COVID Passport

[INTAKE BLADE]

No one should belive WHO they are the most corrupt organisation going.

You make me laugh on the recovery rate, the UK sites and the ONS and the WHO sites all give figures, and they all say the same, the mortality rate from covid is around 3%, not huge but when worldwide figures are looked at, today it stands at 189,888,905 cases (and of course there has to be that many untracked cases, particularly with asymptomatic and china telling lies, deaths 4,085,915, that is currently 2.15%, although worldwide there is still 12,551,144 not recovered, many in hospital. but it isn't the figures you quote. I still think Bramall Lane should open with no masks unless personal choice, no segregation, no half empty stadiums and no passports, but simply correcting figures.

 

[Oldun]

Yo have a link for that?

Not one I’m allowed to share, but press release from STH today is widely available;

Professor Chris Morley, Chief Nurse, Sheffield Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust, said: “In the last 10 days we have seen a steep rise in the number of people being admitted to hospital needing care for COVID-19. We have almost 50 people in hospital compared to single figures a couple of week ago and some of those are in ITU. The majority are under 50 and have not been vaccinated.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

The people who dont want the vaccine have not had full covid.

That's interesting. Is there now some sort of dilution of covid? You had double strength whereas someone else only had a 1 part juice 6 parts water dilution of it? You're aware it affects everyone differently?

Full covid indeed.

 

[robbiez666]

OH GOD THE NUTCASES HAVE APPEARED.

May as well close the thread down before they start talking about 5G.

I'll add a fact because I suspect they may soon be thin on the ground. No one knows how long antibodies last but the current scientific thinking is at least 90 days. The thing with COVID is, people don't just get it the same. It depends how much of the virus you get. Get a little bit and the antibodies don't last as long as if you're infected with a large dose. That depends on the carrier and your exposure to the carrier(s).

If you've had COVID, your antibodies might last 3 months, or 6 months, or 9 months, or who know, but the important fact here is no one knows. If you simply rely on that you have no idea how long your 'immunity' lasts for (you're not necessarily immune).

 

[Bruce Wayne]

OH GOD THE NUTCASES HAVE APPEARED.

May as well close the thread down before they start talking about 5G.

I'll add a fact because I suspect they may soon be thin on the ground. No one knows how long antibodies last but the current scientific thinking is at least 90 days. The thing with COVID is, people don't just get it the same. It depends how much of the virus you get. Get a little bit and the antibodies don't last as long as if you're infected with a large dose. That depends on the carrier and your exposure to the carrier(s).

If you've had COVID, your antibodies might last 3 months, or 6 months, or 9 months, or who know, but the important fact here is no one knows. If you simply rely on that you have no idea how long your 'immunity' lasts for (you're not necessarily immune).

We are way past 5G. However the Lizards are attracted to the Pfizer scent.

 

[Oldun]

OH GOD THE NUTCASES HAVE APPEARED.

May as well close the thread down before they start talking about 5G.

I'll add a fact because I suspect they may soon be thin on the ground. No one knows how long antibodies last but the current scientific thinking is at least 90 days. The thing with COVID is, people don't just get it the same. It depends how much of the virus you get. Get a little bit and the antibodies don't last as long as if you're infected with a large dose. That depends on the carrier and your exposure to the carrier(s).

Just for balance - the largest UK study to date showed covid antibodies lasted an average of 7 months after infection. Natural antibodies reduced the chance of reinfection by 85%.
SIREN study.

 

[Le Cynique]

Not exhausted or cynical at all, it's my opinion,
I have had 3 antibodie tests the last one was in May and came back positive, the vaccines were not around when I was infected so that point is irrelevant, I still wouldn't take the vaccine for a virus that's 99.7% recovery rate not to mention the medium to long term side effects. Like I said it's my opinion.

And if you can prove immunity - that is actually prove it, not just say you have it - you'll be fine, as the passport makes allowances for those who have immunity either through vaccination or previous infection, as well as those who can't take the vaccination for actual reasons that aren't 'I don't want Bill Gates reading my thoughts'.

I'll ask again, though: if you have the freedom to refuse the vaccine, which you do and which is right and just, what do you think to the idea that other people have the right to refuse you access to their shops, their pubs, their restaurants, their countries, and so on? I'm sure as someone who believes so strongly in freedom you extend that right to everyone, not just yourself?

 

[robbiez666]

Covid passports are the beginning of the end, the behavioural psychologists at SAGE have done a fantastic job instilling fear. One of them is Communist for the last 40yrs Susan Michie who blocks anyone with a different opinion to her. I had covid 17 months ago, yeah it wasnt nice I ended up at Hospital for tests and heart scan etc, i still have compromised smell and taste which is a bummer, but good news i still have antibodies after all this time,
The corrupt Government do not recognise natural immunity because there's no money in it, I won't be taking their "vaccine" even though it will cost me my job in the long run, I respect other peoples choices to uptake the jab but it's not for me. Also cases are high because we are testing on 40 cycles again instead of 25 cycles, corrupt. You can get this information from any Hospital under the freedom of information act.

