Jack O'Connell

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mattbianco1 said:
He's played CB multiple times in his career, and he's shown he can carry the ball out from the back. Right footed maybe, but a better option than Stevens or Robinson.

There's no way Jagielka can play RCB or LCB. He's not going to go overlapping is he.
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Jags would overlap...

Twice, once well, once so so, and then he'd be blowing out his arse.
 

Let’s hope that when Jack O’Connell returns that, 1) he is not too impaired and 2) that it is not too late in the day. He is absolutely essential to our success. He was my player of the season last year and is such a big miss. Our job from now until his return is to stay ‘in touch’ with mid-table & form some new partnerships that may lack the sprinkling of “magic”, but are galvanised through teamwork & belief. They’re an outstanding group of lads, who left it all out there and put bodies on the line throughout last season. Let’s hope they can find that spirit once again and then roll on February!
 
Ok I make it 10 games O'Connell has missed since the start of last season, Man Utd, Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man City, Southampton, Aston Villa, Leeds, Fulham.
As you can see the big 6 in the 10 games does not give a fair reflection of the statistics.
 
mattbianco1 said:
Imagine that .... 🤣🤣🤣
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What a brilliant marauding performance that was from him. A great outlet you'd have never known he was right footed we looked so assured on that left hand side with him and Lowe. Thank god he wasn't outmuscled by Haller and Bowen within the first 20 mins.

One decent block inside the six yard box was his only real contribution. We are going to ruin him as a player if we play him out of position. I agree he is technically a gifted lad with great potential but not as a left centre back.
 
Getting JOC back is almost as important as selecting the right manager as far as I'm concerned. Get him back fit for next season is the key to our future success. However, it sounds as though he's had a couple of setbacks, which doesn't sound too good.
 
I don't think it should be underestimated how much we've missed this guy.
People can talk about how we should have replaced him for this season but it seemed like he was gonna be fit for the season given he played Vs wolves.

Wilder identified a few targets to come in before the September window shut, was told couldn't have them. Obv. same in Jan for any targets.

There's a worry he just won't return anything like the same too.... Hopefully he will
 
CPB said:
I don't think it should be underestimated how much we've missed this guy.
People can talk about how we should have replaced him for this season but it seemed like he was gonna be fit for the season given he played Vs wolves.

Wilder identified a few targets to come in before the September window shut, was told couldn't have them. Obv. same in Jan for any targets.

There's a worry he just won't return anything like the same too.... Hopefully he will
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I just hope that he returns to playing professional football for a few years. If with us that’s great, but his recovery is more important for him than us.
 
CPD Wilder had already signed back up for JOC....Robinson....he shd never have been signed if he wasn't good enough.

That would have been why the board refused to sanction another signing...along with all the other left sided players on the books
 

Is there any real concern he won't come back? Is that coming from somewhere? I would be gutted for him. what a class player / man.
 
CPB said:
I don't think it should be underestimated how much we've missed this guy.
People can talk about how we should have replaced him for this season but it seemed like he was gonna be fit for the season given he played Vs wolves.

Wilder identified a few targets to come in before the September window shut, was told couldn't have them. Obv. same in Jan for any targets.

There's a worry he just won't return anything like the same too.... Hopefully he will
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Where have you heard that Wilder had identified JOC replacements and was told he could mot have them?
As someone previously Stated he brought in Robinson and subsequent to that had money to spend but he chose Brewster to spend most of the season sat on the bench.
Money was available and I am Sure could have been used for a loan to cover but Wilder chose to prioritise in different areas.
Some peoples fixation that Wilder was refused money to strengthen is just not true!

JOC missed matches at the end of last season but our medical staff got it wrong as they thought he had recovered for the new season. Errrr wrong!!!
It appears that they subsequently paid for it with their jobs
 
This season at best Liverpool could end up 30 points worse off than last season

At worse we could end up 37 points worse off than last season.

Liverpool may point to lack of fans and the loss of their centre back Van Dyk as the main reasons for their demise this year.

It's been well documented even by many neutral observers that we have missed the backing of our fans.

More importantly, our fall from grace is due to the loss of our most influential centre back at both ends of the pitch, Jack O'Connell.
 
bornablade said:
This season at best Liverpool could end up 30 points worse off than last season

At worse we could end up 37 points worse off than last season.

Liverpool may point to lack of fans and the loss of their centre back Van Dyk as the main reasons for their demise this year.

It's been well documented even by many neutral observers that we have missed the backing of our fans.

