board, Blackwell and Adams that we have a poor, overpaid squad in the third tier. Wilson is really up against it. However imo he has not done enough (to date) with the squad. I think we need a complete overhaul and change of philosophy. It seems that Mr Wilson does not. He did not watch thiose overpaid failures last year, but he thinks he can work with them. Maybe he will change his mind and there will be activity after they come back to train.

You could of course be right. If we kept the same squad and signed two very good, pacey wingers and a good, experienced centre back plus maybe a couple of squad players then we could do well. It would mean keeping Slew, Hendo, Quinn and possibly Yeates, Evans and Bogdnovic. Also using the youth well. But my fear is that the wage bill is unsustainable and that these big earning players (who apatehetically failed and got us relegated) will not actually perform.

I agree that appointing Wilson was an opportunity missed, but it does not mean that we missed the opportunity to change the style and ethos of the club. I thought Wilson was capable of that. However to date, he has shown little that indicates he will do son.
 
everyone said that there would be queues forming to get at our 'best players' like the maestro, hendo and quinn. .the fact that noone is there speaks volumes IMO
 
a) Make them available, tell them and their agents they are not wanted, transfer list them, contact clubs and say they are avilable or if it comes to it come to an agreement to pay them off.

They are available/Transfer List them/Contact clubs to say they are available amounts to pretty much the same thing. And if i remember correctly McCabe pretty much said they were all available.

The players agents will have been on the blower to other clubs anyway to get their clients clubs in the championship. Telling the players they aren't wanted can backfire spectacularly if they are happy to sit out their contracts because they can't get a better deal elsewhere.

Money is tight everywhere. Football chairmen will not want highly paid players sitting on their books all summer if they can pick them up in august or September time.


What players would you pay up? I can't see the logic of this unless a player is prepared to accept a massive reduction in what his contract is worth. There's always the chance that some fool will come in a nd give you money for them.
 
15 days to Malta

So we offload our first player. As many suspected it is the high earning target man Henderson. Now we are one in (or 2 if you count Philkirk), one out. Henderson going should free up some wage space and hopefully we will see some other ght eraners out of the door in the next few days.

Players start back at training imminently and it is the much hyped 'end of June/1st of July, when contracts end and we can expect a flurry of transfer activity.

This should be a very busy couple of weeks for Wilson and the next 14 days could define our season (and probably decide whether he still has a job in 6 months). Time to get moving Danny boy. Good luck. I will be watching like a hawk.
 
So we offload our first player. As many suspected it is the high earning target man Henderson. Now we are one in (or 2 if you count Philkirk), one out. Henderson going should free up some wage space and hopefully we will see some other ght eraners out of the door in the next few days.

Players start back at training imminently and it is the much hyped 'end of June/1st of July, when contracts end and we can expect a flurry of transfer activity.

This should be a very busy couple of weeks for Wilson and the next 14 days could define our season (and probably decide whether he still has a job in 6 months). Time to get moving Danny boy. Good luck. I will be watching like a hawk.
Olle, what other departures would you see now that things have started moving?

I'm guessing Monty would be high up on your list. If Monty and Evans go, I think personally that is enough, Cresswell won't be going anywhere, and I personally would like to keep Quinn out of the higher earners.
 
Olle, what other departures would you see now that things have started moving?

I'm guessing Monty would be high up on your list. If Monty and Evans go, I think personally that is enough, Cresswell won't be going anywhere, and I personally would like to keep Quinn out of the higher earners.

Would I like to see, or do I see Wilf? I'll answer both:

- like to see: Monty, Evans, Cressy, Quinn, Yeates, Collins and Simmonsen out of the door. (But I cannot see it, so see below)
- will see: Monty, Evans and Slew are almost certain to depart. I imagine that Quinn will too.

Providing that we only shift Monty, Evans, Quinn and Slew, then I would like to see us bring in: two pacey wingers, a quick striker and an experienced, tough CB (at a minimum). A centre midfielder that is creative, has some flair and can pass would be an added bonus.
 
1st of July

The day finally arrives. All the contracts have come to an end, the players have returned to training and we can sit back and eagerly anticipate the 'flurry of transfer activity' in the coming days and weeks.