I got as far as 'Communist' and stopped reading. Worth noting that the job of SAGE and science in general is to be risk averse. The job of government is to weigh up risks against benefits.

 

[robbiez666]

We are way past 5G. However the Lizards are attracted to the Pfizer scent.

Thank goodness I got the Poundland AZ vaccine.

 

[Oldun]

And if you can prove immunity - that is actually prove it, not just say you have it - you'll be fine, as the passport makes allowances for those who have immunity either through vaccination or previous infection, as well as those who can't take the vaccination for actual reasons that aren't 'I don't want Bill Gates reading my thoughts'.

I'll ask again, though: if you have the freedom to refuse the vaccine, which you do and which is right and just, what do you think to the idea that other people have the right to refuse you access to their shops, their pubs, their restaurants, their countries, and so on? I'm sure as someone who believes so strongly in freedom you extend that right to everyone, not just yourself?

And their hospitals?!?!?

 

[Harrisblade]

Yo have a link for that?

Meanwhile, for those aged 18 to 64, daily admissions are currently averaging 133.
This is the highest number for three months, up from a low of 42 in mid-May.
These numbers are still some way from a second-wave peak of 1,403, but represent a clear upwards trend.

Covid-19 patients on ventilators at highest level for more than two months

www.google.co.uk

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

OH GOD THE NUTCASES HAVE APPEARED.

May as well close the thread down before they start talking about 5G.

I'll add a fact because I suspect they may soon be thin on the ground. No one knows how long antibodies last but the current scientific thinking is at least 90 days. The thing with COVID is, people don't just get it the same. It depends how much of the virus you get. Get a little bit and the antibodies don't last as long as if you're infected with a large dose. That depends on the carrier and your exposure to the carrier(s).

If you've had COVID, your antibodies might last 3 months, or 6 months, or 9 months, or who know, but the important fact here is no one knows. If you simply rely on that you have no idea how long your 'immunity' lasts for (you're not necessarily immune).

It's not just about antibodies. Even if you have none in circulation, your T cells (from memory) can produce them if and when required (if it's made them before).

 

[Le Cynique]

And their hospitals?!?!?

Although to be fair that's a stickier wicket, as where do you draw the line? People pay into the NHS, and they don't refuse to treat alcoholics, drug addicts, smokers or fatsoes so I'm not sure that morally they could refuse to treat anti-vaxxers either.

 

[Oldun]

It's not just about antibodies. Even if you have none in circulation, your T cells (from memory) can produce them if and when required (if it's made them before).

The difference is that antibodies prevent infection whereas t-cells help fight infection once the infective process has started. So T cells are important in reducing symptoms and severity.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

The difference is that antibodies prevent infection whereas t-cells help fight infection once the infective process has started. So T cells are important in reducing symptoms and severity.

Maybe, but the antibodies aren't permanently resident in the blood, they are produced when needed.

 

[Oldun]

Maybe, but the antibodies aren't permanently resident in the blood, they are produced when needed.

They are both very similar. They are both produced by the body in response to an infection, and remain in your body for a certain length of time (t-cells remain for an average of 8 months post Covid). Once your body knows how to make the specific type of t-cell it can produce them more quickly in response to a repeat infection - immune memory.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

What about the free choice of an event organiser or a shop owner or a football club board to insist on vaccination?

I see a lot about this 'unethical' stance, 'forcing' people to have the vaccine. Surely freedom has to work both ways? If I had a shop - which given the behaviour of a lot of people I've seen in my local supermarkets over the past couple of years I'm very pleased to say I do not - I'd insist on mask-wearing unless exempt. even after Monday's change to the law. Anyone who chose not to do so could also choose to take their custom elsewhere. Similarly, if I was an owner of an attraction, pub or nightclub, I'd ask for proof of vaccination, natural immunity or exemption before I let people in. Once again, if they wanted to exercise their freedom of choice by not having the vaccine, they could exercise it elsewhere whilst I exercised my freedom of choice not to let the selfish cunts in.

Mask wearing, as of Monday, is no longer law. Youd be willing to ask people to do something they're not legally obliged to do? You might find yourself in hot water for that I'd imagine. And you'd call those people who hadn't had the vaccine selfish. Christ alive.

 

[Oldun]

Mask wearing, as of Monday, is no longer law. Youd be willing to ask people to do something they're not legally obliged to do? You might find yourself in hot water for that I'd imagine. And you'd call those people who hadn't had the vaccine selfish. Christ alive.