More importantly, our fall from grace is due to the loss of our most influential centre back at both ends of the pitch, Jack O'Connell.
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I don't know, I pretty much remember Liverpool having to play 2 CMs at CB as every single senior CB on their books was injured. But you know, fans...
 
bertieblade said:
Where have you heard that Wilder had identified JOC replacements and was told he could mot have them?
As someone previously Stated he brought in Robinson and subsequent to that had money to spend but he chose Brewster to spend most of the season sat on the bench.
Money was available and I am Sure could have been used for a loan to cover but Wilder chose to prioritise in different areas.
Some peoples fixation that Wilder was refused money to strengthen is just not true!

JOC missed matches at the end of last season but our medical staff got it wrong as they thought he had recovered for the new season. Errrr wrong!!!
It appears that they subsequently paid for it with their jobs
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I asked the same question and was pointed to an article In which Wilder said the following:

"I've spoken to the owners, as obviously we've known this for two or three days and we need to bring someone in in that position. We are light and can't solely rely on Jack Robinson playing that position all the way through."

"I've highlighted a couple of players and hopefully the board will agree with my assessment that we need to strengthen."

That doesn't answer the "was he told he couldn't?" question, but we were definitely sniffing round at a few players.

Article here
 
If that was the case then money was available subsequent to that statement, but you can only spend it once and Wilder chose Brewster.
Why when we chose to leave him On the bench and we had a number of strikers and minimal cover in midfield and Centre defence I know not and obviously from our owners point of view he had not got a clue either
 
Stuart Davis said:
Is there any real concern he won't come back? Is that coming from somewhere? I would be gutted for him. what a class player / man.
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I was worrying purely because he didn’t look right for a while yet they clearly didn’t want to operate, which suggested outcomes from this situation were sketchy.

Plus it’s us, and things were going too well.
 
bertieblade said:
If that was the case then money was available subsequent to that statement, but you can only spend it once and Wilder chose Brewster.
Why when we chose to leave him On the bench and we had a number of strikers and minimal cover in midfield and Centre defence I know not and obviously from our owners point of view he had not got a clue either
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Cos the likes of you knew all this without looking at it in retrospect like you have. If only he'd borrowed your crystal ball
 
Did not need a crystal ball to know that we had lots of keepers, LWB and strikers but no cover for JOC and minimal Midfield players.
according to the quoted article Wilder knew we needed additional cover but still bought Brewster to sit on the bench and Lowes fee could have contributed to a loan.
yes it is easy to be critical but Wilder scored an own goal with his transfer dealings and squad makeup last season.
I supported him in numerous arguments with friends but eventually gave up as the evidence was overwhelming.
 
I’ll share what I was told from another pro at another club who has good links to united.

I’ve shared this on another thread.. don’t think it was this one..

Jack was told to have an op and take 2 years out or retire. Simple as that.

there is potential stem cell treatment but that is unproven.

was also told this copied and pasted”

“apparently if you’re not available for 18 month for selection club can cut your wage -25% so that plus -50% coming down this season means could be on 25% of salary 👀”
 
Noticed he’s not been to active on social either and not shared any posts of him training since December?
 
Cheers for the heads up If that is the case I feel for the guy but why don’t the club tell the fans and why was he played at the end of last season. Our medical team have some serious questions to answer and it appears they have paid with their jobs.
let’s hope that we have decent insurance cover in place
 
Scarebus said:
I asked the same question and was pointed to an article In which Wilder said the following:

"I've spoken to the owners, as obviously we've known this for two or three days and we need to bring someone in in that position. We are light and can't solely rely on Jack Robinson playing that position all the way through."

"I've highlighted a couple of players and hopefully the board will agree with my assessment that we need to strengthen."

That doesn't answer the "was he told he couldn't?" question, but we were definitely sniffing round at a few players.

Article here
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This is correct. Essentially he was told no more signings at this time after Brewster.
We didn't know Brewster would pan out this way either and needed both a new striker and a better fill in for joc
 

We knew we needed a replacement for JOC and midfield players before signing Brewster. Despite what you and Wilder think / thought The owners did not have a bottomless pit a budget was agreed and Wilder did not make the best of it. If he had the squad would have been better balanced and we would have had more of the new signings featuring in the first team. Wilder did not play Brewster as he said he needed more time to bed into the squad and the system whilst getting ready for premiership football. Wilder must have expected that he is a young guy with minimal experience
 
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