Personally I have given up hope of anything other than a mid table finish this year. The 2 weeks before Malta are not enough for Wilson to make any drastic changes to the squad. I suspect that we'll lose Monty, Quinn and Evans and bring in 3 or 4 players. That will be it. Opportunity missed. And when Wilson tries to get this team playing oliek Brazil, he'll quickly realise it is more like the Horse and Jockey team playing footy on the beach on their hols than any Samba style stuff we might be hoping for.
 
The day finally arrives. All the contracts have come to an end, the players have returned to training and we can sit back and eagerly anticipate the 'flurry of transfer activity' in the coming days and weeks.

Personally I have given up hope of anything other than a mid table finish this year. The 2 weeks before Malta are not enough for Wilson to make any drastic changes to the squad. I suspect that we'll lose Monty, Quinn and Evans and bring in 3 or 4 players. That will be it. Opportunity missed. And when Wilson tries to get this team playing oliek Brazil, he'll quickly realise it is more like the Horse and Jockey team playing footy on the beach on their hols than any Samba style stuff we might be hoping for.

1. The day has come when activity starts
2. I've already given up hope

:rolleyes:
 
1. The day has come when activity starts
2. I've already given up hope

:rolleyes:

1) so do you think Wilson can significantly reshape the team in 2 weeks?
2) (as we are more likely to lose players than sign any) can you see us having a team capable of pushing for promotion by 14th of July?

Wilson has been in post 5 weeks and has singed one player. He has also said he is giving everyone (i.e. all the current squad) a chance. This is the reason I have given up hope. All summer and time is nowing running out. I am getting closer to saying 'I told you so' (again).

As I said last year ..... tick tock ....
 
1) so do you think Wilson can significantly reshape the team in 2 weeks?
2) (as we are more likely to lose players than sign any) can you see us having a team capable of pushing for promotion by 14th of July?

Wilson has been in post 5 weeks and has singed one player. He has also said he is giving everyone (i.e. all the current squad) a chance. This is the reason I have given up hope. All summer and time is nowing running out. I am getting closer to saying 'I told you so' (again).

As I said last year ..... tick tock ....

Singed one player, blimey, ruling with an iron fist :)

He doesn't need to re-shape the team in 2 weeks, neither does he have to have a promotion winning team by 14th.

He's inherited players who are more than capable of doing well in this division given three or four signings which will happen in due course regardless of players leaving, he's said as much. Unfortunately, the outgoings mean that the issue is clouded and this is his biggest problem and the reason why, more than likely, signings will be made post Malta.

Of course he'd like to have his full squad available sooner rather than later but the fact this is unlikely to happen hardly means the season is finished already. If you want to tell us all 'I told you so' because he hasn't signed players quickly enough for your liking then fine but it's ridiculous to start doom mongering at this stage.
 
Singed one player, blimey, ruling with an iron fist :)

He doesn't need to re-shape the team in 2 weeks, neither does he have to have a promotion winning team by 14th.

He's inherited players who are more than capable of doing well in this division given three or four signings which will happen in due course regardless of players leaving, he's said as much. Unfortunately, the outgoings mean that the issue is clouded and this is his biggest problem and the reason why, more than likely, signings will be made post Malta.

Of course he'd like to have his full squad available sooner rather than later but the fact this is unlikely to happen hardly means the season is finished already. If you want to tell us all 'I told you so' because he hasn't signed players quickly enough for your liking then fine but it's ridiculous to start doom mongering at this stage.

so essentially, like myself, you are accpeting mediocrity and have given up hope of a promotion push for the next season?
 
so essentially, like myself, you are accpeting mediocrity and have given up hope of a promotion push for the next season?

I repeat, "He's inherited players who are more than capable of doing well in this division".

How does that equate to 'accepting mediocrity' ?

If you want to fear the worst, fine, go ahead. Let's have a discussion about how we're likely to do on the eve of the 1st game in 5 weeks time.
 



tick tock indeed Ollie, its show time for Wilson now... This is where he can really let rip with media appearances.
 
tick tock indeed Ollie, its show time for Wilson now... This is where he can really let rip with media appearances.

Indeed matey. He appears to be concentrating more on getting to Cannes next year, rather than getting us to to the dizzy heights of the second division.
 
Indeed matey. He appears to be concentrating more on getting to Cannes next year, rather than getting us to to the dizzy heights of the second division.

Hell, I'd take any success in Europe at this stage.
 
Indeed matey. He appears to be concentrating more on getting to Cannes next year, rather than getting us to to the dizzy heights of the second division.