Any business has the right to refuse entry or service based on whatever rules they choose as long as they are not discriminatory. TFL have already said that passengers will have to wear masks. Hospitals will still require patients and visitors to wear masks. No hot water for either of those organisations. Christ alive.

 

[Le Cynique]

Mask wearing, as of Monday, is no longer law. Youd be willing to ask people to do something they're not legally obliged to do? You might find yourself in hot water for that I'd imagine. And you'd call those people who hadn't had the vaccine selfish. Christ alive.

Yes, I would, because I have the right to do that, just as people have the right to refuse vaccines or to wear masks.

People aren't legally obliged to wear a shirt whilst shopping but you'd better believe that if I had a shop and some stinky chav cunt came in with no top on I'd be telling him to get the fuck out too.

Freedom works both ways.

 

[Roygbiv]

Covid passports are the beginning of the end, the behavioural psychologists at SAGE have done a fantastic job instilling fear. One of them is Communist for the last 40yrs Susan Michie who blocks anyone with a different opinion to her. I had covid 17 months ago, yeah it wasnt nice I ended up at Hospital for tests and heart scan etc, i still have compromised smell and taste which is a bummer, but good news i still have antibodies after all this time,
The corrupt Government do not recognise natural immunity because there's no money in it, I won't be taking their "vaccine" even though it will cost me my job in the long run, I respect other peoples choices to uptake the jab but it's not for me. Also cases are high because we are testing on 40 cycles again instead of 25 cycles, corrupt. You can get this information from any Hospital under the freedom of information act.

Susan Michie isn't part of SAGE. She's part of Independent SAGE who were basically set up to challenge SAGE. Independent SAGE have no power or any involvement with the government.

 

[Harry's Game]

Susan Michie isn't part of SAGE. She's part of Independent SAGE who were basically set up to challenge SAGE. Independent SAGE have no power or any involvement with the government.

Stop bringing facts to an assumption fight…

 

[JayGreen17]

People who don’t WANT the vaccine and get seriously ill should be charged for healthcare, it’s absolutely their choice to do that but everyone else should not have to pay to support these decisions, the gov will need to set up infectious disease units across the country and these will be costly, but it’s something that is absolutely going to need to happen if a proportion of the public do not want the vaccine. Life cannot stop every time we get increase in cases, hospital cases and deaths.

 

[SUFC Guy]

Yo have a link for that?

That's rich coming from you brucie boy

 

[SUFC Guy]

York and Scarborough Hospitals are mainly double vaxxed patients.

That's because the majority of the population are vaccinated. 3 months back it would have been different and it would have been mainly unvaccinated in hospital.

Also, don't forget that a person over 80 who is fully vaccinated has the same immune system as an unvaccinated 50 year old.

Vaccines are not 100%, but they are pretty damn effective against covid otherwise we would still be locked down.

 

[Varkanoid]

That's interesting. Is there now some sort of dilution of covid? You had double strength whereas someone else only had a 1 part juice 6 parts water dilution of it? You're aware it affects everyone differently?

Full covid indeed.

Why do you think I said full covid, talking about hospital life threatning covid with severe sympoms instead I used the term full covid.

Course there are different levels of covid you even say so above ! Hence the term full covid, full on blown on covid.

What would you rather me say, Covid with a bit of headache symptoms, covid where you are bed ridden etc etc.

 

[Le Cynique]

People who don’t WANT the vaccine and get seriously ill should be charged for healthcare, it’s absolutely their choice to do that but everyone else should not have to pay to support these decisions, the gov will need to set up infectious disease units across the country and these will be costly, but it’s something that is absolutely going to need to happen if a proportion of the public do not want the vaccine. Life cannot stop every time we get increase in cases, hospital cases and deaths.

Where do you stop? Charging the obese, smokers, people who drink, drug addicts for their care too?

 

[INTAKE BLADE]

I got as far as 'Communist' and stopped reading. Worth noting that the job of SAGE and science in general is to be risk averse. The job of government is to weigh up risks against benefits.

Susan Michie isn't part of SAGE. She's part of Independent SAGE who were basically set up to challenge SAGE. Independent SAGE have no power or any involvement with the government.

I'm sure she is part of both groups.

 

[MobileBlade]

Where do you stop? Charging the obese, smokers, people who drink, drug addicts for their care too?

How much would it cost. Asking for a friend.

 

[robbiez666]

I'm sure she is part of both groups.

She is a member of SAGE and the Communist Party. I don't see what difference being a member of the Communist Party makes to someone's ability to do science?

 

[Roygbiv]

I'm sure she is part of both groups.

If she is then she's having little effect as she has complained about every single thing the government have done since day one.