James Garner

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Le Cynique said:
I don't think anyone expected Rooney to be quite such the utter failure that he's proven to be so far.
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Fair point guess they’ll have looked at ole, Lampard, gerrard and projected him to be the same how wrong they were.
 

Roygbiv said:
I don't think Rooney has shown anything to suggest he's going to be a good manager but I'm not sure anyone would achieve much at Derby right now.
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Exactly. I’m not saying he’s been fantastic but Derby are a mess and despite that he still managed to pull them out of the relegation zone which is far from being an utter failure.
 
LJBlade said:
In what way has he been an utter failure?
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  • Doesn't play the same team from week to week
  • Stubbornly insists on picking people based on what they'd done in training, despite them then proving that such a course of action was a mistake when on the field of play
  • Idiotically fell into one of their best players in a keep-ball session, injuring him and causing him to miss 12 weeks
  • Putting himself into ridiculous and avoidable situations like the recent party and allowing Josh Bardsley to deliver a watch to him in the midst of lockdown, who then tested positive for Covid-19 (granted, not entirely his fault, but why take the risk unless you're a fucking moron?)
  • Tactically inept
  • Only managed to keep Derby in the division because Wednesday got a points deduction
  • 27.8% win ratio, compared to Philip Cocu's 32.31%, which got him sacked
The only reason he's the manager there is because he doesn't argue with the chairman and he's a name. He's a fucking car crash manager at a fucking car crash club.
 
Le Cynique said:
  • Doesn't play the same team from week to week
  • Stubbornly insists on picking people based on what they'd done in training, despite them then proving that such a course of action was a mistake when on the field of play
  • Idiotically fell into one of their best players in a keep-ball session, injuring him and causing him to miss 12 weeks
  • Putting himself into ridiculous and avoidable situations like the recent party and allowing Josh Bardsley to deliver a watch to him in the midst of lockdown, who then tested positive for Covid-19 (granted, not entirely his fault, but why take the risk unless you're a fucking moron?)
  • Tactically inept
  • Only managed to keep Derby in the division because Wednesday got a points deduction
  • 27.8% win ratio, compared to Philip Cocu's 32.31%, which got him sacked
The only reason he's the manager there is because he doesn't argue with the chairman and he's a name. He's a fucking car crash manager at a fucking car crash club.
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When he took over at Derby his sole remit would’ve been to keep them up and he did so. Everything on your list may make him a poor manager but it doesn’t make him an utter failure.
 
Pointless signing, no point signing him on loan and improving him just fo him to go back to Man utd. Pretty sure Brunt, Slater and N'Diaye (if he signs) could do just as good. Plus i cant see him playing regularly if he does join
 
blades14 said:
Pointless signing, no point signing him on loan and improving him just fo him to go back to Man utd. Pretty sure Brunt, Slater and N'Diaye (if he signs) could do just as good. Plus i cant see him playing regularly if he does join
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How many times have you seen him play B14? You are aware that he's a different type of player to all those you mention I presume?

He managed to get into both Watford's and Forest's sides last season - why do you think he wouldn't get into Utd's?

Were you not in favour of Utd loaning Henderson either?
 
blades14 said:
Pointless signing, no point signing him on loan and improving him just fo him to go back to Man utd. Pretty sure Brunt, Slater and N'Diaye (if he signs) could do just as good. Plus i cant see him playing regularly if he does join
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Slater, with all due respect to the kid, is a bit wank
 
Mouth of the South said:
How many times have you seen him play B14? You are aware that he's a different type of player to all those you mention I presume?

He managed to get into both Watford's and Forest's sides last season - why do you think he wouldn't get into Utd's?
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Sorry i assume you know all about this player in which you probably don't but you act like you do on the forum to seem 'intelligent'. You tell me where he would play in our system. Enlighten me
 
blades14 said:
Sorry i assume you know all about this player in which you probably don't but you act like you do on the forum to seem 'intelligent'. You tell me where he would play in our system. Enlighten me
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We know he's a damn sight better than Regan Slater
 
blades14 said:
Sorry i assume you know all about this player in which you probably don't but you act like you do on the forum to seem 'intelligent'. You tell me where he would play in our system. Enlighten me
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As you've seemingly written him off, I would assume you'd already know but in my view I think he could play in either a double pivot, in a flatter mid 3 as a box-to-box player, or as a more advanced midfielder.

As well as another very capable body in what is a midfield depleted on numbers, I think he'd add much needed energy, mobility and creativity.

Ok, you've heard my view - I'd be interested why you think he'd be a "pointless signing" and could be covered by three who players who together have accumulated a total of 2 senior appearances for Utd.
 

If Berge stays, the double pivot would be with Berge and Norwood and i don't see him dropping either. Then you've got Fleck who if we did play a 3 would be in the side. Viera (close to signing) would be ahead of him in a defensive midfield position. He would be used sparingly, im not saying Garner is a bad player, i'm saying with the limited minutes he would get i don't see why we cant include the 3 midfielders i've mentioned and try and get them on the pitch and get more experience nad hopefully improve them
 
LJBlade said:
When he took over at Derby his sole remit would’ve been to keep them up and he did so. Everything on your list may make him a poor manager but it doesn’t make him an utter failure.
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Except it wasn't. It was to build on what they'd achieved previously. Not only did he not do that, he actually made them worse, and if the Pigs hadn't been deducted points, or if the EFL had managed to get a points sanction against Derby, they would have gone down.