Still I suppose its better than a previous manager that spent a lot of time on the Cans ;)
 
10 days to Malta

It is now the 4th of July and we are ten days away from the training camp in Malta. The magic 1st of July has passed and we still await the flurry of transfer activity. The wage bill still needs to be decreased, question marks hang over half a dozen players and we've seen 2 permanent signings.

I guess Wilson thinks he can do something with this current squad. I am guessing he thinks he only needs to bring in 3 or 4 players to make this side capable of pushing for promotion. If he thinks he has the core of his squad then I guess bringing in 2 or 3 new players after (or during) Malta could still work.

The overhaul that we hoped and expected is not happening. We have to hiope that Wilson can inject some confidence into the current squad and get these kids, failures, crocks and over the hill failures playing. Hope that he brings in 3 or 4 players that inject some pace, passion, skill and energy into the current squad.

I'm still concerned at the lack of players going out of the door and the potential effect on the squad. If Quinn, Monty, Boggy, Evans and possibly Slew go late in the summer then it leaves Wilson less time to manouvere.
 
As i've stated earlier in this thread, Chairmen will not want highly paid players on their books all summer, so i would expect a lot of outgoings towards late august. Unfortunately this means we're pretty much screwed for bringing people in, but this is only a problem if you're the type of person that is demanding a promotion push in the coming season.....
 
It is now the 4th of July and we are ten days away from the training camp in Malta. The magic 1st of July has passed and we still await the flurry of transfer activity. The wage bill still needs to be decreased, question marks hang over half a dozen players and we've seen 2 permanent signings.

I guess Wilson thinks he can do something with this current squad. I am guessing he thinks he only needs to bring in 3 or 4 players to make this side capable of pushing for promotion. If he thinks he has the core of his squad then I guess bringing in 2 or 3 new players after (or during) Malta could still work.

The overhaul that we hoped and expected is not happening. We have to hiope that Wilson can inject some confidence into the current squad and get these kids, failures, crocks and over the hill failures playing. Hope that he brings in 3 or 4 players that inject some pace, passion, skill and energy into the current squad.

I'm still concerned at the lack of players going out of the door and the potential effect on the squad. If Quinn, Monty, Boggy, Evans and possibly Slew go late in the summer then it leaves Wilson less time to manouvere.

Its turning into the same old same old olle would you be surprised if we sold a few on August 31st and then we had to loan.
 
Its turning into the same old same old olle would you be surprised if we sold a few on August 31st and then we had to loan.


That wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to be honest, but i'd hope Wilson will be able to form a squad capable of not being relegated from the players already at his disposal. The most important thing for next season is to start building a platform for the season after in my book.
 
tick tock :D

To remphasis the point, tick tock indeed!

Either a flood of ins and outs is forthcoming or we're heading for the worst preseasons imaginable....

The question is, are you two getting your knickers in a twist just because things are moving slowly, or do you believe the manager / club aren't doing enough in which case it suits certain agendas ?
 
The question is, are you two getting your knickers in a twist just because things are moving slowly, or do you believe the manager / club aren't doing enough in which case it suits certain agendas ?

So are you happy with the way things are going at the moment Jim??
 
So are you happy with the way things are going at the moment Jim??

I'm neither happy nor unhappy, of course I'd rather we had 95% of the squad in place for Malta but for all the reasons scattered over numerous threads, this is unlikely to happen. I just don't see the point of doing a daily countdown with 'I told you so' waiting to be cut and pasted.

We all knew this Summer was going to be difficult, on top of that we have a new manager who needs to assess the players he already has, we're inevitably waiting on the transfer merry-go-round and have less money to spend than we have for the last 6 or 7 years so anyone expecting mass changes quickly was always going to be disappointed.
 



I'm neither happy nor unhappy, of course I'd rather we had 95% of the squad in place for Malta but for all the reasons scattered over numerous threads, this is unlikely to happen. I just don't see the point of doing a daily countdown with 'I told you so' waiting to be cut and pasted.

We all knew this Summer was going to be difficult, on top of that we have a new manager who needs to assess the players he already has, we're inevitably waiting on the transfer merry-go-round and have less money to spend than we have for the last 6 or 7 years so anyone expecting mass changes quickly was always going to be disappointed.

The way i see it is we have no money to spend need to get rid of 5 or 6 big earners and replace with any juniors that are ready ie Maguire and slew and then bring in the rest on a free. At the moment we have 1 gone on big money, evans will surely following then am not sure who else at this moment.
 

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