He's made the club a laughing stock both on and off the pitch, he's injured one of their best young players, he only managed to keep them up through sheer luck and other things going their way and he's so far showing why good players don't always make good managers.

Granted, they didn't have great players there and there were things happening behind the scenes that he couldn't control - it wasn't all his fault. However, better managers have managed to have a better go at things than he's done this season. They're fucked with him in charge again, and if I was in charge at Man U I wouldn't be letting any youngsters go within ten miles of them.
 
LJBlade said:
See my following posts
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But for a last minute equalizer from Cardiff at home to Rotherham they'd have gone down. But for Wendy's point deduction they'd have gone down. They got so so lucky it's untrue.
Their fans think he's woeful. You can't really argue with that.
 
BrianBadonde said:
But for a last minute equalizer from Cardiff at home to Rotherham they'd have gone down. But for Wendy's point deduction they'd have gone down. They got so so lucky it's untrue.
Their fans think he's woeful. You can't really argue with that.
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Maybe so but they’re still a Championship team. Poor manager he may be but achieved the target set out for him.
 
Le Cynique said:
Except it wasn't. It was to build on what they'd achieved previously. Not only did he not do that, he actually made them worse, and if the Pigs hadn't been deducted points, or if the EFL had managed to get a points sanction against Derby, they would have gone down.

He's made the club a laughing stock both on and off the pitch, he's injured one of their best young players, he only managed to keep them up through sheer luck and other things going their way and he's so far showing why good players don't always make good managers.

Granted, they didn't have great players there and there were things happening behind the scenes that he couldn't control - it wasn't all his fault. However, better managers have managed to have a better go at things than he's done this season. They're fucked with him in charge again, and if I was in charge at Man U I wouldn't be letting any youngsters go within ten miles of them.
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When he took over they were 2nd bottom and they were there even with Wednesday’s points deduction. His target will absolutely have been to keep them up. Again, you’re listing things which make him a poor manager which I’m not arguing with.
 
LJBlade said:
When he took over they were 2nd bottom and they were there even with Wednesday’s points deduction. His target will absolutely have been to keep them up. Again, you’re listing things which make him a poor manager which I’m not arguing with.
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He had 36 games in charge last season. His target was to do more than just 'keep them up'. That's a target you give to someone with 10 games of the season left.

And, as BrianBadonde has pointed out, the stayed up by the skin of their teeth, relying on factors that were completely outside of their control.
 
Le Cynique said:
He had 36 games in charge last season. His target was to do more than just 'keep them up'. That's a target you give to someone with 10 games of the season left.

And, as BrianBadonde has pointed out, the stayed up by the skin of their teeth, relying on factors that were completely outside of their control.
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Skin of their teeth, factors beyond their control, however you want to think of it they’re still a Championship team. They were bottom two before he arrived and they were higher than that at the end of the season, in a position which saw them avoid relegation. As a club they’re a shambles, it won’t have been easy to come into that situation part way through the season. Argue he’s a poor manager but ‘utter failure’ is quite clearly incorrect.
 
LJBlade said:
Skin of their teeth, factors beyond their control, however you want to think of it they’re still a Championship team. They were bottom two before he arrived and they were higher than that at the end of the season, in a position which saw them avoid relegation. As a club they’re a shambles, it won’t have been easy to come into that situation part way through the season. Argue he’s a poor manager but ‘utter failure’ is quite clearly incorrect.
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OK mate, whatever you say. Give Wayne my regards won't you ;)
 
LJBlade said:
Skin of their teeth, factors beyond their control, however you want to think of it they’re still a Championship team. They were bottom two before he arrived and they were higher than that at the end of the season, in a position which saw them avoid relegation. As a club they’re a shambles, it won’t have been easy to come into that situation part way through the season. Argue he’s a poor manager but ‘utter failure’ is quite clearly incorrect.
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When does a poor manager become an utter failure in the LJBlade failure measurement table?
Just wanting to reference when I can and can't use these terms

Thanks in advance
 
BrianBadonde said:
When does a poor manager become an utter failure in the LJBlade failure measurement table?
Just wanting to reference when I can and can't use these terms

Thanks in advance
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You didn’t use the term. I apologise for disagreeing with you though.
 
LJBlade said:
You didn’t use the term. I apologise for disagreeing with you though.
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I don't need to, you clearly think he isn't an abject failure. So would be interested to know why you don't think he is, and what the scale of poor to failure is?
 
BrianBadonde said:
I don't need to, you clearly think he isn't an abject failure. So would be interested to know why you don't think he is, and what the scale of poor to failure is?
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I’ve given my reasons. You obviously disagree and that’s fine, I won’t be losing any sleep over it.
 

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